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		<title>By: omaribrahim</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-77748</link>
		<dc:creator>omaribrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Israel as is today stands for the triumph of brute force and illegality over fundamental human rights and legality.   Israel is, in the ultimate objective analysis:  1- a successful colonialist project that bore fruit in the decolonization era of modern times; an era that supposedly ushered a more egalitarian world.  2-the outcome of a successful joint Western/Jewish effort to plant a, culturally and demographically, alien nation/state in and on a region and culture at considerable variance from its own.  3-could only be achieved through the denial of an indigenous people his right to self determination in his homeland of many centuries duration  (to be continued)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Israel as is today stands for the triumph of brute force and illegality over fundamental human rights and legality.   Israel is, in the ultimate objective analysis:  1- a successful colonialist project that bore fruit in the decolonization era of modern times; an era that supposedly ushered a more egalitarian world.  2-the outcome of a successful joint Western/Jewish effort to plant a, culturally and demographically, alien nation/state in and on a region and culture at considerable variance from its own.  3-could only be achieved through the denial of an indigenous people his right to self determination in his homeland of many centuries duration  (to be continued)</p>
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		<title>By: OmarIbrahim</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-77747</link>
		<dc:creator>OmarIbrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The delegitimization of Israel is, and should rightly be, the issue par excellence should we all over the world with our varied cultures ever aspire to work together for an equal RIGHTS world.  Any genuine effort at universal, inter cultural and political peace, inter cultural dialogue and mutual understanding hopefully leading to a non confrontation of cultures and  international harmony should have that objective of delegitimizing Israel at the top of its agenda.  (to be continued)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The delegitimization of Israel is, and should rightly be, the issue par excellence should we all over the world with our varied cultures ever aspire to work together for an equal RIGHTS world.  Any genuine effort at universal, inter cultural and political peace, inter cultural dialogue and mutual understanding hopefully leading to a non confrontation of cultures and  international harmony should have that objective of delegitimizing Israel at the top of its agenda.  (to be continued)</p>
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		<title>By: assistance required</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-77746</link>
		<dc:creator>assistance required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, OT, but can anyone advise how to configure Firefox (with AdBlock and NoScript) so that comments display?    Having said that, in IE I can view the comments thread for this post but no others so neither seems to work for me.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, OT, but can anyone advise how to configure Firefox (with AdBlock and NoScript) so that comments display?    Having said that, in IE I can view the comments thread for this post but no others so neither seems to work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70499</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I often wonder about the origins of Christians United for Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have received the organizations literature for a long time, and for many years it looked like standard Zionist hasbara and many of the names associated with the organization seem Jewish. In some places like Kansas City, it seems to have been run out of Jewish Federation offices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is Hagee a creation of the Zionist Lobby just as Madonna is a creation of the music industry?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just throw in some high powered marketing, and it is possible to turn a mediocrity into a superstar. Jabotinskians have always tried to use Christian groups as fronts, and with the Camp David accords, suddenly the Israeli government had lots of unaccounted cash to spend on someone like Hagee in the late 70s.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder about the origins of Christians United for Israel.</p>
<p>I have received the organizations literature for a long time, and for many years it looked like standard Zionist hasbara and many of the names associated with the organization seem Jewish. In some places like Kansas City, it seems to have been run out of Jewish Federation offices.</p>
<p>Is Hagee a creation of the Zionist Lobby just as Madonna is a creation of the music industry?</p>
<p>Just throw in some high powered marketing, and it is possible to turn a mediocrity into a superstar. Jabotinskians have always tried to use Christian groups as fronts, and with the Camp David accords, suddenly the Israeli government had lots of unaccounted cash to spend on someone like Hagee in the late 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: bill Pearlman</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70500</link>
