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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The Jungle,&#8217; &#8216;Silent Spring,&#8217; &#8216;Unsafe at Any Speed&#8217;&#8211;And Now, &#8216;The Israel Lobby&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70295</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A German edition (and I guess other European ones) was also published today. There seems to be a coordinated, conspirational publication policy about this book - it&#039;s a Harry Potter like event.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And btw, where did I read the authors got a $ 700 000 advance? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A German edition (and I guess other European ones) was also published today. There seems to be a coordinated, conspirational publication policy about this book &#8211; it&#39;s a Harry Potter like event.</p>
<p>And btw, where did I read the authors got a $ 700 000 advance? </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I think some of the rage against them in the press has to do with the fact that they have scooped the mainstream press on one of the biggest stories of our time.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rage will not be because they were scooped, but because they are being shown to be just another part of the Lobby. I don&#039;t think we&#039;re going to see the Friedmans, Remnicks, Peretzs, Cohens, Pollacks, Goldbergs, Millers, Safires, Krauthammers, Brooks, Kristols, ad infinitum, come out and say, &quot;Yeah, M&amp;W are right: We used our positions of power to hobble the public discussion of Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is the same reason that the media is unable to discuss the &quot;misuse of intelligence&quot; in the build-up to the war. To discuss the lies behind the war, you have to be willing to discuss the truth.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I think some of the rage against them in the press has to do with the fact that they have scooped the mainstream press on one of the biggest stories of our time.&quot;</p>
<p>The rage will not be because they were scooped, but because they are being shown to be just another part of the Lobby. I don&#39;t think we&#39;re going to see the Friedmans, Remnicks, Peretzs, Cohens, Pollacks, Goldbergs, Millers, Safires, Krauthammers, Brooks, Kristols, ad infinitum, come out and say, &quot;Yeah, M&amp;W are right: We used our positions of power to hobble the public discussion of Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>This is the same reason that the media is unable to discuss the &quot;misuse of intelligence&quot; in the build-up to the war. To discuss the lies behind the war, you have to be willing to discuss the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70297</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judging from the original article I think the latent rage probably comes from the fact that there is now a &#039;Who is Who in the Israel Lobby&#039; on the market. And every individual and organization listed there considers it a denunciation. It&#039;s probably a useful manual for every journalist who is not so familiar with Jewish/Israeli-American politics. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the original article I think the latent rage probably comes from the fact that there is now a &#39;Who is Who in the Israel Lobby&#39; on the market. And every individual and organization listed there considers it a denunciation. It&#39;s probably a useful manual for every journalist who is not so familiar with Jewish/Israeli-American politics. </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Brackley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Brackley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Terry Gross interviewed Walt on Fresh Air today (broadcast by many NPR stations).  She followed this with an interview with Foxman.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since Walt had already rebutted the points Foxman made, Foxman came across very ineffectively.  His principal concern, which seems genuine, is that letting these long-in the-closet views out into the mainstream legitimizes them.  Foxman&#039;s perspective, which is reflective of much of his generation, makes little sense today and only makes the problem worse. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Gross interviewed Walt on Fresh Air today (broadcast by many NPR stations).  She followed this with an interview with Foxman.</p>
<p>Since Walt had already rebutted the points Foxman made, Foxman came across very ineffectively.  His principal concern, which seems genuine, is that letting these long-in the-closet views out into the mainstream legitimizes them.  Foxman&#39;s perspective, which is reflective of much of his generation, makes little sense today and only makes the problem worse. </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Brackley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70299</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Brackley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s an audio link to the Fresh Air interview at the top of the page linked below:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14154082&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s an audio link to the Fresh Air interview at the top of the page linked below:</p>
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<p>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14154082</p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70300</link>
