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		<title>By: cooper</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71086</link>
		<dc:creator>cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your guilt is well-founded. Just as Felix&lt;br /&gt;
Frankfurter should have felt guilt. And just as Stanley Levinson should have felt it. And Adorno, and Horkheimer, and Freud.&lt;br /&gt;
All the Jews who throughout recent history, after their rise to positions of influence and authority, have sought to weaken, destroy and eventually discard Western (white) culture and tradition. Without their pioneering, and likely guilt-free, labors we would have been spared Benetton ads, the Duke rape case farce, and quite possibly yet another navel-gazing Weiss column on the agonies of marrying his blond shiksa.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your guilt is well-founded. Just as Felix<br />
Frankfurter should have felt guilt. And just as Stanley Levinson should have felt it. And Adorno, and Horkheimer, and Freud.<br />
All the Jews who throughout recent history, after their rise to positions of influence and authority, have sought to weaken, destroy and eventually discard Western (white) culture and tradition. Without their pioneering, and likely guilt-free, labors we would have been spared Benetton ads, the Duke rape case farce, and quite possibly yet another navel-gazing Weiss column on the agonies of marrying his blond shiksa.</p>
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		<title>By: daveg</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71087</link>
		<dc:creator>daveg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, the lack of concern on the part of his wife&#039;s decision to marry outside the &quot;tribe&quot; is interesting (maybe a topic for another day?), but the fact is humanism seems to be winning over tribalism for now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is the neo-con hypocrites who propound humanism for the, but not for me, who are truly disgusting.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the lack of concern on the part of his wife&#39;s decision to marry outside the &quot;tribe&quot; is interesting (maybe a topic for another day?), but the fact is humanism seems to be winning over tribalism for now.</p>
<p>It is the neo-con hypocrites who propound humanism for the, but not for me, who are truly disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71088</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problems of the citizens of Palm Beach County are a little more concrete than Phil&#039;s--&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ISRAEL BONDS DON&#039;T MEET COUNTY INVESTMENT STANDARDS&lt;br /&gt;
http://palmbeachpost.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&amp;title=Israel+bonds+don%27t+meet+county+investment+standards&amp;expire=&amp;urlID=23210483&amp;fb=Y&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palmbeachpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fcontent%2Fopinion%2Fepaper%2F2007%2F07%2F27%2Fa13a&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;At a special meeting July 18, the committee voted 4-1 to lower two requirements of existing investment policy in order to purchase substandard bonds. The substandard investment was not suggested or supported by staff. The investment was recommended and supported by committee chairman Burt Aaronson. ... Chairman Aaronson directed most of the discussion to the necessity of helping the economy of Israel rather than to meet committee standards. We only can hope that when the issue is reviewed by the county commission, free from influence by Commissioner Aaronson, a wiser, more objective vote in the best interest of all the people of the county will prevail.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This is about as frank a discussion of dual loyalty as we are currently allowed here in America. Any more than this and you get reported to Michael Chertoff.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems of the citizens of Palm Beach County are a little more concrete than Phil&#39;s&#8211;</p>
<p>ISRAEL BONDS DON&#39;T MEET COUNTY INVESTMENT STANDARDS<br />
<a href="http://palmbeachpost.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&#038;title=Israel+bonds+don%27t+meet+county+investment+standards&#038;expire=&#038;urlID=23210483&#038;fb=Y&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palmbeachpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fcontent%2Fopinion%2Fepaper%2F2007%2F07%2F27%2Fa13a/p">link to palmbeachpost.printthis.clickability.com</a></p>
<p>&quot;At a special meeting July 18, the committee voted 4-1 to lower two requirements of existing investment policy in order to purchase substandard bonds. The substandard investment was not suggested or supported by staff. The investment was recommended and supported by committee chairman Burt Aaronson. &#8230; Chairman Aaronson directed most of the discussion to the necessity of helping the economy of Israel rather than to meet committee standards. We only can hope that when the issue is reviewed by the county commission, free from influence by Commissioner Aaronson, a wiser, more objective vote in the best interest of all the people of the county will prevail.&quot;</p>
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This is about as frank a discussion of dual loyalty as we are currently allowed here in America. Any more than this and you get reported to Michael Chertoff.</p>
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		<title>By: steven andresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven andresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pardon me if i am intruding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i long ago dated a chinese girl whose parents lived in Hong Kong, worked as executives for IBM in far east, and whose brother went to Harvard med. She was catholic, but not aggressively so. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my grandmother, thinking i might marry this person, came to me with objections that god does not approve of people like me mixing with people like her. she wasn&#039;t specific if it was my girlfriend&#039;s catholicism that bothered her, as she and she assumed i was protestant of some sort. Or, it might have been that my girlfriend was chinese, and she was not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the fact that my grandmother, who up to then was a major influence on my life, would try to force me to give up this girl erected a major wall between us. I couldn&#039;t talk to her about it i was so upset and disappointed. