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	<title>Comments on: J.J. Goldberg&#8217;s Regrettable Decision to Turn His Back on Walt and Mearsheimer</title>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70799</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;they are dodging this issue because they know they have no case.  there is no good reason for our israel centric foreign policy and the neo cons know it best of all.  anyway,  let them drown in their own irrelevence.  they can book abe foxman to talk about the &quot;new new new anti semtism&quot; to a half filled room of people who have heard it before&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they are dodging this issue because they know they have no case.  there is no good reason for our israel centric foreign policy and the neo cons know it best of all.  anyway,  let them drown in their own irrelevence.  they can book abe foxman to talk about the &quot;new new new anti semtism&quot; to a half filled room of people who have heard it before</p>
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		<title>By: evanj</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70800</link>
		<dc:creator>evanj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The concept of a university is now anathema to the pro-Israel lobby (comprising the Zionists plus the cowards like Goldberg). Welcome to the madrassas of Dershowitz&#039;s Harvard, Brandeis and DePaul.&lt;br /&gt;
Walt must be drummed out of Harvard and Mearsheimer ditto out of Chicago. Both utterly mainstream, their degree of intellectual independence is clearly too great to be tolerated. How has CHomsky remained at MIT - outrageous. Welcome to the New Inquisition. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of a university is now anathema to the pro-Israel lobby (comprising the Zionists plus the cowards like Goldberg). Welcome to the madrassas of Dershowitz&#39;s Harvard, Brandeis and DePaul.<br />
Walt must be drummed out of Harvard and Mearsheimer ditto out of Chicago. Both utterly mainstream, their degree of intellectual independence is clearly too great to be tolerated. How has CHomsky remained at MIT &#8211; outrageous. Welcome to the New Inquisition. </p>
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		<title>By: Arie Brand</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70801</link>
		<dc:creator>Arie Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About Goldberg:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;He says he doesn&#039;t want to appear to be endorsing the book, and &quot;I don&#039;t think the book is very good.&quot; He says that the authors didn&#039;t interview anyone in the lobby or anyone who was lobbied.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It appears (from Phil&#039;s comments) that G.s judgment is factually incorrect. But even if it weren&#039;t would it hold much water? I doubt it. This criterion would condemn any work of historical political sociology  (such as for instance Lewis Namier&#039;s &quot;The Structure of Politics at the Accession of George III&quot;)in advance. But not only that. It could also be held against classics of contemporary political sociology such as for instance Lipset&#039;s &quot;Political Man&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The idea that political analysis requires personal interviews is, indeed, as Phil points out, a journalistic idea.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Goldberg:</p>
<p>&quot;He says he doesn&#39;t want to appear to be endorsing the book, and &quot;I don&#39;t think the book is very good.&quot; He says that the authors didn&#39;t interview anyone in the lobby or anyone who was lobbied.&quot; </p>
<p>It appears (from Phil&#39;s comments) that G.s judgment is factually incorrect. But even if it weren&#39;t would it hold much water? I doubt it. This criterion would condemn any work of historical political sociology  (such as for instance Lewis Namier&#39;s &quot;The Structure of Politics at the Accession of George III&quot;)in advance. But not only that. It could also be held against classics of contemporary political sociology such as for instance Lipset&#39;s &quot;Political Man&quot;.</p>
<p>The idea that political analysis requires personal interviews is, indeed, as Phil points out, a journalistic idea.  </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way, I notice that Goldberg, in the Forward editorial denouncing M&amp;W, claims that &quot;they state, incorrectly, that Israel did not allow Palestinian refugees to return after 1948.&quot; I try to stay familiar with the Zionist interpretation of Israeli history, but this claim is new to me. Does anyone (Arie?) know what he is likely to be referring to?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I notice that Goldberg, in the Forward editorial denouncing M&amp;W, claims that &quot;they state, incorrectly, that Israel did not allow Palestinian refugees to return after 1948.&quot; I try to stay familiar with the Zionist interpretation of Israeli history, but this claim is new to me. Does anyone (Arie?) know what he is likely to be referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: Bulldog</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70803</link>
		<dc:creator>Bulldog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a lot of this crap going on:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://insidehighered.com/news/2007/08/16/yaleup&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yale University Press on Wednesday announced that a libel suit against it and one of its authors has been dropped, without any changes being made in the book or any payments to the plaintiffs. The book in question is about Hamas and comes just weeks after Cambridge University Press settled a libel case against it over a book about Islamic terrorism by promising to destroy remaining copies of the book.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Related stories&lt;br /&gt;
Sailing from Ithaka, Aug. 1 &lt;br /&gt;
University Presses Take Their Stand, Feb. 28 &lt;br /&gt;
Pressing On, June 21, 2006 &lt;br /&gt;
The Shift Away From Print, Dec. 8, 2005 &lt;br /&gt;
Publishers Sue Copy Shops for Alleged Infringement, Nov. 16, 2005 &lt;br /&gt;
E-mail&lt;br /&gt;
Print&lt;br /&gt;
