Comments on: The Chicago Tribune Calls Silencing of Walt/Mearsheimer a Free-Speech Issue http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:18:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: bill pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70673 bill pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70673 <p>What part of the Jewish community would you be a member of Phil, please enlighten me. </p> What part of the Jewish community would you be a member of Phil, please enlighten me.

]]> By: Itzaak http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70674 Itzaak Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70674 <p>Facinating comment above. I don't know about you bill pearlman, but I am part of the jewish community that is sick of the antics of the ADL and their genocide denial -- in our name. Which is to say I am a proud practicing Jew.</p> <p>Bill, Are you part of a community that is exceptionalism when it comes to genocide?! That is a pretty small and low slice.</p> Facinating comment above. I don't know about you bill pearlman, but I am part of the jewish community that is sick of the antics of the ADL and their genocide denial — in our name. Which is to say I am a proud practicing Jew.

Bill, Are you part of a community that is exceptionalism when it comes to genocide?! That is a pretty small and low slice.

]]> By: bill pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70675 bill pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70675 <p>I'm not a fan of the ADL, and I restate, how did a genocide carried out by Turkish Moslems become a Jewish issue, but i digress. Phil is not a proud practicing Jew. He just isn't. And in fact is an advocate of Jewish exinguishment by assimilation and the destruction of Israel. I ask again. what Jewish community is Phil saying that he belongs to, I don't see it. Please explain.</p> I'm not a fan of the ADL, and I restate, how did a genocide carried out by Turkish Moslems become a Jewish issue, but i digress. Phil is not a proud practicing Jew. He just isn't. And in fact is an advocate of Jewish exinguishment by assimilation and the destruction of Israel. I ask again. what Jewish community is Phil saying that he belongs to, I don't see it. Please explain.

]]> By: Joachim Martillo http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70676 Joachim Martillo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70676 <p>An interesting juxtaposition from the Trib article.</p> <p>"But Todd Winer, a spokesman for the Chicago chapter of the American Jewish Council, said his organization would likely not dignify Mearsheimer and Walt's book -- which he called 'shoddy scholarship that doesn't really present anything new' -- with the attention that would come along with a forum.</p> <p>"'The whole idea that they're somehow being censored is a bit of a stretch, given that they're publishing a book by a major American publisher,' Winer said, referring to the New York publishing company of Farrar, Straus and Giroux."</p> <p>If the AJC and the Israel Lobby cannot stop Walt and Mearsheimer's book, they will do all they can to stop the marketing events, and then claim that there is no issue of thwarting free speech.</p> <p>BTW, I noticed yesterday that Zell's purchase of the Trib may not go through because of the liquidity crunch.</p> <p>Could this problem relate to the late and surprising appearance of this article?</p> <p><br /> </p> An interesting juxtaposition from the Trib article.

"But Todd Winer, a spokesman for the Chicago chapter of the American Jewish Council, said his organization would likely not dignify Mearsheimer and Walt's book — which he called 'shoddy scholarship that doesn't really present anything new' — with the attention that would come along with a forum.

"'The whole idea that they're somehow being censored is a bit of a stretch, given that they're publishing a book by a major American publisher,' Winer said, referring to the New York publishing company of Farrar, Straus and Giroux."

If the AJC and the Israel Lobby cannot stop Walt and Mearsheimer's book, they will do all they can to stop the marketing events, and then claim that there is no issue of thwarting free speech.

BTW, I noticed yesterday that Zell's purchase of the Trib may not go through because of the liquidity crunch.

Could this problem relate to the late and surprising appearance of this article?

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70677 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70677 <p>What they should do is get some second rate reporter to cover this in a really boring way. All this sort of thing does is build up suspense and grass roots tension. totally counterproductive as is Foxman and dershowitz's bellyaching.</p> <p>bill- so before the founding of Israel in 1948 there were no jews anywhere? or is judaism not at all contingent on supoprt for that country</p> What they should do is get some second rate reporter to cover this in a really boring way. All this sort of thing does is build up suspense and grass roots tension. totally counterproductive as is Foxman and dershowitz's bellyaching.

bill- so before the founding of Israel in 1948 there were no jews anywhere? or is judaism not at all contingent on supoprt for that country

]]> By: Levy http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70678 Levy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70678 <p>"how did a genocide carried out by Turkish Moslems become a Jewish issue,"?</p> <p>It became an issue when the Peres government decided to push the AJC, the Wiesenthal Centre, AIPAC and its "Washington Institute for Near East Policy" and the ADL to lobby on behalf of Turkey.</p> <p>Jewish American relations with Armenian Americans and Greek Americans had been excellent since we all fled to the US until this strong arming out of Jerusalem. Those relations with two other powerful ethnic lobbies in the US are now in serious disarray with our side having proactively decided to oppose their interests on issues like the Armenian Genocide and the persecution of the Greek Americans' religious leader in Istanbul.</p> "how did a genocide carried out by Turkish Moslems become a Jewish issue,"?

