Mitt Romney Distances Himself From His Church’s Intolerance

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In a testy exchange with a Christian radio host, Mitt Romney bridled at being linked to Mormon church doctrine on abortion and other fundamental concerns. "I’m not running as a Mormon," Romney said, "and I get a little
tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon."

I admire what Romney’s maybe trying to do. To show that he’s evolved, that he isn’t limited by some idiotic religious doctrine. It is what Mario Cuomo did in 1984, when he went to Notre Dame to say that he would separate his private beliefs on abortion from his role as a policymaker. It is what JFK did at Houston in 1960, assuring America that he wouldn’t take his cue from the Vatican.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
nor Jewish — where no public official either requests or accepts instructions
on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any
other ecclesiastical source — where no religious body seeks to impose
its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public
acts of its officials…

Beautiful. One of the amazing possibilities in Walt and Mearsheimer’s forthcoming outing of the Israel lobby is that it could at last place the issue of the deed that the Bible grants Jews to the Holy Land–a piece of religious devotion as formidable as fundamentalist Christian teaching on abortion and gay rights, but more dangerous–in the public square, and offer Jewish politicians an opportunity to distance themselves from it.

8 Responses

  1. bill Pearlman
    August 5, 2007, 10:21 am

    So basically what your looking for is a something out of the Godfather where Michael Corleone renounces satan. Because Judaism and Israel are really the spawns of Satan. But, can we really trust those wily shifty yids to do that and be truthful. I think not Phil.

  2. Alma
    August 5, 2007, 10:29 am

    Did you and I watch the same video? I didn't see Romney trying to distance himself from Mormonism, I saw him telling a radio host that the radio host's perception of Mormon beliefs was bogus.

  3. Denis Drew
    August 5, 2007, 7:59 pm

    "a piece of religious devotion as formidable as fundamentalist Christian teaching on abortion"

    Religious devotion?; like the belief in the Trinity?;or is a secular anti-abortion position possible? Phil dear:

    Law like writing maketh the precise thinker, so let us give current abortion jurisprudence a quick look:

    Assuming privacy is in the Constitution (it is certainly within legislative concern) it takes a compelling interest to override what Roe called a fundamental privacy right.

    Mm; even possible human life in the womb sounds compelling to me — hands down; who could argue. So what was Roe's position on the substantive weight of the unborn life in the opposite balance: NONE AT ALL! Most quoted professor Laurence Tribe: "…the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found." (HLR, Vol. 87:1, p.7)

    Roe apparently couldn't explain why certain human life in the womb (is certain for more than half of pregnancy) or even possible life is not compelling, so…

    …Roe switched off from the compelling test from the last moment to what I call Roe's "consensus test": "In view of all this [of five undigested surveys], we do not agree that just by adopting one theory of life, Texas may override the rights of the pregnant woman that are at stake."

    Seems like abortions biggest, most law trained advocates struck out trying to come up with a logical rationale for constitutional abortion rights (even assuming privacy in the Constitution)

    But as so often with the secular humanist crowd (nothing wrong with that in itself) any showing of a "sacred standard" (another example: military uniform) upends your expectation of automatic primacy based on intellectual battlefield performance only and therefore seems to threaten you guys no end.

    Saw another example the other day when one Stolz (I believe) at the Kos convention was so outraged with a military man confronting his way of thinking while in uniform that Stolz stormed out and said he would try to get the Iraq veteran discharged. It may be illegal for a soldier to do politics in uniform (is Kos politics?) but what does he care; why so completely worked up?

  4. Bill Fitzgerald
    August 5, 2007, 9:47 pm

    What video did you watch? You are completely misunderstood or are deliberately smearing romney. Go to Romney Defends his Faith on the Mitt Romney web page. 57 of the 60 blogs praise him about the interview. A few say they have changed their mind and will now vote for him. They were confused by the media and people like you.