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;turned out, my mother was much more supportive to me in that she wanted me to make up my own mind on these matters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;turned out, i discovered a major difference between my mother and her mother because of this issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my grandmother was going through a very difficult time during that period of our lives. my grandfather was very ill with stomach cancer. he was at home periodically being confused and not able to eat. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;during that same time her neighborhood was changing. her old friends who lived around her were dying, going to nursing homes, or otherwise moving away. they were being replaced by poor black families who didn&#039;t speak much with her or show any kind of familiarity towards her.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;it was a difficult time for her and i guess she wanted to resist too much change.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;point being, I can understand your situation with your wife by relating it to my situation with this grilfriend.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pardon me if i am intruding.</p>
<p>i long ago dated a chinese girl whose parents lived in Hong Kong, worked as executives for IBM in far east, and whose brother went to Harvard med. She was catholic, but not aggressively so. </p>
<p>my grandmother, thinking i might marry this person, came to me with objections that god does not approve of people like me mixing with people like her. she wasn&#39;t specific if it was my girlfriend&#39;s catholicism that bothered her, as she and she assumed i was protestant of some sort. Or, it might have been that my girlfriend was chinese, and she was not.</p>
<p>the fact that my grandmother, who up to then was a major influence on my life, would try to force me to give up this girl erected a major wall between us. I couldn&#39;t talk to her about it i was so upset and disappointed. </p>
<p>turned out, my mother was much more supportive to me in that she wanted me to make up my own mind on these matters.</p>
<p>turned out, i discovered a major difference between my mother and her mother because of this issue.</p>
<p>my grandmother was going through a very difficult time during that period of our lives. my grandfather was very ill with stomach cancer. he was at home periodically being confused and not able to eat. </p>
<p>during that same time her neighborhood was changing. her old friends who lived around her were dying, going to nursing homes, or otherwise moving away. they were being replaced by poor black families who didn&#39;t speak much with her or show any kind of familiarity towards her.</p>
<p>it was a difficult time for her and i guess she wanted to resist too much change.</p>
<p>point being, I can understand your situation with your wife by relating it to my situation with this grilfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71090</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What do I owe the white race, and what does it owe me? Nothing, I think. If it fades, do I care?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I find interesting is your sense of guilt concerning your own activities against your own sect of people.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I feel a loss for the old neighborhoods of my youth.  Neighborhoods that are now ridden with crime, drugs, and murder.  The Catholic ethnics of the industrial north have been pushed out to the &#039;burbs, exiled by integration and the inevitable crime that follows.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With this exile and along with the introduction of birth control, the Catholic ethnic has lost it&#039;s political power.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will your ethnic group lose it&#039;s political power to assimilation?  Possibly, but it won&#039;t happen anytime soon, at the least 75 to 100 years from now.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;What do I owe the white race, and what does it owe me? Nothing, I think. If it fades, do I care?&quot;</p>
<p>What I find interesting is your sense of guilt concerning your own activities against your own sect of people.  </p>
<p>I feel a loss for the old neighborhoods of my youth.  Neighborhoods that are now ridden with crime, drugs, and murder.  The Catholic ethnics of the industrial north have been pushed out to the &#39;burbs, exiled by integration and the inevitable crime that follows.  </p>
<p>With this exile and along with the introduction of birth control, the Catholic ethnic has lost it&#39;s political power.  </p>
<p>Will your ethnic group lose it&#39;s political power to assimilation?  Possibly, but it won&#39;t happen anytime soon, at the least 75 to 100 years from now.  </p>
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		<title>By: Paul E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If not for Hitler assimilation would be no big deal.  Because of the Holocaust people feel obliged to preserve Judaism.  I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t think this tragedy is a proper basis for making a life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you are not a committed Zionist, Judaism is a religion.  Those who want to preserve it should concentrate on making it more meaningful to its public.  Maybe one such improvement would be to take the Israeli flag out of the synagouge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not for Hitler assimilation would be no big deal.  Because of the Holocaust people feel obliged to preserve Judaism.  I&#39;m sorry, but I don&#39;t think this tragedy is a proper basis for making a life.</p>
<p>If you are not a committed Zionist, Judaism is a religion.  Those who want to preserve it should concentrate on making it more meaningful to its public.  Maybe one such improvement would be to take the Israeli flag out of the synagouge.</p>
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		<title>By: liberal white boy</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71092</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal white boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This genetic material love story is making me feel like a vomiting fish.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This genetic material love story is making me feel like a vomiting fish.</p>