		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very enthusiastic endorsement, Phil.  But I wonder, how different is it, really, from George Ball&#039;s book, &quot;The Passionate Attachment, America&#039;s Involvement with Israel, 1947 to the Present?&quot;  Published in 1992 by a former Undersecretary of State, the effect that book has had on policy these past 15 years was essentially nil, even though it was written in circumspect, respectful tones with an insider&#039;s perspective.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very enthusiastic endorsement, Phil.  But I wonder, how different is it, really, from George Ball&#39;s book, &quot;The Passionate Attachment, America&#39;s Involvement with Israel, 1947 to the Present?&quot;  Published in 1992 by a former Undersecretary of State, the effect that book has had on policy these past 15 years was essentially nil, even though it was written in circumspect, respectful tones with an insider&#39;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Fingerhut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Fingerhut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Philip,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hi, this is Eric Fingerhut from the Washington Jewish Week. I appreciate you citing my reporting, but I must correct a few things in your post. First of all, Chris Van Hollen was elected in 2002 and that election had nothing to do with the Iraq War. In fact, his Republican opponent, incumbent Connie Morella, voted against the war. The primary reason Van Hollen won, in addition to him being a good candidate, was that Morella was a Republican (a very liberal one, but still a Republican) in a heavily Democratic district that had become even more Democratic after redistricting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Second, Van Hollen&#039;s lettter was actually first reported by Robert Novak in a column that appeared in the Washington Post. It is true and surprising that other than my coverage, hardly anyone else wrote about the ensuing controversy, but I found out about the letter from reading Novak&#039;s column.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Third, Mearsheimer and Walt characterize Van Hollen&#039;s follow-up letter as an &quot;apology.&quot; If you read the letter (and apparently Walt and Mearsheimer didn&#039;t), I don&#039;t think that&#039;s an accurate characterization of it at all. Van Hollen apologized for the way people interpreted the letter and for some ambiguity that may have created some confusion on a particular point, but not for anything in it. In fact, here&#039;s  part of what I wrote at the time:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“I am sorry if my strong criticism of the Bush Administration’s failures has been interpreted as a criticism of Israel’s conduct in the current crisis,” he  wrote. “That was certainly not my intention.”&lt;br /&gt;
Van Hollen’s clarification did not disavow any of his earlier statements, but primarily addressed what he called “misinterpretations” of two specific points: his suggestion that the U.S. should have asked Israel to limit its attacks to “clear, identifiable Hezbollah military assets,” and his call for an “immediate cease-fire.” &lt;br /&gt;
On the first point, Van Hollen noted the many times his initial letter called Israel’s attacks justified or blamed Hezbollah for civilian deaths in Lebanon. &lt;br /&gt;
He said that he intentionally did not use the term “disproportionate force because I believe the extent and level of force used is justified.” &lt;br /&gt;
Instead, he said he was suggesting that if the U.S. had asked Israel to “temporarily slow down” its offensive and used “effective diplomacy” early in the crisis when the Lebanese people and many in the Arab world were faulting Hezbollah, that group could have been politically isolated and international pressure could have been focused on Iran and Syria.&lt;br /&gt;
“I may be wrong about that. We will never know,” he wrote, but he points out that Arab public opinion has turned and the terrorist group is seen “as the protector of Lebanon.”&lt;br /&gt;
On the latter issue, Van Hollen admitted that “some ambiguity in my letter has created understandable confusion.”&lt;br /&gt;
He said he supported a cease-fire only accompanied by “the rapid deployment of an international force in southern Lebanon” that would allow Israeli troops to stay in place until the international force arrived — a framework similar to what was agreed to by the United Nations Security Council and both sides late last week.&lt;br /&gt;
He concludes the four-page statement, longer than his original three-page letter to Rice, by stating that “You may dispute certain policy conclusions that I reach, but I hope you won’t question my motivation. While we may disagree on certain points, we share the common goal of ensuring that the United States and Israel will prevail in the war on terror and in guaranteeing the long-term survival and vitality of the State of Israel.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That strikes me as a clarification, not an apology.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, I suppose I would ask you: if &quot;The Lobby&quot; is allegedly so intent on shutting down any criticism or debate on Israel, then why would a Jewish newspaper be the only place to report this story? Wouldn&#039;t the Jewish press be the first place to enforce the party line? Doesn&#039;t this undermine Walt and Mearsheimer&#039;s thesis?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>Hi, this is Eric Fingerhut from the Washington Jewish Week. I appreciate you citing my reporting, but I must correct a few things in your post. First of all, Chris Van Hollen was elected in 2002 and that election had nothing to do with the Iraq War. In fact, his Republican opponent, incumbent Connie Morella, voted against the war. The primary reason Van Hollen won, in addition to him being a good candidate, was that Morella was a Republican (a very liberal one, but still a Republican) in a heavily Democratic district that had become even more Democratic after redistricting.</p>