		<dc:creator>bill Pearlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously Joechim our tentacles have somehow missed you. I mean you get our top secret lobby!!!!!!!!! literature. I&#039;m going to personally kick this baby up to the elders in Jerusalem. And come to think of it I think we&#039;ve let you go on for far too long. And since we&#039;re in charge of well, everything, and the rest of the world are unwilling dupes of our machinations. You wouldn&#039;t be much of a problem.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously Joechim our tentacles have somehow missed you. I mean you get our top secret lobby!!!!!!!!! literature. I&#39;m going to personally kick this baby up to the elders in Jerusalem. And come to think of it I think we&#39;ve let you go on for far too long. And since we&#39;re in charge of well, everything, and the rest of the world are unwilling dupes of our machinations. You wouldn&#39;t be much of a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70501</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When one starts watching really closely the neo-con media and their policy recommendations, it is almost easy to predict what kind of propaganda campaigns will follow.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this case, anyone who reads the National Review Online and the Weekly Standard knows that this whole &quot;surge&quot; diversion was conceived really fast as an answer to the Iraq Study Group&#039;s recommendations and the loss of the election. They had to provide an alternative really fast, and after a couple of weeks of numbness when all they could was attack the ISG&#039;s credibility in vain, they did. Within a few days, Kaplan and Kristol got this baby rolling, had an American Enterprise Institute team make a PowerPoint presentation in the White House and a desperate Bush was manipulated into going for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now propaganda takes over. This is how Freedom Watch figures in this pattern, and so does the Pollack-O&#039;Hanlon media blitz of a few weeks ago, preparing the ground for the major event, the slam-dunk, the Petreus &quot;Report&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only good thing that came from the ISG and Baker was that the neocons had to slow down their efforts to get Bush to attack Iran, their number one priority became to end those silly discussions about withdrawal. But once they succeed - hopefully after September and the Petreus &quot;Report&quot; - to end this discussion for now, expect the campaign against Iran to get back to full speed again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is not just the neo-cons btw. It is astonishing to see how the pro-Israel crowd, Left or Right, joins efforts to get the US to do Israel&#039;s bidding. Neo-con publications, Jewish billionaires, liberal commentators, senators like Lieberman, Brookings &quot;scholars&quot;, they all work together in tandem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As Tony Judt has said, &quot;neo-conservatives generate brutish policies for which liberals provide the ethical fig-leaf&quot;. I would add the Jewish billionaires who provide the money needed for the necessary propaganda campaigns.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one starts watching really closely the neo-con media and their policy recommendations, it is almost easy to predict what kind of propaganda campaigns will follow.  </p>
<p>In this case, anyone who reads the National Review Online and the Weekly Standard knows that this whole &quot;surge&quot; diversion was conceived really fast as an answer to the Iraq Study Group&#39;s recommendations and the loss of the election. They had to provide an alternative really fast, and after a couple of weeks of numbness when all they could was attack the ISG&#39;s credibility in vain, they did. Within a few days, Kaplan and Kristol got this baby rolling, had an American Enterprise Institute team make a PowerPoint presentation in the White House and a desperate Bush was manipulated into going for it.</p>
<p>Now propaganda takes over. This is how Freedom Watch figures in this pattern, and so does the Pollack-O&#39;Hanlon media blitz of a few weeks ago, preparing the ground for the major event, the slam-dunk, the Petreus &quot;Report&quot;.</p>
<p>The only good thing that came from the ISG and Baker was that the neocons had to slow down their efforts to get Bush to attack Iran, their number one priority became to end those silly discussions about withdrawal. But once they succeed &#8211; hopefully after September and the Petreus &quot;Report&quot; &#8211; to end this discussion for now, expect the campaign against Iran to get back to full speed again.</p>
<p>It is not just the neo-cons btw. It is astonishing to see how the pro-Israel crowd, Left or Right, joins efforts to get the US to do Israel&#39;s bidding. Neo-con publications, Jewish billionaires, liberal commentators, senators like Lieberman, Brookings &quot;scholars&quot;, they all work together in tandem.</p>
<p>As Tony Judt has said, &quot;neo-conservatives generate brutish policies for which liberals provide the ethical fig-leaf&quot;. I would add the Jewish billionaires who provide the money needed for the necessary propaganda campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: bill Pearlman</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70502</link>
		<dc:creator>bill Pearlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alan: &lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t know how you did this, but you put it all together. Bush isn&#039;t really Bush, he was switched during the 2000 campaign. Kind of an invasion of the body snatchers thing. Now, we, the neocons. which has we all know equals bloodsucking Jew parasite war monger have now seized the reigns of power through the national review and the weekly standard. The ignorant masses think that they&#039;re magazines. But , not  you Alan, they are really instruments that we use to consolidate out control over the banking system. Even if the average America never picks up one of our neferious publications we send out this mind control thing is  so subtle it really doesn&#039;t make a difference. And alan, it&#039;s not going to shock you that it&#039;s all run by the elders in jerusalem, We all get a phone number on our bar mitzvahs. &lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t know how you put the pieces together Alan, but considering the fact that being anti-Israel, pro-hamas, is such a profile in courage that you take your life in your hands, well, has a full fledged member of the lobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I&#039;m going to kick your name up to the elders also. We&#039;ve let you have free reign for too long my friend.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan: <br />
I don&#39;t know how you did this, but you put it all together. Bush isn&#39;t really Bush, he was switched during the 2000 campaign. Kind of an invasion of the body snatchers thing. Now, we, the neocons. which has we all know equals bloodsucking Jew parasite war monger have now seized the reigns of power through the national review and the weekly standard. The ignorant masses think that they&#39;re magazines. But , not  you Alan, they are really instruments that we use to consolidate out control over the banking system. Even if the average America never picks up one of our neferious publications we send out this mind control thing is  so subtle it really doesn&#39;t make a difference. And alan, it&#39;s not going to shock you that it&#39;s all run by the elders in jerusalem, We all get a phone number on our bar mitzvahs. <br />
