Comments on: Forgiving Elie Wiesel, Somewhat, on His Opposition to Gypsies in Holocaust Museum http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 20:25:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Klaus Bloemker http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73866 Klaus Bloemker Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73866 <p>Wasn't there also opposition to the Armenian genocide being included in the Holocaust museum? Turkey is in a way a friend of Israel so Israel and its US lobby didn't want to embarrass Turkey with the Armenian question.<br /> Generally speaking, I always found the very establishment of a "United States Holocaust Museum" strange (isn't that the official name?), because both the Armenian and the Jewish and Gypsy genocides were crimes of other nations. <br /> <br /> Klaus<br /> Frankfurt, Germany</p> Wasn't there also opposition to the Armenian genocide being included in the Holocaust museum? Turkey is in a way a friend of Israel so Israel and its US lobby didn't want to embarrass Turkey with the Armenian question.
Generally speaking, I always found the very establishment of a "United States Holocaust Museum" strange (isn't that the official name?), because both the Armenian and the Jewish and Gypsy genocides were crimes of other nations.

Klaus
Frankfurt, Germany

]]> By: Bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73867 Bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73867 <p>Klaus, I still think your an ant-semitic asshole but hell hath froze over, because I actually agree with you on this one. The holocaust museums should be centered in two places Germany and israel, with satellites in every country that collaberated in it. I never though it belonged in Washington, it should be in Berlin with mandatory visits from every school between Cherbourg on the west, trondheim in the north, Moscow on the east, and soloinika on the south. Last but not least, the Arabs, because they were collaberators and would have been enthusiastic participants if given the oppotunity</p> Klaus, I still think your an ant-semitic asshole but hell hath froze over, because I actually agree with you on this one. The holocaust museums should be centered in two places Germany and israel, with satellites in every country that collaberated in it. I never though it belonged in Washington, it should be in Berlin with mandatory visits from every school between Cherbourg on the west, trondheim in the north, Moscow on the east, and soloinika on the south. Last but not least, the Arabs, because they were collaberators and would have been enthusiastic participants if given the oppotunity

]]> By: the wise king http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73868 the wise king Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73868 <p>who the hell is little phil weiss to "excuse" anyone?, especially elie wiesel.</p> <p>this is just another example of the glaring malignant narcissism on the part of our ugly apostate blogger host.</p> who the hell is little phil weiss to "excuse" anyone?, especially elie wiesel.

this is just another example of the glaring malignant narcissism on the part of our ugly apostate blogger host.

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73869 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73869 <p>book:"pink triangle"</p> book:"pink triangle"

]]> By: Isaac Isaacs http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73870 Isaac Isaacs Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73870 <p>I think we all have examples in life where a minority person has behaved badly, even reinforcing a stereotype, and where we have yielded to a temptation to condemn that entire group. In the case of Wiesel, however, I can't help recalling Norman Finkelstein's unflattering expose of him and his mission (for example in "The Holocaust Industry"). So forgive me if I don't join you in excusing him, who is about as representative of my race as that Roma was of his.</p> I think we all have examples in life where a minority person has behaved badly, even reinforcing a stereotype, and where we have yielded to a temptation to condemn that entire group. In the case of Wiesel, however, I can't help recalling Norman Finkelstein's unflattering expose of him and his mission (for example in "The Holocaust Industry"). So forgive me if I don't join you in excusing him, who is about as representative of my race as that Roma was of his.

]]> By: Bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73871 Bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73871 <p>Isaac, Norm Finkelstein is a truly sick person and I would question everything that he says about himself.</p> Isaac, Norm Finkelstein is a truly sick person and I would question everything that he says about himself.

]]> By: trouvere http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73872 trouvere Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73872 <p>Not many people know that Weisel was actually an Israeli citizen for a brief period after the War. In fact he was employed by the Irgun as a writer at the time of the Deir Yassin massacre. However, shortly thereafter he chose to launch a career in the United States as a "homeless victim." So successful was he in adopting this new persona that he apparently forgot all about Deir Yassin--he has never spoken out about it to this day.</p> <p>Phil should be a little more critical in his reading: when it first came out in the 1950s, Weisel's book "Night" was originally classified (by its publisher) as fiction, and described by reviewers as a novel. It was only last year that, by a stroke of amazing coincidence, major online booksellers all quietly changed its classification to "nonfiction."</p> <p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181986,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181986,00.html</a></p> Not many people know that Weisel was actually an Israeli citizen for a brief period after the War. In fact he was employed by the Irgun as a writer at the time of the Deir Yassin massacre. However, shortly thereafter he chose to launch a career in the United States as a "homeless victim." So successful was he in adopting this new persona that he apparently forgot all about Deir Yassin–he has never spoken out about it to this day.

Phil should be a little more critical in his reading: when it first came out in the 1950s, Weisel's book "Night" was originally classified (by its publisher) as fiction, and described by reviewers as a novel. It was only last year that, by a stroke of amazing coincidence, major online booksellers all quietly changed its classification to "nonfiction."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181986,00.html

]]> By: bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73873 bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73873 <p>Trouvere:<br /> Elie Weisel lasted through a year in a concentration camp. What have you ever done in your sad little life. Other than in engaging in pedophilia</p> Trouvere:
Elie Weisel lasted through a year in a concentration camp. What have you ever done in your sad little life. Other than in engaging in pedophilia

]]> By: rossignol http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73874 rossignol Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73874 <p>to Pearlman, wise king, and other ignorant trolls - what have YOU ever done in YOUR sad lives except find ways to malign intelligent writers without EVER contributing a single fact as basis for your contrary opinions?</p> to Pearlman, wise king, and other ignorant trolls – what have YOU ever done in YOUR sad lives except find ways to malign intelligent writers without EVER contributing a single fact as basis for your contrary opinions?

]]> By: Tina http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/forgiving_elie_.html/comment-page-1#comment-73875 Tina Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/02/forgiving_elie_.html#comment-73875 <p>Dear Phil - thank you for your excellent blogposts as always. I must say I second Isaac's opinion - one can understand and even forgive Wiesel's general prejudice against the Roma based on his horrible experience, but not to the extent of a ban on the memory of hundreds of thousands of innocents who had nothing to do with these collaborators.</p> Dear Phil – thank you for your excellent blogposts as always. I must say I second Isaac's opinion – one can understand and even forgive Wiesel's general prejudice against the Roma based on his horrible experience, but not to the extent of a ban on the memory of hundreds of thousands of innocents who had nothing to do with these collaborators.

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