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		<title>By: OG</title>
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		<dc:creator>OG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the geneticist Charles Murray&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not exactly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Murray obtained an A.B. in history from Harvard in 1965 and a Ph.D. in political science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1974.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(author)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since then, he&#039;s mostly been a think tank hack.   Not sure when his work was last peer reviewed; it may have been 1979.  He&#039;s (arguably) competent at running regressions.  He is not qualified to pronounce about genetics.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the geneticist Charles Murray</p>
<p>Not exactly.</p>
<p>Murray obtained an A.B. in history from Harvard in 1965 and a Ph.D. in political science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1974.</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(author)</p>
<p>Since then, he&#39;s mostly been a think tank hack.   Not sure when his work was last peer reviewed; it may have been 1979.  He&#39;s (arguably) competent at running regressions.  He is not qualified to pronounce about genetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Assimilated Jew Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assimilated Jew Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Philip - I am about as assimilated a jew as they get, who still calls himself a jew. I grew up in a metropolitan area with a lot of Asians. As a result many of my best friends were of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean descent, and many were wicked smart. Many of the Jews I knew dated their Asian peers. I never heard a peep about it from the families of those Jews, but almost all of them were fairly non-observant and quite liberal. What I did come across a lot was a fairly high degree of racism and chauvanism in the families of the Asian folks we were dating. They generally tolerated their kids dating Jews, because they tended to buy into the same stereotypes of Jews that Jews buy into. i.e., Jews are smart and hard working achievers. If their daughters came home with an African-American or Latino boyfriend there would be hell to pay, but jews were OK. Even within the Asian community there was a fairly rigid hierarchy: Japanese on top, followed by Korean, then Chinese, then Filipino. Dating a Jew was likely to be more accepted than dating a Filipino or possibly a Chinese person. My guess is this will be a non-issue within one generation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I marry there is a good chance it will be a non-Jew. My friends are quite varied in their backgrounds and I meet a lot more non-Jews than Jews so chances are I&#039;m going to fall in love with a non-Jew, but you never know. My family will only be upset if the person I marry is not fairly liberal and not a good cook. I think they would enjoy having a jewish daughter-in-law, and it would make child rearing a bit simpler, but I have no doubt they would be fine with a great person who wasn&#039;t Jewish. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for Jewish intellectual superiority, I have found the following to be true.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most of the brilliant people in the world are not Jewish.&lt;br /&gt;
Most of the idiots out there are not Jewish.&lt;br /&gt;
Jews are disproportionately represented amongst the smarter folks, but there really aren&#039;t that many of us.&lt;br /&gt;
There are quite a few stupid Jews that I know, but they have college degrees so they are less likely to end up homeless.&lt;br /&gt;
When I go to a party I think about 3 or 4 atrributes of people before getting to whether they are Jewish or not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Last thing I know:&lt;br /&gt;
Non-Jews love to talk about jews.&lt;br /&gt;
But not as much as jews love to talk about themselves!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Shalom Philip.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip &#8211; I am about as assimilated a jew as they get, who still calls himself a jew. I grew up in a metropolitan area with a lot of Asians. As a result many of my best friends were of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean descent, and many were wicked smart. Many of the Jews I knew dated their Asian peers. I never heard a peep about it from the families of those Jews, but almost all of them were fairly non-observant and quite liberal. What I did come across a lot was a fairly high degree of racism and chauvanism in the families of the Asian folks we were dating. They generally tolerated their kids dating Jews, because they tended to buy into the same stereotypes of Jews that Jews buy into. i.e., Jews are smart and hard working achievers. If their daughters came home with an African-American or Latino boyfriend there would be hell to pay, but jews were OK. Even within the Asian community there was a fairly rigid hierarchy: Japanese on top, followed by Korean, then Chinese, then Filipino. Dating a Jew was likely to be more accepted than dating a Filipino or possibly a Chinese person. My guess is this will be a non-issue within one generation.</p>
<p>When I marry there is a good chance it will be a non-Jew. My friends are quite varied in their backgrounds and I meet a lot more non-Jews than Jews so chances are I&#39;m going to fall in love with a non-Jew, but you never know. My family will only be upset if the person I marry is not fairly liberal and not a good cook. I think they would enjoy having a jewish daughter-in-law, and it would make child rearing a bit simpler, but I have no doubt they would be fine with a great person who wasn&#39;t Jewish. </p>
<p>As for Jewish intellectual superiority, I have found the following to be true.</p>
<p>Most of the brilliant people in the world are not Jewish.<br />
Most of the idiots out there are not Jewish.<br />
Jews are disproportionately represented amongst the smarter folks, but there really aren&#39;t that many of us.<br />
There are quite a few stupid Jews that I know, but they have college degrees so they are less likely to end up homeless.<br />
When I go to a party I think about 3 or 4 atrributes of people before getting to whether they are Jewish or not.</p>
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Last thing I know:<br />
Non-Jews love to talk about jews.<br />
But not as much as jews love to talk about themselves!</p>
<p>Shalom Philip.</p>