I don&#39;t know how you put the pieces together Alan, but considering the fact that being anti-Israel, pro-hamas, is such a profile in courage that you take your life in your hands, well, has a full fledged member of the lobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I&#39;m going to kick your name up to the elders also. We&#39;ve let you have free reign for too long my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joachim, I suspect you already know this, but the executive director of Hagee&#039;s Christians United for Israel is David Brog. Brog, author of the recent book, Standing With Israel, is a committed Jew who studied law in Tel Aviv.&lt;br /&gt;
http://davidbrog.com/displayarticlebyauthor.php?id=12&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish Phil would stop conflating religion with ethnic tribalism. With exceptions, the Israel-firsters are completely secular. Go to that video of the Christian Zionist convention if you want to see people whose ideology is religiously based. We&#039;re talking about something very different here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suspect Phil was just trying to avoid the whole minefield of &quot;is-it-a-religion-no-it&#039;s-a-race-no-it&#039;s-an-ethnicity&quot;; but sooner or later we&#039;re going to have to discuss just what it really is, and it doesn&#039;t help to use language sloppily.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joachim, I suspect you already know this, but the executive director of Hagee&#39;s Christians United for Israel is David Brog. Brog, author of the recent book, Standing With Israel, is a committed Jew who studied law in Tel Aviv.<br />
<a href="http://davidbrog.com/displayarticlebyauthor.php?id=12</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to davidbrog.com</a></p>
<p>I wish Phil would stop conflating religion with ethnic tribalism. With exceptions, the Israel-firsters are completely secular. Go to that video of the Christian Zionist convention if you want to see people whose ideology is religiously based. We&#39;re talking about something very different here.</p>
<p>I suspect Phil was just trying to avoid the whole minefield of &quot;is-it-a-religion-no-it&#39;s-a-race-no-it&#39;s-an-ethnicity&quot;; but sooner or later we&#39;re going to have to discuss just what it really is, and it doesn&#39;t help to use language sloppily.</p>
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		<title>By: bill Pearlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill Pearlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, Lets discuss the Moslems for a second. Are they are a race, a religion, or a just a death cult. One other thing. I would say that AIPACS anual budget is probably smaller than what the Saudi Royal family drops on casinos and blond hookers during a typical weekend. What say you.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Lets discuss the Moslems for a second. Are they are a race, a religion, or a just a death cult. One other thing. I would say that AIPACS anual budget is probably smaller than what the Saudi Royal family drops on casinos and blond hookers during a typical weekend. What say you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/only-the-jta-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-70505</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &quot;surge&quot; was the brainchild of Kristol and Kagan, at least publicly - meaning I wouldn&#039;t dismiss the possibility that someone in Israel came up with it and Kristol then presented the idea in the Weekly Standard. Then Kagan and a few others went to the White House and did that PowerPoint presentation to Bush. Then Bush decided to go for it. This is all in the public record. See for example:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HL22Ak01.html &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then we had Kimberly Kagan (supposedly) writing the glorious &quot;surge&quot; reports for the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now we have Freedom Watch running those ridiculous ads in support of the &quot;surge&quot;. And it has been reported who is behind this. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the liberal commentators providing the fig-leaf, take your pick! Too many to choose from. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the Brookings Institution? Pollack-O&#039;Hanlon? Read Glenn Greenwald&#039;s &quot;The truth behind the Pollack-O&#039;Hanlon trip to Iraq&quot;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/12/ohanlon/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the upcoming Petreus &quot;Report&quot;? Here is Greenwald again on this guy&#039;s credibility:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/19/petraeus/index.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;surge&quot; was the brainchild of Kristol and Kagan, at least publicly &#8211; meaning I wouldn&#39;t dismiss the possibility that someone in Israel came up with it and Kristol then presented the idea in the Weekly Standard. Then Kagan and a few others went to the White House and did that PowerPoint presentation to Bush. Then Bush decided to go for it. This is all in the public record. See for example:</p>
<p>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HL22Ak01.html </p>
<p>Then we had Kimberly Kagan (supposedly) writing the glorious &quot;surge&quot; reports for the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal.</p>
<p>Now we have Freedom Watch running those ridiculous ads in support of the &quot;surge&quot;. And it has been reported who is behind this. </p>
<p>As for the liberal commentators providing the fig-leaf, take your pick! Too many to choose from. </p>
<p>And the Brookings Institution? Pollack-O&#39;Hanlon? Read Glenn Greenwald&#39;s &quot;The truth behind the Pollack-O&#39;Hanlon trip to Iraq&quot;:</p>
<p>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/12/ohanlon/</p>
<p>And the upcoming Petreus &quot;Report&quot;? Here is Greenwald again on this guy&#39;s credibility:</p>
<p>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/19/petraeus/index.html</p>
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