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The cases are notably different in that Cambridge was sued in Britain (where libel protections for authors and publishers are much weaker than those in the United States) and Yale was able to file motions in California courts, which have stronger libel protections for authors and publishers than much of the United States. But the fact that Yale took a strong legal stance on a book about Hamas is likely to cheer scholars of terrorism, some of whom have been deeply concerned that the Cambridge settlement would prompt other presses to back down if sued.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The book over which Yale was sued is Hamas: Politics, Charity, and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad, by Matthew Levitt, who is director of the Stein Program on Terrorism, Intelligence and Policy at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. While some observers have distinguished between Hamas’s terrorist activities and the group’s social service activities with Palestinians, Levitt’s argument is that they are in fact intertwined. Yale’s description of the book says: “Levitt demolishes the notion that Hamas’ military, political, and social wings are distinct from one another and catalogues the alarming extent to which the organization’s political and social welfare leaders support terror. He exposes Hamas as a unitary organization committed to a militant Islamist ideology, urges the international community to take heed, and offers well-considered ideas for countering the significant threat Hamas poses.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The libel suit was filed in California in April by KinderUSA, a nonprofit group that says it raises money for Palestinian children and families, and Laila Al-Marayati, the chair of the group’s board. They sued over two passages and related footnotes in the book about charitable groups in the United States that the author believes are linked to terrorist groups. The U.S. government has investigated some Muslim charities in the United States for such links, but also said that such probes do not suggest that all Muslim charities have such links. The lawsuit specifically objected to this passage: “The formation of KinderUSA highlights an increasingly common trend: banned charities continuing to operate by incorporating under new names in response to designation as terrorist entities or in an effort to evade attention. This trend is also seen with groups raising money for al-Qaeda.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;According to the suit, suggesting that KinderUSA “funds terrorist or illegal organizations” was “false and damaging” and libelous. The suit also alleged that Yale “did not conduct any fact-checking” for the book. KinderUSA asked the court for an injunction on its request that distribution of the book be halted, and also sought $500,000 in damages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since the suit was filed, Yale has indicated that it and its author stood behind the book. (Levitt was out of town Wednesday and could not be reached.) But in July, Yale raised the stakes by filing what is known as an “anti-SLAPP suit” motion, seeking to quash the libel suit and to receive legal fees. SLAPP is an acronym for “strategic lawsuit against public participation,” a category of lawsuit viewed as an attempt not to win in court, but to harass a nonprofit group or publication that is raising issues of public concern. The fear of those sued is that groups with more money can tie them up in court in ways that would discourage them from exercising their rights to free speech. Anti-SLAPP statutes, such as the one in California with which Yale responded, are a tool created in some states to counter such suits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Yale’s response, it noted that KinderUSA has been reported to be the subject of investigation by federal authorities, that these investigations have received detailed press coverage (prior to the book), and that the views of the book were legitimate and contained no errors of fact that meet the test for libel. Yale noted that the book was subject to peer review and copy editing and that the author verified that he had fact-checked the book. A Yale editor certified that he had no knowledge that anything in the book was incorrect. Yale’s brief called the suit a “classic, meritless challenge to free expression,” and sought the suit’s dismissal and legal fees. While Yale’s motion was not heard in court, the suit was withdrawn shortly after it was filed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“I think this represents a win for free expression, and for university presses,” said Dean Ringel, a lawyer who worked on the case for the Yale press. Ringel said that Yale believed the book had not libeled anyone and that the suit needed to be defended.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of this crap going on:</p>
<p>http://insidehighered.com/news/2007/08/16/yaleup</p>
<p>Yale University Press on Wednesday announced that a libel suit against it and one of its authors has been dropped, without any changes being made in the book or any payments to the plaintiffs. The book in question is about Hamas and comes just weeks after Cambridge University Press settled a libel case against it over a book about Islamic terrorism by promising to destroy remaining copies of the book.</p>
<p>Related stories<br />
Sailing from Ithaka, Aug. 1 <br />
University Presses Take Their Stand, Feb. 28 <br />
Pressing On, June 21, 2006 <br />
The Shift Away From Print, Dec. 8, 2005 <br />
Publishers Sue Copy Shops for Alleged Infringement, Nov. 16, 2005 <br />
E-mail<br />
Print</p>
<p>The cases are notably different in that Cambridge was sued in Britain (where libel protections for authors and publishers are much weaker than those in the United States) and Yale was able to file motions in California courts, which have stronger libel protections for authors and publishers than much of the United States. But the fact that Yale took a strong legal stance on a book about Hamas is likely to cheer scholars of terrorism, some of whom have been deeply concerned that the Cambridge settlement would prompt other presses to back down if sued.</p>
