Comments on: Walt and Mearsheimer Rebut (and Humble) Their Critics http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:08:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73738 bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73738 <p>Not often that you see such wide eyed hero worship in anybody over the age of 12. If I didn't know that Phil was married I would think he really has a "thing" for these guys. Anyway, good to know that Phil is no longer hamstrung has he goes about his IMPORTANT work.</p> Not often that you see such wide eyed hero worship in anybody over the age of 12. If I didn't know that Phil was married I would think he really has a "thing" for these guys. Anyway, good to know that Phil is no longer hamstrung has he goes about his IMPORTANT work.

]]> By: LanceThruster http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73739 LanceThruster Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73739 <p>BP - Though I am loathe to address you directly as it is about as productive as trying to teach a pig to sing*, I will say that I agree with the tone of the piece as it shows why these men are considered "champions" by those who read and comprehend their works.</p> <p>I think your envy comes from the realization that only those slightly less feeble-minded than yourself would ever consider you as a champion of anything. </p> <p><br /> * "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." ~ Robert Heinlein</p> BP – Though I am loathe to address you directly as it is about as productive as trying to teach a pig to sing*, I will say that I agree with the tone of the piece as it shows why these men are considered "champions" by those who read and comprehend their works.

I think your envy comes from the realization that only those slightly less feeble-minded than yourself would ever consider you as a champion of anything.

* "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." ~ Robert Heinlein

]]> By: Jaquito Gordone http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73740 Jaquito Gordone Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73740 <p>How do these two eminent people with so much going for them in their writings get new-found respect for their openly supportive position for Arab causes at the expense of the so-called "israel lobby"?</p> <p>Having read and reread their March 2006 article, I cannot come to any other conclusion that they are anything but one-sided in their Arab love affair.</p> How do these two eminent people with so much going for them in their writings get new-found respect for their openly supportive position for Arab causes at the expense of the so-called "israel lobby"?

Having read and reread their March 2006 article, I cannot come to any other conclusion that they are anything but one-sided in their Arab love affair.

]]> By: KoboldBlew http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73741 KoboldBlew Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73741 <p>Zen Koan</p> <p>Master to Grasshopper:<br /> What is the sound of a mind hermetically sealed shut?</p> <p>Grasshopper to Master:<br /> I can't hear you, Master,<br /> Bill Pearlman's got his mouth open again.</p> <p>Master to Grasshopper:<br /> Excellent, my child. You are near to Enlightenment.</p> <p>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p> <p>Later the Grasshopper sheepishly approached the Master as he was serving tea.</p> <p>Grasshopper to Master:<br /> Master, how can I be near to Enlightenment when I don't even understand what you said I said? </p> <p>Master to Grasshopper:<br /> The more closed the mind, the more open the mouth.</p> <p>The Bill Pearlmans of this world are sent to us as a test.</p> <p>The Bill Pearlmans of this world fill the air with hogswallow to distract you from hearing the truth. They themselves have no part of truth, or logic, or evidence, or rational discourse, or even good old horse sense; for if they did, they wouldn't shout and scream and call names and stand on their heads and drop their pants, and play with their feces, and do anything else they can think of, because by their efforts of distraction, diversion, and calumny, all they will attract is fools. They are, in fact, a magnet for fools, and they will eventually gather enough fools around them so that they and the fools will all be sucked into the great black hole that is the reward for willful ignorance.</p> <p>The beginning of wisdom is to know that wisdom and truth cannot be found in the presence of men who think that everyone who disagrees with them is an anti-Semite worthy of villification or a self-hating Jew. </p> <p>And so, Grasshopper, because you recognized that you could not hear the truth when the Bill Pearlmans of the world were speaking, it is a sure and certain sign that you are on your way to Enlightenment.</p> Zen Koan

Master to Grasshopper:
What is the sound of a mind hermetically sealed shut?

Grasshopper to Master:
I can't hear you, Master,
Bill Pearlman's got his mouth open again.

Master to Grasshopper:
Excellent, my child. You are near to Enlightenment.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Later the Grasshopper sheepishly approached the Master as he was serving tea.

Grasshopper to Master:
Master, how can I be near to Enlightenment when I don't even understand what you said I said?

Master to Grasshopper:
The more closed the mind, the more open the mouth.

The Bill Pearlmans of this world are sent to us as a test.

The Bill Pearlmans of this world fill the air with hogswallow to distract you from hearing the truth. They themselves have no part of truth, or logic, or evidence, or rational discourse, or even good old horse sense; for if they did, they wouldn't shout and scream and call names and stand on their heads and drop their pants, and play with their feces, and do anything else they can think of, because by their efforts of distraction, diversion, and calumny, all they will attract is fools. They are, in fact, a magnet for fools, and they will eventually gather enough fools around them so that they and the fools will all be sucked into the great black hole that is the reward for willful ignorance.

The beginning of wisdom is to know that wisdom and truth cannot be found in the presence of men who think that everyone who disagrees with them is an anti-Semite worthy of villification or a self-hating Jew.

