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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are anti-Zionist because your home is in the US?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t get the logic of that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The significance of being part of the Jewish community is not a contradiction with being a citizen of any state.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The concept of &quot;dual-loyalty&quot; is false. Irish Americans are loyal to Ireland, as they are citizens of the US.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Palestinian Americans are loyal to Palestine, as they are simultaneously citizens of the US.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What does &quot;loyalty&quot; mean? Are you truly &quot;loyal&quot; to the US, in all the meanings that some judge of you could derive from that term?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are anti-Zionist because your home is in the US?</p>
<p>I don&#39;t get the logic of that.</p>
<p>The significance of being part of the Jewish community is not a contradiction with being a citizen of any state.</p>
<p>The concept of &quot;dual-loyalty&quot; is false. Irish Americans are loyal to Ireland, as they are citizens of the US.</p>
<p>Palestinian Americans are loyal to Palestine, as they are simultaneously citizens of the US.</p>
<p>What does &quot;loyalty&quot; mean? Are you truly &quot;loyal&quot; to the US, in all the meanings that some judge of you could derive from that term?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/06/speaking_as_a_j.html/comment-page-1#comment-72122</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Made me think of a certain synagogue along the Henry Hudson Parkway in the Bronx with a sign out front reading, &quot;We stand with the State of Israel.&quot; I pass it all the time. Each time I do, I interpret it as a gigantic middle-finger extended towards me and every other American driving by. A hearty &quot;fuck you&quot; to the country that knocked out Saddam in order to appease Likud fanatics in the DoD. It is a supreme example of Zionist chutzpah, thrust right in our faces as we drive to and from Manhattan. Dual loyalty? Rubbish. Their only loyalty lies with Olmert, Likud, the IDF and the guy who bulldozed Rachel Corrie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for Witty&#039;s comment, I&#039;m an Irish American and couldn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about Ireland. You don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.</p>
<p>Made me think of a certain synagogue along the Henry Hudson Parkway in the Bronx with a sign out front reading, &quot;We stand with the State of Israel.&quot; I pass it all the time. Each time I do, I interpret it as a gigantic middle-finger extended towards me and every other American driving by. A hearty &quot;fuck you&quot; to the country that knocked out Saddam in order to appease Likud fanatics in the DoD. It is a supreme example of Zionist chutzpah, thrust right in our faces as we drive to and from Manhattan. Dual loyalty? Rubbish. Their only loyalty lies with Olmert, Likud, the IDF and the guy who bulldozed Rachel Corrie.</p>
<p>As for Witty&#39;s comment, I&#39;m an Irish American and couldn&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass about Ireland. You don&#39;t know what you&#39;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/06/speaking_as_a_j.html/comment-page-1#comment-72123</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sean,&lt;br /&gt;
There are Jews that similarly couldn&#039;t give a rats ass for Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you love classical music, jazz,  AND rock n roll, you are not inhuman, you are MORE human.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel is a mixed bag, as ANYONE that has any earnest involvement with Israel knows well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because it is mixed, reform is the most appropriate political approach relative to Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Urging reform will be respected. Urging condemnation will be rejected as it should.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
How does the complaint about &quot;dual-loyalty&quot; transform anything?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What good does it do?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,<br />
There are Jews that similarly couldn&#39;t give a rats ass for Israel.</p>
<p>If you love classical music, jazz,  AND rock n roll, you are not inhuman, you are MORE human.</p>
<p>Israel is a mixed bag, as ANYONE that has any earnest involvement with Israel knows well.</p>
<p>Because it is mixed, reform is the most appropriate political approach relative to Israel.</p>
<p>Urging reform will be respected. Urging condemnation will be rejected as it should.</p>
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How does the complaint about &quot;dual-loyalty&quot; transform anything?</p>
<p>What good does it do?</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/06/speaking_as_a_j.html/comment-page-1#comment-72124</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Besides the dual-loyalty issue there is a more important point to Walzer&#039;s endorsement of the &#039;anomaly of Jewish identity&#039;. ( I watched the videotape of his speech.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Michael Walzer endorsed the inbuild anti-Goyimism of the Jewish identity definition. That&#039;s its specific and dangerous anomaly. It&#039;s responsible for anti-Jewish feelings. And NOT the other way round: first anti-Semitism and as a reaction the anti-Goyimism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Newton&#039;s law &quot;to every action there is a reaction&quot; applies here. When the Jews came into being as a &#039;holy, chosen people&#039;, an exclusive &#039;people apart&#039;, that was the original anomaly  - the rest is reaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Immanuel Kant pointed that out in 1793 in his Philosophy of Religion. And I have to add: Kant had quite a following among the German Jews of the enlightenment.&lt;br /&gt;
____ &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Walzer failed to name another important Jewish anomaly: The Jews are the only religious group that claims God assigned them a certain territory on this planet.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the dual-loyalty issue there is a more important point to Walzer&#39;s endorsement of the &#39;anomaly of Jewish identity&#39;. ( I watched the videotape of his speech.)</p>
<p>Michael Walzer endorsed the inbuild anti-Goyimism of the Jewish identity definition. That&#39;s its specific and dangerous anomaly. It&#39;s responsible for anti-Jewish feelings. And NOT the other way round: first anti-Semitism and as a reaction the anti-Goyimism.</p>
<p>Newton&#39;s law &quot;to every action there is a reaction&quot; applies here. When the Jews came into being as a &#39;holy, chosen people&#39;, an exclusive &#39;people apart&#39;, that was the original anomaly  &#8211; the rest is reaction.</p>
<p>Immanuel Kant pointed that out in 1793 in his Philosophy of Religion. And I have to add: Kant had quite a following among the German Jews of the enlightenment.<br />