  5. Maurice
    August 6, 2007, 11:49 pm

    If we had a homosexual candidate for President, Phil would want to know that he is against dick sucking

  6. Joachim Martillo
    August 7, 2007, 5:32 pm

    A Misinterpretation of the Covenant

    "One of the amazing possibilities in Walt and Mearsheimer's forthcoming outing of the Israel lobby is that it could at last place the issue of the deed that the Bible grants Jews to the Holy Land–a piece of religious devotion as formidable as fundamentalist Christian teaching on abortion and gay rights, but more dangerous–in the public square, and offer Jewish politicians an opportunity to distance themselves from it."

    The Biblical text describes no such grant of Palestine to the Jews.

    2nd Temple Judaism has a surviving remnant theology comparable to Roman Olympian theology of the same time period as described in Virgil's Aeniad.

    In a nutshell, God makes a covenant with Abraham that is passed from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob/Israel. If the Children of Israel keep that statutes, they will possess the Land of Israel as an inheritance. If they fail to keep the statutes, they will be punished with exile and horrible torments.

    The Children of Israel did not keep the statutes and were punished with exile and torments.

    The covenant is fulfilled by the shattering of the David State.

    There is no escape clause from this situation except for the mercy of God.

    God shows mercy, allows a remnant of Israel, the survivors of the Judahite kingdom to return from exile, the Zadokite Priesthood is restored, and the mantle of Messiahship passes from the legendary House of David to the Persian monarchs. The surviving remnant of Israel becomes a nation of priests administered by a Persian sponsored elite while political temporal rule is the responsibility of the Persian Empire in which the province of Yehud is integrated.

    When the Persian Empire falls to the Greeks another priestly group lead by the Hasmoneans seizes power in Judea and displaces the Persian sponsored elite. The Samarian Persian sponsored elite is initially more flexible and manages to develop an arrangement with the Hellenistic rulers until the Hasmoneans defeat the Samarians, destroy the Samarian Temple and impose the Jerusalem Temple religion throughout Palestine (with some qualifications).

    The Hasmoneans politically combine suffering servant theology with resistance to Greek oppression to justify their assumption of temporal and religious authority. In this theology, even though Israel no longer has any right to the Land of Israel under the ancient covenant, the new kings of Judea rule the suffering remnant of Israel by the mercy of God.

    The Hasmoneans and Herodian successors embark on construction of roads to integrate Palestine and facilitate pilgrimage while expanding the Temple religion to raise money from the host (laos) of worshippers of the high God El or Yahweh throughout the Middle East. Popular religion develops strong apocalyptic currents possibly under the influence of Edomites and other populations in Palestine recently brought under the Jerusalem Temple.

    After the crushing of the Judean Rebellions in 70 and then 135, the Temple religion shatters and splits into an apocalyptic version that incorporates the dying God theology with Jesus as suffering servant to create Christianity while the peasantry looks for redemption in the Jamesian formulation of Jesus mission of humility (Islam — see link to eaazi.blogspot.com ). Much later and to some extent as a result of the crystallization of Orthodox Christianity and Islam, proto-Rabbinic and proto-Karaite versions of Judaism develop and focus on overcoming the spiritual alienation of God from man by accepting the yoke of the law and fulfilling the law under the guidance of Rabbinic or Karaite sages.

    There is an evolution of religion in Judah/Yehud/Judea from a focus on Torah+House of David (with covenantal theology) to Torah+Temple, Torah+Apocalyptic Redemption (Christianity), Torah+Humility (Islam), Torah+Alienation (Rabbinic+Karaite Judaism).

    In all cases the operation of the Israelite covenant means that the remnant of Israel has no continued right to Palestine whatsoever.

  7. James
    August 8, 2007, 4:09 am

    Joachim – Do you believe in God?

  8. lester
    August 8, 2007, 3:41 pm

    I don't think there is anything so cerebral in romneys spat with the radio guy. I think he has decided that his faith isn't an issue and people should have that view and if not he'll yell at them. So if I am freaked out by the magic mormon underpants, I might as well go to guantanamo. Same with his abortion thing. He's decided FOR YOU, that his stance is genuine. this is not someone who should be our president.

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