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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/05/walzer_speaks_m.html/comment-page-1#comment-72364</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s **Kahal** Philip,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;as I remember it (Wikipedia needs experts on this term) it has to do with Russian or Polish Jewish communities, and yes it had to do with the self-government compared to  &quot;native&quot; citizen. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reminds me I wanted to study the Russian and Polish history more closely since I had the the impression that the self-government, or the legal realities of the kahals - e.g. that taxes had to be paid for the whole community rather than by the single Jewish citizen - gave rise to a some really peculiar anti-semitic myth. Myth that lead into the mental-protocol-universe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This might interest you:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n09/butl02_.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s **Kahal** Philip,</p>
<p>as I remember it (Wikipedia needs experts on this term) it has to do with Russian or Polish Jewish communities, and yes it had to do with the self-government compared to  &quot;native&quot; citizen. </p>
<p>Reminds me I wanted to study the Russian and Polish history more closely since I had the the impression that the self-government, or the legal realities of the kahals &#8211; e.g. that taxes had to be paid for the whole community rather than by the single Jewish citizen &#8211; gave rise to a some really peculiar anti-semitic myth. Myth that lead into the mental-protocol-universe.</p>
<p>This might interest you:<br />
<a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n09/butl02_.html/p">link to lrb.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/05/walzer_speaks_m.html/comment-page-1#comment-72365</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two comments: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In the state of Israel, we have accepted responsibility for other people.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If he is referring to the Palestinians (which I am not certain of),  that is a very odd way of putting it. I think the problem is that Israel has not accepted responsibility. The Likudniks who came to power in 1977 with the old dream of a Jewish state from the Mediterranean to the Jordan accepted responsibility for the land but didn&#039;t care a wit about the people living there. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To say that Jewish survival over 2,000 years is a credit to Jewish political acumen is wacko. What about the religion?  Most of us are only a few generations away from the shtetl, where our grandparents or great grandparents were orthodox Jews living in poverty and political privation  that most of us could not even imagine. What sustained them was their faith. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phil, as a self-described assimilationist, what will an assimilated Jew look like two generations from now? What will define your great grandchilden as Jews? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments: </p>
<p>&quot;In the state of Israel, we have accepted responsibility for other people.&quot;</p>
<p>If he is referring to the Palestinians (which I am not certain of),  that is a very odd way of putting it. I think the problem is that Israel has not accepted responsibility. The Likudniks who came to power in 1977 with the old dream of a Jewish state from the Mediterranean to the Jordan accepted responsibility for the land but didn&#39;t care a wit about the people living there. </p>
<p>To say that Jewish survival over 2,000 years is a credit to Jewish political acumen is wacko. What about the religion?  Most of us are only a few generations away from the shtetl, where our grandparents or great grandparents were orthodox Jews living in poverty and political privation  that most of us could not even imagine. What sustained them was their faith. </p>
<p>Phil, as a self-described assimilationist, what will an assimilated Jew look like two generations from now? What will define your great grandchilden as Jews? </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/05/walzer_speaks_m.html/comment-page-1#comment-72366</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can (and will) one that is assimilated assume more responsibility than one that is self-identified?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can (and will) one that is assimilated assume more responsibility than one that is self-identified?</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, once again you have been suckered by romantic flim flam.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, once again you have been suckered by romantic flim flam.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/05/walzer_speaks_m.html/comment-page-1#comment-72368</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My repeated close observation of jews who teach, preach, etc., as experienced during my various conversion and language learning projects, suggests to me that the really unusual thing about them is that they believe their own propaganda. There is no sense of truth versus lying in jewish culture. Lying is not even a crime in jewish ethics. This, what to us would be impossible because of our logically constructed morality (you can&#039;t force yourself to believe something you know you just made up) is possible for them because the logical-moral categories I just mentioned as being true for us do not exist for them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My repeated close observation of jews who teach, preach, etc., as experienced during my various conversion and language learning projects, suggests to me that the really unusual thing about them is that they believe their own propaganda. There is no sense of truth versus lying in jewish culture. Lying is not even a crime in jewish ethics. This, what to us would be impossible because of our logically constructed morality (you can&#39;t force yourself to believe something you know you just made up) is possible for them because the logical-moral categories I just mentioned as being true for us do not exist for them.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The question of why Jews might be so bad at politics -- not in the PR sense that Wisse meant it but in the sense of responsibly wielding power -- is an interesting one. It may turn out that high verbal IQ is just not particularly relevant to political reasoning. Or it may be that their burden of ethnic grievances just overwhelms the capacity for dispassionate analysis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But Walzer is wrong: there is an historical record of Jews holding great political power -- Bolshevik Russia, Weimar Germany, post-war U.S.A., Russia under the oligarchs -- and it hasn&#039;t been flattering.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jewish contribution to culture has been considerable, but in the real of politics it&#039;s been a disaster.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of why Jews might be so bad at politics &#8212; not in the PR sense that Wisse meant it but in the sense of responsibly wielding power &#8212; is an interesting one. It may turn out that high verbal IQ is just not particularly relevant to political reasoning. Or it may be that their burden of ethnic grievances just overwhelms the capacity for dispassionate analysis.</p>
<p>But Walzer is wrong: there is an historical record of Jews holding great political power &#8212; Bolshevik Russia, Weimar Germany, post-war U.S.A., Russia under the oligarchs &#8212; and it hasn&#39;t been flattering.</p>
<p>Jewish contribution to culture has been considerable, but in the real of politics it&#39;s been a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And of course the purest example of undisguised Jewish power, Palestine.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course the purest example of undisguised Jewish power, Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: rykart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rykart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Imagine if the Nazis had convinced the world they were the victim!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d say that would take considerable political skill. The Israelis have political skill in spades.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(They need to be wiped out.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if the Nazis had convinced the world they were the victim!</p>
<p>I&#39;d say that would take considerable political skill. The Israelis have political skill in spades.</p>
<p>(They need to be wiped out.)</p>
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