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		<title>By: Assimilated Jew Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assimilated Jew Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One last point. This one about Israel and inter-marriage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My Asian friends were fairly well identified with their culture. They attended Japanese or Korean school on the weekend. They learned their history. They visited their ancestral lands. Not particularly different than the Jewish kids who were going to Hebrew school. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Based on on conversations I had with my Asian peers I surmised that while they felt a duty to make their parents happy, they did not tend to feel a need to keep the Korean bloodline or Chinese bloodline going. They also did not believe that their ancestral lands may one day be destroyed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My Jewish friend, myself included, tended to feel an obligation to look out for the Jews since there weren&#039;t many of us around and Israel seemed to be constantly in danger. I have a feeling that if China, Japan, Korea(s) or the Philipines were in a similar position my friends would have taken a similar level of interest.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point. This one about Israel and inter-marriage.</p>
<p>My Asian friends were fairly well identified with their culture. They attended Japanese or Korean school on the weekend. They learned their history. They visited their ancestral lands. Not particularly different than the Jewish kids who were going to Hebrew school. </p>
<p>Based on on conversations I had with my Asian peers I surmised that while they felt a duty to make their parents happy, they did not tend to feel a need to keep the Korean bloodline or Chinese bloodline going. They also did not believe that their ancestral lands may one day be destroyed.</p>
<p>My Jewish friend, myself included, tended to feel an obligation to look out for the Jews since there weren&#39;t many of us around and Israel seemed to be constantly in danger. I have a feeling that if China, Japan, Korea(s) or the Philipines were in a similar position my friends would have taken a similar level of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ironicly,  the reactions to that article show why assimiliation is such a good thing.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ironicly,  the reactions to that article show why assimiliation is such a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Assimilation&lt;br /&gt;
______________&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looking back 2 000 years in &#039;our area&#039; from Persia to Portugal - assimilation by intermarriage is the norm. At the time of Jesus there were some hundreds of ethnic-tribal groups, kingdoms, chiefdoms etc. Now there are some dozen states. Assimilation, the merging of ethnic groups is the historic norm not the exception. To resist assimilation/intermarrige is an anomaly. You may be proud of it but you are not normal. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assimilation<br />
______________</p>
<p>Looking back 2 000 years in &#39;our area&#39; from Persia to Portugal &#8211; assimilation by intermarriage is the norm. At the time of Jesus there were some hundreds of ethnic-tribal groups, kingdoms, chiefdoms etc. Now there are some dozen states. Assimilation, the merging of ethnic groups is the historic norm not the exception. To resist assimilation/intermarrige is an anomaly. You may be proud of it but you are not normal. </p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;off topic but amusing as a typical example of combined officiousness and stupidity where matters of jewish esprit de corps are concerned : I just received an email from my Hebrew teacher, in which she says &quot;I did however just come across a piece written by you about which I feel very angry and upset and insulted and am determined that at this point our paths must part.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
She offers a snapshot of the glove puppet dialogue from here:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/david_gregory_p.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am sure you have all experienced this glove puppetry, where people post garbage in your name.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off topic but amusing as a typical example of combined officiousness and stupidity where matters of jewish esprit de corps are concerned : I just received an email from my Hebrew teacher, in which she says &quot;I did however just come across a piece written by you about which I feel very angry and upset and insulted and am determined that at this point our paths must part.&quot;<br />
She offers a snapshot of the glove puppet dialogue from here:<br />
<a href="http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/01/david_gregory_p.html</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to philipweiss.org</a></p>
<p>I am sure you have all experienced this glove puppetry, where people post garbage in your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Better link for Noah Feldman article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?ex=1186027200&amp;en=4277230fa9e0780a&amp;ei=5070 .&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better link for Noah Feldman article: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?ex=1186027200&amp;en=4277230fa9e0780a&amp;ei=5070">link to nytimes.com</a><br /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;My Jewish friend, myself included, tended to feel an obligation to look out for the Jews since there weren&#039;t many of us around and Israel seemed to be constantly in danger. I have a feeling that if China, Japan, Korea(s) or the Philipines were in a similar position my friends would have taken a similar level of interest.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you asked your friends about it? Most second or third generation Chinese Americans I know consider themselves American and not Chinese. Chinese in other countries such as Thailand don&#039;t consider themselves Chinese at all.  Singapore -- majority of its citizens are Chinese and ruled by Chinese -- has not been that friendly with China.  And Chinese in China generally see oversea Chinese as foreigners as most of the second and third generation diaspora don&#039;t speak the native tongue. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/22/immigrant_parents_struggle_to_keep_their_children_bilingual/  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Chinese government, Japanese and Korean government don&#039;t have close ties with their diaspora, whose loyalty often lies with their host countries. For example:  Japanese-American lawmaker Michael Honda  introduced resolution calling on Tokyo to apologize for forcing women to serve as sex slaves during World War Two. The resolution angered the Japanese lawmakers to no end. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070714/pl_nm/japan_sexslaves_dc&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The all-Japanese-American  100th/442nd Regimental Combat Team (RCT) is the most decorated military unit in U.S. history. They were fighting the Nazis while the U.S.was at war with Japan. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45180&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;My Jewish friend, myself included, tended to feel an obligation to look out for the Jews since there weren&#39;t many of us around and Israel seemed to be constantly in danger. I have a feeling that if China, Japan, Korea(s) or the Philipines were in a similar position my friends would have taken a similar level of interest.&quot;</p>