<p>The book over which Yale was sued is Hamas: Politics, Charity, and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad, by Matthew Levitt, who is director of the Stein Program on Terrorism, Intelligence and Policy at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. While some observers have distinguished between Hamas’s terrorist activities and the group’s social service activities with Palestinians, Levitt’s argument is that they are in fact intertwined. Yale’s description of the book says: “Levitt demolishes the notion that Hamas’ military, political, and social wings are distinct from one another and catalogues the alarming extent to which the organization’s political and social welfare leaders support terror. He exposes Hamas as a unitary organization committed to a militant Islamist ideology, urges the international community to take heed, and offers well-considered ideas for countering the significant threat Hamas poses.”</p>
<p>The libel suit was filed in California in April by KinderUSA, a nonprofit group that says it raises money for Palestinian children and families, and Laila Al-Marayati, the chair of the group’s board. They sued over two passages and related footnotes in the book about charitable groups in the United States that the author believes are linked to terrorist groups. The U.S. government has investigated some Muslim charities in the United States for such links, but also said that such probes do not suggest that all Muslim charities have such links. The lawsuit specifically objected to this passage: “The formation of KinderUSA highlights an increasingly common trend: banned charities continuing to operate by incorporating under new names in response to designation as terrorist entities or in an effort to evade attention. This trend is also seen with groups raising money for al-Qaeda.”</p>
<p>According to the suit, suggesting that KinderUSA “funds terrorist or illegal organizations” was “false and damaging” and libelous. The suit also alleged that Yale “did not conduct any fact-checking” for the book. KinderUSA asked the court for an injunction on its request that distribution of the book be halted, and also sought $500,000 in damages.</p>
<p>Since the suit was filed, Yale has indicated that it and its author stood behind the book. (Levitt was out of town Wednesday and could not be reached.) But in July, Yale raised the stakes by filing what is known as an “anti-SLAPP suit” motion, seeking to quash the libel suit and to receive legal fees. SLAPP is an acronym for “strategic lawsuit against public participation,” a category of lawsuit viewed as an attempt not to win in court, but to harass a nonprofit group or publication that is raising issues of public concern. The fear of those sued is that groups with more money can tie them up in court in ways that would discourage them from exercising their rights to free speech. Anti-SLAPP statutes, such as the one in California with which Yale responded, are a tool created in some states to counter such suits.</p>
<p>In Yale’s response, it noted that KinderUSA has been reported to be the subject of investigation by federal authorities, that these investigations have received detailed press coverage (prior to the book), and that the views of the book were legitimate and contained no errors of fact that meet the test for libel. Yale noted that the book was subject to peer review and copy editing and that the author verified that he had fact-checked the book. A Yale editor certified that he had no knowledge that anything in the book was incorrect. Yale’s brief called the suit a “classic, meritless challenge to free expression,” and sought the suit’s dismissal and legal fees. While Yale’s motion was not heard in court, the suit was withdrawn shortly after it was filed.</p>
<p>“I think this represents a win for free expression, and for university presses,” said Dean Ringel, a lawyer who worked on the case for the Yale press. Ringel said that Yale believed the book had not libeled anyone and that the suit needed to be defended.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70804</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a college professor being threatened with a denial of tenure for exposing the fraudulence of Israeli archaeology:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://chronicle.com/new/article/2866/alumni-group-seeks-to-deny-tenure-to-middle-eastern-scholar-at-barnard-college&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a college professor being threatened with a denial of tenure for exposing the fraudulence of Israeli archaeology:</p>
<p>http://chronicle.com/new/article/2866/alumni-group-seeks-to-deny-tenure-to-middle-eastern-scholar-at-barnard-college</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/jj-goldbergs-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70805</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you.  J.J. was wrong here.  He should&#039;ve moderated the program and raised all the objections &amp; criticisms he wished.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the post I wrote about this I mentioned the e mail J.J. sent me trying to explain his perspective.  I didn&#039;t find it convincing just as I don&#039;t find many of his criticisms of the book convincing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unlike you, Phil, I was critical of some arguments W-M advanced in their original essay.  There were simiplistic arguments &amp; overstatement which I hope are corrected in the book version.  But aside fr. that this is a book worth reading &amp; pondering written on a subject that is vital to Jewish, U.S. &amp; Israeli interests.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve linked to my post about this subject attached to this comment.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.  J.J. was wrong here.  He should&#39;ve moderated the program and raised all the objections &amp; criticisms he wished.</p>
<p>In the post I wrote about this I mentioned the e mail J.J. sent me trying to explain his perspective.  I didn&#39;t find it convincing just as I don&#39;t find many of his criticisms of the book convincing.</p>
<p>Unlike you, Phil, I was critical of some arguments W-M advanced in their original essay.  There were simiplistic arguments &amp; overstatement which I hope are corrected in the book version.  But aside fr. that this is a book worth reading &amp; pondering written on a subject that is vital to Jewish, U.S. &amp; Israeli interests.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve linked to my post about this subject attached to this comment.</p>
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