Comments on: Siegman on What Hamas Wants http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 20:06:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: anonymous http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75708 anonymous Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75708 <p>Israel will never go back to the '67 borders. With the '67 borders, Israel cannot insure its security. Israel was vulnerable in '67 because of the exposure from the borders at the time. Why would the country retreat to those borders and expose it self to attacks again?</p> <p>Why would "Palestinian" refugees want to return to Israel after they are given a country of their own? Why should they be allowed to?</p> <p>"Palestinian" refugees should be compensated for the land that was taken from them in 1948. Thirty billion dollars in compensation was offered in 2000. Arafat walked away from the deal without a counter-offer.</p> <p>The "Palestinians" are screwed by their leadership, just like the Romanians were screwed by Ceausceau and the Russians were screwed by Stalin. They are lucky to live next to the the most peaceful, Democratic and prosperous nation in the Middle East. Hopefully, the Palestinians will rise up against their "leadership" and allow peace and prosperity to flourish.</p> <p>Fortunately, the world is slowly understanding this reality and support for Israel is growing, while support for the "Palestinian Leadership" is falling.</p> Israel will never go back to the '67 borders. With the '67 borders, Israel cannot insure its security. Israel was vulnerable in '67 because of the exposure from the borders at the time. Why would the country retreat to those borders and expose it self to attacks again?

Why would "Palestinian" refugees want to return to Israel after they are given a country of their own? Why should they be allowed to?

"Palestinian" refugees should be compensated for the land that was taken from them in 1948. Thirty billion dollars in compensation was offered in 2000. Arafat walked away from the deal without a counter-offer.

The "Palestinians" are screwed by their leadership, just like the Romanians were screwed by Ceausceau and the Russians were screwed by Stalin. They are lucky to live next to the the most peaceful, Democratic and prosperous nation in the Middle East. Hopefully, the Palestinians will rise up against their "leadership" and allow peace and prosperity to flourish.

Fortunately, the world is slowly understanding this reality and support for Israel is growing, while support for the "Palestinian Leadership" is falling.

]]> By: anonymous http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75709 anonymous Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75709 <p>Maybe there's hope for the "Palestinian" people:</p> <p>Nasser al-Kidwa, the former Fatah foreign minister and nephew of the late Yasir Arafat, said today "The Israelis are trying to send a message, of course, but what's really at stake is the continuation of the existence of the Palestinian Authority."</p> Maybe there's hope for the "Palestinian" people:

Nasser al-Kidwa, the former Fatah foreign minister and nephew of the late Yasir Arafat, said today "The Israelis are trying to send a message, of course, but what's really at stake is the continuation of the existence of the Palestinian Authority."

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75710 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75710 <p>Presumably this is Joey again - note the word "prosperous" in the otherwise completely false statement 'The "Palestinians" ... are lucky to live next to the the most peaceful, Democratic and prosperous nation in the Middle East.' (why on earth is the 'D' in 'Democratic' capitalised here?)</p> <p>In fact, precisely because obviously the 'Israelis' will never go back to the '67 border, any Hamas declaration to abide by mutual recognition of this border would itself be completely meaningless and in a sense dishonest, which is why they resist making it - they prize honesty, unlike Jews.</p> Presumably this is Joey again – note the word "prosperous" in the otherwise completely false statement 'The "Palestinians" … are lucky to live next to the the most peaceful, Democratic and prosperous nation in the Middle East.' (why on earth is the 'D' in 'Democratic' capitalised here?)

In fact, precisely because obviously the 'Israelis' will never go back to the '67 border, any Hamas declaration to abide by mutual recognition of this border would itself be completely meaningless and in a sense dishonest, which is why they resist making it – they prize honesty, unlike Jews.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75711 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75711 <p>-- regarding which : there has never been a George Washington type ideal in Jewish education ("I cannot tell a lie") and there never will be. Instead there is mutual polemic ("Thou art the man!") and empty hysterical utopianism ("Let righteousness poor down like floods and justice like a mighty river!"). This also will never change. Jews are Jews, and facts (as Benjamin Freedman noted) are facts.</p> – regarding which : there has never been a George Washington type ideal in Jewish education ("I cannot tell a lie") and there never will be. Instead there is mutual polemic ("Thou art the man!") and empty hysterical utopianism ("Let righteousness poor down like floods and justice like a mighty river!"). This also will never change. Jews are Jews, and facts (as Benjamin Freedman noted) are facts.

]]> By: jimmy http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75712 jimmy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75712 <p>I always get the idea that the only plan the Israeli Right and Jewish Right have is to wait until the Palistinians go away. Of course the Palistinians are a huge problem, and they are not pleasant neighbors. But I have never understood what Israel thought they would do with all these non-israeli people who came with the land. </p> <p>Its not the taking of the land that was the original sin, it was the refusal to take the people too. </p> <p>and how do all the non-jewish citizens feel about living in a state by and for the Jewish people? must feel kind of creepy being an arab israeli.</p> I always get the idea that the only plan the Israeli Right and Jewish Right have is to wait until the Palistinians go away. Of course the Palistinians are a huge problem, and they are not pleasant neighbors. But I have never understood what Israel thought they would do with all these non-israeli people who came with the land.

Its not the taking of the land that was the original sin, it was the refusal to take the people too.

and how do all the non-jewish citizens feel about living in a state by and for the Jewish people? must feel kind of creepy being an arab israeli.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2006/06/siegman_on_what.html/comment-page-1#comment-75713 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2006/06/29/siegman_on_what.html#comment-75713 <p>"must feel kind of creepy being an arab israeli"</p> <p>-- god, that's perceptive :-)</p> "must feel kind of creepy being an arab israeli"

– god, that's perceptive :-)

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