<p>Have you asked your friends about it? Most second or third generation Chinese Americans I know consider themselves American and not Chinese. Chinese in other countries such as Thailand don&#39;t consider themselves Chinese at all.  Singapore &#8212; majority of its citizens are Chinese and ruled by Chinese &#8212; has not been that friendly with China.  And Chinese in China generally see oversea Chinese as foreigners as most of the second and third generation diaspora don&#39;t speak the native tongue. <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/22/immigrant_parents_struggle_to_keep_their_children_bilingual/">link to boston.com</a>  </p>
<p>The Chinese government, Japanese and Korean government don&#39;t have close ties with their diaspora, whose loyalty often lies with their host countries. For example:  Japanese-American lawmaker Michael Honda  introduced resolution calling on Tokyo to apologize for forcing women to serve as sex slaves during World War Two. The resolution angered the Japanese lawmakers to no end. </p>
<p>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070714/pl_nm/japan_sexslaves_dc</p>
<p>The all-Japanese-American  100th/442nd Regimental Combat Team (RCT) is the most decorated military unit in U.S. history. They were fighting the Nazis while the U.S.was at war with Japan. </p>
<p>http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45180</p>
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		<title>By: Arie Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arie Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Klaus wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Assimilation, the merging of ethnic groups is the historic norm not the exception&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, but so was the separation into ethnic groups. When homo sapiens started on its long journey from Africa into the various parts of our world humankind was probably pretty uniform. Different geographic environments led to ethnic diversity. The remerging process started about five hundred years ago with Europeans moving into other parts of the world. Today we see, partly as a late consequence of European colonialism, a reverse movement with Asians and Africans moving into &quot;Western&quot; parts of the world. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We will presumably end up with the type of ethnic mix in which Brasil is the forerunner. After the separation that mainly took place in the last thirty thousand years humankind is coming together again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I cannot judge what this means for average intelligence though I suspect that this mixing of gene pools is all to the good. As far as physical appearance is concerned: I have seen the offspring of many mixed marriages between &#039;Caucasians&#039; and Asians and it always struck me that generally they were better looking than their respective parents.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klaus wrote:</p>
<p>&quot;Assimilation, the merging of ethnic groups is the historic norm not the exception&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, but so was the separation into ethnic groups. When homo sapiens started on its long journey from Africa into the various parts of our world humankind was probably pretty uniform. Different geographic environments led to ethnic diversity. The remerging process started about five hundred years ago with Europeans moving into other parts of the world. Today we see, partly as a late consequence of European colonialism, a reverse movement with Asians and Africans moving into &quot;Western&quot; parts of the world. </p>
<p>We will presumably end up with the type of ethnic mix in which Brasil is the forerunner. After the separation that mainly took place in the last thirty thousand years humankind is coming together again.</p>
<p>I cannot judge what this means for average intelligence though I suspect that this mixing of gene pools is all to the good. As far as physical appearance is concerned: I have seen the offspring of many mixed marriages between &#39;Caucasians&#39; and Asians and it always struck me that generally they were better looking than their respective parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of assimilation and intermarriage:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Last month, &quot;the youngest of Al Gore&#039;s three daughters, Sarah Gore, 28, married businessman Bill Lee in Beverly Hills on Saturday, family spokesperson Kalee Kreider confirms to PEOPLE.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bride, who is taking her husband&#039;s last name, wore a gown by Monique Lhuillier at the wedding, which took place at the Beverly Hills Hotel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20046345,00.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bill Lee&#039;s parents are Chinese immigrants from Taiwan.  Now his father is a professor teaching anesthesiology in UCLA. Bill Lee was born and raised in California. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, Al Gore&#039;s eldest daughter is married to Drew Schiff, whose great-grandfather was Jacob Schiff, one of the most famous/wealthy American Jews. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of assimilation and intermarriage:</p>
<p>Last month, &quot;the youngest of Al Gore&#39;s three daughters, Sarah Gore, 28, married businessman Bill Lee in Beverly Hills on Saturday, family spokesperson Kalee Kreider confirms to PEOPLE.</p>
<p>The bride, who is taking her husband&#39;s last name, wore a gown by Monique Lhuillier at the wedding, which took place at the Beverly Hills Hotel.&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20046345,00.html</p>
<p>Bill Lee&#39;s parents are Chinese immigrants from Taiwan.  Now his father is a professor teaching anesthesiology in UCLA. Bill Lee was born and raised in California. </p>
<p>Incidentally, Al Gore&#39;s eldest daughter is married to Drew Schiff, whose great-grandfather was Jacob Schiff, one of the most famous/wealthy American Jews. </p>
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