Comments on: Walt and Mearsheimer Banned in Chicago http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 21:18:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Another Philip Weiss http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70888 Another Philip Weiss Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70888 <p>While it is unfortunate that their speech has been canceled, it's hardly a "banning."</p> <p>Someone else could very easily step in and offer to sponsor the speech.</p> While it is unfortunate that their speech has been canceled, it's hardly a "banning."

Someone else could very easily step in and offer to sponsor the speech.

]]> By: freespeechlover http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70889 freespeechlover Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70889 <p>another Philip Weiss or just Philip Weiss--I have a question. Why do you think someone else doesn't step up immediately if only to clarify their commitment to freedom of speech? I'm not being snotty; I really want to know what you think. </p> another Philip Weiss or just Philip Weiss–I have a question. Why do you think someone else doesn't step up immediately if only to clarify their commitment to freedom of speech? I'm not being snotty; I really want to know what you think.

]]> By: Alan http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70890 Alan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70890 <p>These are Pyrrhic victories. In situations like these, the issue is much bigger than Israel or the Lobby. Having any special interest sabotaging this kind of events with prominent academics (remember Tony Judt a few months ago) is outrageous and will alarm many who might otherwise sympathise with Israel or who don't even give a damn about politics at all. This is so anti-American that there is no chance it won't backfire, sooner or later. </p> <p>Once again, this only reveals the short-sightedness of a great part of the fanatically-pro-Israel-no-matter-what Jewish Elite in this country. And it strengthens my thesis that what is today perceived (perversely) as good for Israel has become bad and dangerous for Jews everywhere.</p> These are Pyrrhic victories. In situations like these, the issue is much bigger than Israel or the Lobby. Having any special interest sabotaging this kind of events with prominent academics (remember Tony Judt a few months ago) is outrageous and will alarm many who might otherwise sympathise with Israel or who don't even give a damn about politics at all. This is so anti-American that there is no chance it won't backfire, sooner or later.

Once again, this only reveals the short-sightedness of a great part of the fanatically-pro-Israel-no-matter-what Jewish Elite in this country. And it strengthens my thesis that what is today perceived (perversely) as good for Israel has become bad and dangerous for Jews everywhere.

]]> By: David http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70891 David Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70891 <p>If public reaction to this kind of thing threatens to get out of hand, maybe Dan Fleshler could start a "Jews for free speech" petition.<br /> </p> If public reaction to this kind of thing threatens to get out of hand, maybe Dan Fleshler could start a "Jews for free speech" petition.

]]> By: Jack http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70892 Jack Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70892 <p>I think your all missing the point. Chicago World Affairs Council is a contemptible body of elite opinion, and I happen to know through a very good mutual friend of mine and Mearsheimer that they've despised him long before his article, basically ever since he was right and they were wrong about the Iraq War in 2002.</p> I think your all missing the point. Chicago World Affairs Council is a contemptible body of elite opinion, and I happen to know through a very good mutual friend of mine and Mearsheimer that they've despised him long before his article, basically ever since he was right and they were wrong about the Iraq War in 2002.

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70893 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70893 <p>"These opponents of the event argued that the two political scientists could only address the Chicago Council if someone from the opposing side, "</p> <p>why? </p> <p>“such as Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, concurrently appeared on stage with the authors."</p> <p>aaigh! I guess you weren't counting on armenian participation</p> "These opponents of the event argued that the two political scientists could only address the Chicago Council if someone from the opposing side, "

why?

“such as Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, concurrently appeared on stage with the authors."

aaigh! I guess you weren't counting on armenian participation

]]> By: Montag http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70894 Montag Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70894 <p>This is what's known as "The Heckler's Veto." The principle is that if ANYONE in the audience could possibly find the views expressed at the event objectionable, then instead of allowing that person their inalienable right to leave you simply cancel the event entirely. Sometimes a threat of violence is involved, as when the Nazis used it. During showings of the anti-war movie, "All Quiet On The Western Front" they would cause commotions by releasing mice in the theatre, etc. The principle is the same.</p> This is what's known as "The Heckler's Veto." The principle is that if ANYONE in the audience could possibly find the views expressed at the event objectionable, then instead of allowing that person their inalienable right to leave you simply cancel the event entirely. Sometimes a threat of violence is involved, as when the Nazis used it. During showings of the anti-war movie, "All Quiet On The Western Front" they would cause commotions by releasing mice in the theatre, etc. The principle is the same.

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70895 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70895 <p>As Another Phil Weiss says, why does nobody?</p> <p>Have organizers tried? Is this real, or a self produced myth? Hard to believe there's no other space neither in Chicago nor in New York? Simply a problem in communications?</p> <p>Bill Pearlman, you seem to be from Chicago?</p> <p>What do you think?</p> As Another Phil Weiss says, why does nobody?

Have organizers tried? Is this real, or a self produced myth? Hard to believe there's no other space neither in Chicago nor in New York? Simply a problem in communications?

Bill Pearlman, you seem to be from Chicago?

What do you think?

]]> By: bill Pearlman http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70896 bill Pearlman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70896 <p>Actually Leander I spent 20 yrs in Chicago. ( great city ) Never heard of the Global council and I was ususally pretty involved in this kind of stuff. Look, I don't really give a shit one way or another but to put forth the idea that two guys who just got a major book deal are being censored is a litttle disingenuos don't you think. The same way I can't turn on my TV without seeing Jimmy Carters mug. Has I understand it they wanted an opposing viewpoint, Make it more like a debate. What's wrong with that.</p> Actually Leander I spent 20 yrs in Chicago. ( great city ) Never heard of the Global council and I was ususally pretty involved in this kind of stuff. Look, I don't really give a shit one way or another but to put forth the idea that two guys who just got a major book deal are being censored is a litttle disingenuos don't you think. The same way I can't turn on my TV without seeing Jimmy Carters mug. Has I understand it they wanted an opposing viewpoint, Make it more like a debate. What's wrong with that.

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2007/08/walt-and-mearsh-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-70897 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/08/10/walt-and-mearsh-4.html#comment-70897 <p>bill. can i come to your synagogue and read from the new testament? So there's an opposing point of view</p> bill. can i come to your synagogue and read from the new testament? So there's an opposing point of view

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