Comments on: Investigative Scholar Says ‘Radical Islam’ Was Dreamed Up in Israel in the ’90s as the ‘Glue’ to U.S.-Israeli Alliance

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Interesting comments on the aspect of multiple forces with multiple and internally conflicting objectives.

It suggests a reason that the US cannot possibly succeed in Iraq. As unless civility and then civil institutions take hold in Iraq OVER external influences and alliances and over internal factions, that any military effort only benefits the party(s) that sit out the conflict, while the conflictors just beat each other down.

And, at the same time, it then suggests the strategy that the US is in Iraq currently, to contain the distractions to civility.

It then implies similarly in Israel/Palestine, that civility and civil institutions are the objective, to take root, to be consented to. And, that the reality of the context is of three or more parties attempting to retain validity in the region and through moving alliances and sentiments.

Back to the same question. "What is the best policy? What is the best characteristics of implementation? What is the best preparation for that?"

Organized by skillful and ethical leaders.

The implication that Iran has interests in working with Israel except in the divide and conquer mode, is a fantasy though.

To the extent that Iran is involved in the region (on its own or through Hezbollah) it will only delay the civility necessary to form a Palestinian state, or a single civil state.

By: MM

MM — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I did not know about Iran supporting Hamas directly.

But does Parsi mention anything about Israel funding the early Hamas movement led by Shiek Yassin as a counterweight to the at-the-time more dangerous secularist Fatah? Or Netanyahu pardoning Yassan and allowing him back into the Occupied Territories circa `97?

Relatedly, there is something very funny about the Wikipedia entry on Hamas. It must mention that Hamas was founded in 1987 and its charter written in 1988 a good 10 different times.

The fact is that Hamas grew out of an earlier movement (Muslim Brotherhood) and had been active, under Shiek Yassin, in social programs since the late '70s, when Israeli intelligence financially supported its activities, including the university it built, and many civic associations.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

By: Samie

Samie — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Aww, come on, Phil. You know why we aren't talking about it. The massive over representation of jews in media is not good for any non jewish society when those jews, or most of them, either because they're ideologically aligned to Jew centric agendas or because they're so damned cowed, they have to produce the goods. In an ideal world, people, groups, wouldn't do this to each other. But they do, and your group is doing this to every other - You know it and you have guts enough to try calling them on it. You got my respect though I read some of your "we're so great, so smart, we could do better" and I just get so deflated. You are not seeing the writting on the wall. We, the majority dont want to be judiased or force fed a jewish outlook or made to take it on as ours. It isn't ours, it's yours.
The Fed doesn't belong to us, Phil. It used to be an AMerican institution, ours. It's a private bank, jews own it. They've got my money and my country in their hands, only it isn't just us dumb Americans, it's almost every other industrialized country on the planet. Jews have got the IMF and so they've got third world countries and everything in them, including un tapped resources. The protocols of zion were forgeries, so why the hell are some of your people acting them out? And why are we so cowed, that we let you. We have to fix the money, we have to fix this multicultural hell you got us into because all America is now, is the place we work and pay into, work and pay into and take whatever shit your people are shovelling to us. We all got rights ( a real joke, we have hollywood feel good hiding the horse shit and destruction of any rights we used to have) but no responsibilites to each other, multiculuralism made us more ethno aware, it made us fight for crumbs against each other. We lost our Americanism, we're all played off against one another. Now we're told we're globalists, no borders. Nation states is yesterday but it's only the borders that will keep your guys out. It's only the borders that will make these guys decide where they want to be, in Israel or America or any place else. Stop them from taking every cent a poor guy ever earned and owning him and his family through debt and political-financial dominence.
It isn't anti semitic to talk about the rip off, it's anti gentile, it's anti Arab, it's anti anything these guys see as a problem for them and Israel and going really global Owning all our asses and pulling our every string. Thats we why we dont talk about it.

By: Robert Hume

Robert Hume — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I think Parsi's argument puts the cart before the horse.

There would be no need to focus on Radical Islam or to have the support of the US if there were no conflict with the Palestinians.

Radical Islam actually has its current high level of influence because of the conflict with the Palestinians.

But given the conflict with the Palestinians it is necessary for Israel to elevate Radical Islam to a powerful self-generating entity, threatening the West, which would exist without the Palestinian conflict.

This persuades the US to fight those who support Palestinian independence and hence helps keep the settlements off center stage.

By: Robert Hume

Robert Hume — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I think Parsi's argument puts the cart before the horse.

There would be no need to focus on Radical Islam or to have the support of the US if there were no conflict with the Palestinians.

Radical Islam actually has its current high level of influence because of the conflict with the Palestinians.

This persuades the US to fight those who support Palestinian independence and hence helps keep the settlements off center stage.

By: naj

naj — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Yes this is indeed a very timely book.

Parsi's doing a great job in exposing a few bugs in the cookie can, isn't he?

And being a protege of Fukuyama, hw knows how to sound ... uhm ... (neo)conservative.

In a way, he is saying everything that everyone does is for their "national security". But my little problem with his approach comes from the fact that he is not (in as far as I have read) paying any attention to "racism" and "capitalism" as teh mother of all evil in our century!

By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany

Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Israel's point is to turn their cause into a universal/Western one.
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But it's deception all along: To begin with, their religion is an ethnic one -- but they try to sell it as a universal, humanist one as Spielberg did in 'Schindler's List' with the fake Talmud quote:
"Who saves one life saves the whole world" when in fact the quote from the Talmud is: "Who saves a life of Israel(!) saves the whole world".

By: J.E. Dundee

J.E. Dundee — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Radical Islam indeed serves a useful purpose to those who want to keep stolen Palestinian land and to go to war with all Muslim countries. It serves as a distraction from the abhorrent actions of the radical Zionist settlers (well-documented in Zertal and Eldar's book "Lords of the Land.") Indeed many believe that radical Islam took off after 1967 with the radical Zionist settlements in occupied Palestine.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Elevation or recognition?

And to what extent?

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

What is binary?

And

What is a conflict of three or more players?