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		<title>By: evanj</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/download-blogto.html/comment-page-1#comment-71093</link>
		<dc:creator>evanj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The major current contribution of Jewish endogamy to the world appears to be the erection of boundaries against the intrusion of intelligence and humanity to counter the ongoing support for the criminal state of Israel. &lt;br /&gt;
Bring on assimilation.&lt;br /&gt;
Bring on universal assimilation. Endogamy in any tribe is a vehicle not for cultural enrichment but for cultural decay.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major current contribution of Jewish endogamy to the world appears to be the erection of boundaries against the intrusion of intelligence and humanity to counter the ongoing support for the criminal state of Israel. <br />
Bring on assimilation.<br />
Bring on universal assimilation. Endogamy in any tribe is a vehicle not for cultural enrichment but for cultural decay.</p>
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		<title>By: Diggler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diggler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil - Tell your wife to give me a call. I&#039;m Jewish, but I&#039;m so good in the sack she will convert. When she is screaming &quot;Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!&quot; that will be the God of the Old Testament my friend. Personally I feel that every single Jew, male or female, should intermarry and just require their spouse to convert to a humanistic form of Judaism - Judintarianism. In several generations there will be as many of us in the USA as there are Mexicans. Well, maybe not that many, but that&#039;s a whole lot of Jews having bar and bat mitzvahs. That alone can revive entire economies in the inner cities and suburbs. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; Tell your wife to give me a call. I&#39;m Jewish, but I&#39;m so good in the sack she will convert. When she is screaming &quot;Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!&quot; that will be the God of the Old Testament my friend. Personally I feel that every single Jew, male or female, should intermarry and just require their spouse to convert to a humanistic form of Judaism &#8211; Judintarianism. In several generations there will be as many of us in the USA as there are Mexicans. Well, maybe not that many, but that&#39;s a whole lot of Jews having bar and bat mitzvahs. That alone can revive entire economies in the inner cities and suburbs. </p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gary Rosenblatt of The New York Jewish Week starkly frames the issue of Harvard Professor Noah Feldman&#039;s erasure from the ranks of graduates of Brookline&#039;s Maimonides School. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;What Feldman’s essay points up is that intermarriage is the irreconcilable issue for those who argue that American and Jewish values are compatible. “We’ve sold a lot of Jews a bill of goods when we’ve told them there are no contradictions between being a good Jew and an American,” noted Jonathan Sarna, a professor of American Jewish history at Brandeis University. “In America you are taught you can marry anyone you fall in love with, but Judaism argues that we are a minority culture and will only survive if Jews marry other Jews.”&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rosenblatt&#039;s analysis probably applies even more strongly to Zionism than to Orthodox Judaism. American and Zionist values are simply completely contradictory in many serious ways, and when someone claims that America and Israel share the same values, many Americans and non-Americans become very uncomfortable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because American Jews exercise such strong influence over US society and ME policy, non-Jewish and assimilated Jewish Americans have to start paying serious attention to the fundamental disconnect between American principles and fundamental beliefs of Zionists and many if not most Jewish Americans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[Noah Feldman&#039;s essay can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?_r=1&amp;ref=magazine&amp;oref=slogin.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=14347 for Rosenblatt&#039;s commentary thereon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I put up a more complete version of this comment at http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/gary-rosenblatt-noah-feldman-american.html .]&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Rosenblatt of The New York Jewish Week starkly frames the issue of Harvard Professor Noah Feldman&#39;s erasure from the ranks of graduates of Brookline&#39;s Maimonides School. </p>
<p>&quot;What Feldman’s essay points up is that intermarriage is the irreconcilable issue for those who argue that American and Jewish values are compatible. “We’ve sold a lot of Jews a bill of goods when we’ve told them there are no contradictions between being a good Jew and an American,” noted Jonathan Sarna, a professor of American Jewish history at Brandeis University. “In America you are taught you can marry anyone you fall in love with, but Judaism argues that we are a minority culture and will only survive if Jews marry other Jews.”&quot;</p>
<p>Rosenblatt&#39;s analysis probably applies even more strongly to Zionism than to Orthodox Judaism. American and Zionist values are simply completely contradictory in many serious ways, and when someone claims that America and Israel share the same values, many Americans and non-Americans become very uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Because American Jews exercise such strong influence over US society and ME policy, non-Jewish and assimilated Jewish Americans have to start paying serious attention to the fundamental disconnect between American principles and fundamental beliefs of Zionists and many if not most Jewish Americans.</p>
<p>[Noah Feldman&#39;s essay can be found at <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?_r=1&#038;ref=magazine&#038;oref=slogin./p">link to nytimes.com</a></p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=14347">link to thejewishweek.com</a><br /> for Rosenblatt&#39;s commentary thereon.</p>
<p>I put up a more complete version of this comment at <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/gary-rosenblatt-noah-feldman-american.html">link to eaazi.blogspot.com</a><br /> .]</p>
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