It became an issue when the Peres government decided to push the AJC, the Wiesenthal Centre, AIPAC and its "Washington Institute for Near East Policy" and the ADL to lobby on behalf of Turkey.

Jewish American relations with Armenian Americans and Greek Americans had been excellent since we all fled to the US until this strong arming out of Jerusalem. Those relations with two other powerful ethnic lobbies in the US are now in serious disarray with our side having proactively decided to oppose their interests on issues like the Armenian Genocide and the persecution of the Greek Americans' religious leader in Istanbul.

]]> By: bill pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70679 bill pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70679 <p>Actually Lester there were a lot more in 1939 has opposed to 1945. Something that makes you happy but I digress. Phil is an atheist who observes absolutely nothing and believes in nothing. Throw that together with his opposition to the existence of Israel and i fail to see what jewish community he is a member of.</p> <p>Levy:<br /> Personally, I don't see what Greeks have to do with this. Ever since the Greek jewish community got obliterated in the holocaust they've been both anti-American and anti-Israel. Second, the Armenian genocide is part of history. Only Arabs like to change historical facts, What do you think should be done here, why is a genocide, commited by MOSLEMS on CHRISTIANS, in any way a Jewish/Israeli problem.</p> Actually Lester there were a lot more in 1939 has opposed to 1945. Something that makes you happy but I digress. Phil is an atheist who observes absolutely nothing and believes in nothing. Throw that together with his opposition to the existence of Israel and i fail to see what jewish community he is a member of.

Levy:
Personally, I don't see what Greeks have to do with this. Ever since the Greek jewish community got obliterated in the holocaust they've been both anti-American and anti-Israel. Second, the Armenian genocide is part of history. Only Arabs like to change historical facts, What do you think should be done here, why is a genocide, commited by MOSLEMS on CHRISTIANS, in any way a Jewish/Israeli problem.

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70680 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70680 <p>two fer - pearlmans dancing around the genocide denial issue is an example of the dishonest character of those who work on the israel lobby's behalf and this story is an example of the very power that "the israel lobby" seeks to tell us about.</p> two fer – pearlmans dancing around the genocide denial issue is an example of the dishonest character of those who work on the israel lobby's behalf and this story is an example of the very power that "the israel lobby" seeks to tell us about.

]]> By: Montag http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70681 Montag Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70681 <p>This only displays the intelligence of the Israeli government--after all, whoever heard of Armenians bearing a grudge? It's like those brainiacs were just walking along and saw a pit filled with poisonous snakes and just said, "What the Hell, let's jump in--what could happen?"</p> <p>It just shows how little regard they have for U.S. Jews, like they're all supposed to click their heels and salute every time Olmert breaks wind. </p> <p>In the "Gentlemen's Agreement" deed restrictions that were proved to be legally unenforceable, Armenians were often included with Jews as people whom you weren't allowed to resell your house to.</p> This only displays the intelligence of the Israeli government–after all, whoever heard of Armenians bearing a grudge? It's like those brainiacs were just walking along and saw a pit filled with poisonous snakes and just said, "What the Hell, let's jump in–what could happen?"

It just shows how little regard they have for U.S. Jews, like they're all supposed to click their heels and salute every time Olmert breaks wind.

In the "Gentlemen's Agreement" deed restrictions that were proved to be legally unenforceable, Armenians were often included with Jews as people whom you weren't allowed to resell your house to.

]]> By: Big Wave Dave http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/the-chicago-tri.html/comment-page-1#comment-70682 Big Wave Dave Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/21/the-chicago-tri.html#comment-70682 <p>Wouldn't America be a much better place if, prior to accepting a speaking engagement or scheduling a book tour, the speaker or author were required to get an ADL stamp of approval for his scholarship or political views? Wouldn't that save the leaders of our academic institutions from these awful situations where their political courage and commitment to American ideals are revealed to be no deeper than those of a common American congressman?</p> Wouldn't America be a much better place if, prior to accepting a speaking engagement or scheduling a book tour, the speaker or author were required to get an ADL stamp of approval for his scholarship or political views? Wouldn't that save the leaders of our academic institutions from these awful situations where their political courage and commitment to American ideals are revealed to be no deeper than those of a common American congressman?

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