<p>Second, Van Hollen&#39;s lettter was actually first reported by Robert Novak in a column that appeared in the Washington Post. It is true and surprising that other than my coverage, hardly anyone else wrote about the ensuing controversy, but I found out about the letter from reading Novak&#39;s column.</p>
<p>Third, Mearsheimer and Walt characterize Van Hollen&#39;s follow-up letter as an &quot;apology.&quot; If you read the letter (and apparently Walt and Mearsheimer didn&#39;t), I don&#39;t think that&#39;s an accurate characterization of it at all. Van Hollen apologized for the way people interpreted the letter and for some ambiguity that may have created some confusion on a particular point, but not for anything in it. In fact, here&#39;s  part of what I wrote at the time:</p>
<p>“I am sorry if my strong criticism of the Bush Administration’s failures has been interpreted as a criticism of Israel’s conduct in the current crisis,” he  wrote. “That was certainly not my intention.”<br />
Van Hollen’s clarification did not disavow any of his earlier statements, but primarily addressed what he called “misinterpretations” of two specific points: his suggestion that the U.S. should have asked Israel to limit its attacks to “clear, identifiable Hezbollah military assets,” and his call for an “immediate cease-fire.” <br />
On the first point, Van Hollen noted the many times his initial letter called Israel’s attacks justified or blamed Hezbollah for civilian deaths in Lebanon. <br />
He said that he intentionally did not use the term “disproportionate force because I believe the extent and level of force used is justified.” <br />
Instead, he said he was suggesting that if the U.S. had asked Israel to “temporarily slow down” its offensive and used “effective diplomacy” early in the crisis when the Lebanese people and many in the Arab world were faulting Hezbollah, that group could have been politically isolated and international pressure could have been focused on Iran and Syria.<br />
“I may be wrong about that. We will never know,” he wrote, but he points out that Arab public opinion has turned and the terrorist group is seen “as the protector of Lebanon.”<br />
On the latter issue, Van Hollen admitted that “some ambiguity in my letter has created understandable confusion.”<br />
He said he supported a cease-fire only accompanied by “the rapid deployment of an international force in southern Lebanon” that would allow Israeli troops to stay in place until the international force arrived — a framework similar to what was agreed to by the United Nations Security Council and both sides late last week.<br />
He concludes the four-page statement, longer than his original three-page letter to Rice, by stating that “You may dispute certain policy conclusions that I reach, but I hope you won’t question my motivation. While we may disagree on certain points, we share the common goal of ensuring that the United States and Israel will prevail in the war on terror and in guaranteeing the long-term survival and vitality of the State of Israel.”</p>
<p>That strikes me as a clarification, not an apology.</p>
<p>Finally, I suppose I would ask you: if &quot;The Lobby&quot; is allegedly so intent on shutting down any criticism or debate on Israel, then why would a Jewish newspaper be the only place to report this story? Wouldn&#39;t the Jewish press be the first place to enforce the party line? Doesn&#39;t this undermine Walt and Mearsheimer&#39;s thesis?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric Fingerhut wrote: &quot;But there were no marks found on his body.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Fingerhut wrote: &quot;But there were no marks found on his body.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/walt-and-mearsh-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-70303</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mr. Fingerhut might also have quoted this part of his original report:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;But other constituents, while stating that they appreciated Van Hollen&#039;s attempt at clarification, still faulted the new letter for falling short in some areas. ... He needs to continue to reach out to the Jewish community ... to reassure the Jewish community he&#039;s going to be there for Israel.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&amp;SubSectionID=4&amp;ArticleID=5728&amp;TM=12539.4&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Fingerhut might also have quoted this part of his original report:<br />
&quot;But other constituents, while stating that they appreciated Van Hollen&#39;s attempt at clarification, still faulted the new letter for falling short in some areas. &#8230; He needs to continue to reach out to the Jewish community &#8230; to reassure the Jewish community he&#39;s going to be there for Israel.&quot;<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&amp;SubSectionID=4&amp;ArticleID=5728&amp;TM=12539.4</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to washingtonjewishweek.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was a good story about Van Hollen and I can certainly believe it. Does the Lobby&#039;s control over Congress on this issue amount to &#039;the tail wagging the dog&#039;? Maybe, but I expected more when the term was introduced.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a good story about Van Hollen and I can certainly believe it. Does the Lobby&#39;s control over Congress on this issue amount to &#39;the tail wagging the dog&#39;? Maybe, but I expected more when the term was introduced.</p>
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