____ </p>
<p>Walzer failed to name another important Jewish anomaly: The Jews are the only religious group that claims God assigned them a certain territory on this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are MANY groups that regard themselves as special and distinct, and that regard a certain place as their home.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its a good thing in the world, even if its not your chosen association.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are MANY groups that regard themselves as special and distinct, and that regard a certain place as their home.</p>
<p>Its a good thing in the world, even if its not your chosen association.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/06/speaking_as_a_j.html/comment-page-1#comment-72126</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Call a place home&lt;br /&gt;
___________________&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Okay, but the German-Jewish philosopher Martin Buber sees it this way: &quot;The Land of Israel was created first, the rest of the world later on.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
When the Jews conquered their land (and on the way blotted out the Amalek), that was unlike any other people (who do not deny having conquered a territory) - the Jews were just following God&#039;s commandment. That&#039;s the way Buber sees it and the settlers in Judea and Samaria. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call a place home<br />
___________________</p>
<p>Okay, but the German-Jewish philosopher Martin Buber sees it this way: &quot;The Land of Israel was created first, the rest of the world later on.&quot; <br />
When the Jews conquered their land (and on the way blotted out the Amalek), that was unlike any other people (who do not deny having conquered a territory) &#8211; the Jews were just following God&#39;s commandment. That&#39;s the way Buber sees it and the settlers in Judea and Samaria. </p></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/06/speaking_as_a_j.html/comment-page-1#comment-72127</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also find it ironic that Michael Walzer is being vilified. Today, I read a fundraising letter he wrote for Peace Now, urging social justice within Israel (color-blind), and active removal of settlements on the Palestinian side of the green line.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, to further the irony, this vilification is being presented in the name of preserving freedom of expression for dissenting perspective.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find it ironic that Michael Walzer is being vilified. Today, I read a fundraising letter he wrote for Peace Now, urging social justice within Israel (color-blind), and active removal of settlements on the Palestinian side of the green line.</p>
<p>And, to further the irony, this vilification is being presented in the name of preserving freedom of expression for dissenting perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re &#039;loyalty&#039; crap sound like McCarthyism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you loyal to George Bush and/or to the US Government? Or do you have a special definition of loyalty to America?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What have you ever done for America? You didn&#039;t serve in the Army, did you? What have you ever done for America you hypocritical piece of shit?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These Jews that you have such a rage/jealousy with have paid more in taxes to America than a failed journalist/writer like you will ever pay. That&#039;s loyalty- picking up that pen and writing a big fat check to Uncle Sam. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This dual-loyal Jew, no, make that loyal only to Israel, because America is a fuckin&#039; joke, served for as combat medic in the US Army (91-A) and pays way more in taxes- just off of dividend income- than you will ever pay.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are a lazy, whining scumbag, Weiss. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You haven&#039;t done a single thing for America except whine about how much you love it.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re &#39;loyalty&#39; crap sound like McCarthyism.</p>
<p>Are you loyal to George Bush and/or to the US Government? Or do you have a special definition of loyalty to America?</p>
<p>What have you ever done for America? You didn&#39;t serve in the Army, did you? What have you ever done for America you hypocritical piece of shit?</p>
<p>These Jews that you have such a rage/jealousy with have paid more in taxes to America than a failed journalist/writer like you will ever pay. That&#39;s loyalty- picking up that pen and writing a big fat check to Uncle Sam. </p>
<p>This dual-loyal Jew, no, make that loyal only to Israel, because America is a fuckin&#39; joke, served for as combat medic in the US Army (91-A) and pays way more in taxes- just off of dividend income- than you will ever pay.</p>
<p>You are a lazy, whining scumbag, Weiss. </p>
<p>You haven&#39;t done a single thing for America except whine about how much you love it.  </p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t have a problem with dual-loyalty - I have a problem with the support of deceit, atrocities, disregard for international laws and war crimes to further one&#039;s notion of &quot;loyalty&quot;. I don&#039;t have a problem with patriotism, whether one is patriotic towards America or Israel. I have a problem with the DEFINITION of that particular patriotism. After all, the Nazis considered themselves true patriots to the German cause. It is not &quot;my country right or wrong&quot;, but what&#039;s right to be kept right and what&#039;s wrong to be made right. How can anyone &quot;loyal&quot; to one&#039;s country support neo-fascism, contravention of laws, war crimes, torture, aggression, occupation and colonization??? In the end, these red-blooded bigots are not faithful to their country, they are faithful to the supremacist ideology they subscribe to, and it is the ideology they wish to impose on the rest of the world. History will be their judge.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t have a problem with dual-loyalty &#8211; I have a problem with the support of deceit, atrocities, disregard for international laws and war crimes to further one&#39;s notion of &quot;loyalty&quot;. I don&#39;t have a problem with patriotism, whether one is patriotic towards America or Israel. I have a problem with the DEFINITION of that particular patriotism. After all, the Nazis considered themselves true patriots to the German cause. It is not &quot;my country right or wrong&quot;, but what&#39;s right to be kept right and what&#39;s wrong to be made right. How can anyone &quot;loyal&quot; to one&#39;s country support neo-fascism, contravention of laws, war crimes, torture, aggression, occupation and colonization??? In the end, these red-blooded bigots are not faithful to their country, they are faithful to the supremacist ideology they subscribe to, and it is the ideology they wish to impose on the rest of the world. History will be their judge.</p>
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		<title>By: qqqq</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like you have a big problem with America, Qwerty.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s too bad you got stuck with such a shitty place to live.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you have a big problem with America, Qwerty.</p>
<p>It&#39;s too bad you got stuck with such a shitty place to live.</p>
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