And so, Grasshopper, because you recognized that you could not hear the truth when the Bill Pearlmans of the world were speaking, it is a sure and certain sign that you are on your way to Enlightenment.

]]> By: face splat http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73742 face splat Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73742 <p>Constrained by "the Lobby" for years Phil? Maybe you're just a mediocre wanker and irrelevant. Ever consider that Phil? I suggest that "the Lobby" will be constraining Phil Weiss for as long as lives. There is only one way out Phil. You know it. It's the sport of chumps: suicide. But better get it right the first time Phil, cause nothing's worse than a failed suicide jump. Ha Ha Ha HA</p> Constrained by "the Lobby" for years Phil? Maybe you're just a mediocre wanker and irrelevant. Ever consider that Phil? I suggest that "the Lobby" will be constraining Phil Weiss for as long as lives. There is only one way out Phil. You know it. It's the sport of chumps: suicide. But better get it right the first time Phil, cause nothing's worse than a failed suicide jump. Ha Ha Ha HA

]]> By: Deborah http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73743 Deborah Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73743 <p><i>Constrained by "the Lobby" for years Phil? Maybe you're just a mediocre wanker and irrelevant. Ever consider that Phil? I suggest that "the Lobby" will be constraining Phil Weiss for as long as lives. There is only one way out Phil. You know it. It's the sport of chumps: suicide. But better get it right the first time Phil, cause nothing's worse than a failed suicide jump. Ha Ha Ha HA</i></p> <p>Do you have any idea how sick you sound to those of us who don't really take sides, except against those who do?</p> Constrained by "the Lobby" for years Phil? Maybe you're just a mediocre wanker and irrelevant. Ever consider that Phil? I suggest that "the Lobby" will be constraining Phil Weiss for as long as lives. There is only one way out Phil. You know it. It's the sport of chumps: suicide. But better get it right the first time Phil, cause nothing's worse than a failed suicide jump. Ha Ha Ha HA

Do you have any idea how sick you sound to those of us who don't really take sides, except against those who do?

]]> By: Gene Machina http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73744 Gene Machina Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73744 <p>Phis is right. Mearsheimer and Walt have done this country a tremendous service by making it possible for the rest of us to talk about the elephant in the living room--Israel's stranglehold on America's mideast policy. Future generations will remember their paper as today we remember Patrick Henry's "give me liberty or give me death" speech or Franklin Roosevelt's response to the attack or Pearl Harbor. Someone who knows how such things are done should nominate them for the Nobel Prize.</p> Phis is right. Mearsheimer and Walt have done this country a tremendous service by making it possible for the rest of us to talk about the elephant in the living room–Israel's stranglehold on America's mideast policy. Future generations will remember their paper as today we remember Patrick Henry's "give me liberty or give me death" speech or Franklin Roosevelt's response to the attack or Pearl Harbor. Someone who knows how such things are done should nominate them for the Nobel Prize.

]]> By: bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73745 bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73745 <p>Gene, a little over the top, don't you think. Just a little, although I know you think that their doing I believe the quote was "doing the lords work" finishing up that his blood will be on them and their ancestors thing I suppose.<br /> <br /> Kobold:<br /> I have to give you points for creativity. Always was one of my favorite shows.</p> Gene, a little over the top, don't you think. Just a little, although I know you think that their doing I believe the quote was "doing the lords work" finishing up that his blood will be on them and their ancestors thing I suppose.

Kobold:
I have to give you points for creativity. Always was one of my favorite shows.

]]> By: LanceThruster http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73746 LanceThruster Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73746 <p>I hear the Master is indeed wise. </p> <p>And see that the elephant in the room is indeed large. </p> <p>And know that the gems of the Pearl-man, without luster and prized not, suitable for neither adornment nor currency, are scattered by his hot wind blowing from an empty cave surrounded by a fetid swamp.</p> <p>His purpose seems but to make truth as an oasis, universalism as a beautiful and sustaining garden, and justice as a distant but abundant island on a perilous ocean, coming not without considerable effort and sacrifice, making it truly a prize of great honor and undeniable correctness to be won.</p> <p>Master,I give my most sincere and humble thanks to the Pearl-man.</p> I hear the Master is indeed wise.

And see that the elephant in the room is indeed large.

And know that the gems of the Pearl-man, without luster and prized not, suitable for neither adornment nor currency, are scattered by his hot wind blowing from an empty cave surrounded by a fetid swamp.

His purpose seems but to make truth as an oasis, universalism as a beautiful and sustaining garden, and justice as a distant but abundant island on a perilous ocean, coming not without considerable effort and sacrifice, making it truly a prize of great honor and undeniable correctness to be won.

Master,I give my most sincere and humble thanks to the Pearl-man.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2007/01/walt_and_mearsh.html/comment-page-1#comment-73747 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/09/walt_and_mearsh.html#comment-73747 <p>All this is a bit previous, as the illogical but charming English expression as it. The document has not yet been submitted to us for our views.</p> All this is a bit previous, as the illogical but charming English expression as it. The document has not yet been submitted to us for our views.

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