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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the Brutal Bargain:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that it was Norman Podhoretz who referred to assimialation as the &quot;brutal bargain.&quot; It was brutal to give up ones&#039;s culture or most of it and act like an imitation WASP-- the level of assimilation that America used to demand of all immigrants when WASP&#039;s ran it. In exchange for assimilation, Jews were allowed to rise pretty much unfettered.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But today, people forget the brutal bargain: a country can only cohere if its people love it and have no second loyalty to another country or a transnational group. In recent days we have witnessed the debacle of the resolution regarding Armenian genocide. It matters not a whit to me what you call that massacare. What matters to a goyim like me are my three relatives fighting in Iraq. Therefore, we cannot afford to antagonise a key ally like Turkey. &lt;br /&gt;
Similarly, Jews need to understand that they are America&#039;s elite. They need to act like the WASPs of the 20th century and figure out how to make this country work again. And the U.S. aint functioning. Hollywood is destroying the culture and Wall Street incentivises companies to offshore jobs and careers destroying communities. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yet our elite, 51% Jewish according to the Jerusalem Post, is so self absorbed in their own money-making schemes and backing Israel that they rarely if ever contemplate what is going on and their own role in it.&lt;br /&gt;
Remember, the brutal bargain: to get the benefit of the bargain--a great country to live in, you gotta give more than a lot. You gotta give your heart to it. And you cannot give your heart to Israel, or a transnational identity and these (formerly)United States. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Come on people! show us your leaders who loves America like an Eisenhower, a Macarthur or George C. Marshall.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I believe that it was Norman Podhoretz who referred to assimialation as the &quot;brutal bargain.&quot; It was brutal to give up ones&#39;s culture or most of it and act like an imitation WASP&#8211; the level of assimilation that America used to demand of all immigrants when WASP&#39;s ran it. In exchange for assimilation, Jews were allowed to rise pretty much unfettered.</p>
<p>But today, people forget the brutal bargain: a country can only cohere if its people love it and have no second loyalty to another country or a transnational group. In recent days we have witnessed the debacle of the resolution regarding Armenian genocide. It matters not a whit to me what you call that massacare. What matters to a goyim like me are my three relatives fighting in Iraq. Therefore, we cannot afford to antagonise a key ally like Turkey. <br />
Similarly, Jews need to understand that they are America&#39;s elite. They need to act like the WASPs of the 20th century and figure out how to make this country work again. And the U.S. aint functioning. Hollywood is destroying the culture and Wall Street incentivises companies to offshore jobs and careers destroying communities. </p>
<p>Yet our elite, 51% Jewish according to the Jerusalem Post, is so self absorbed in their own money-making schemes and backing Israel that they rarely if ever contemplate what is going on and their own role in it.<br />
Remember, the brutal bargain: to get the benefit of the bargain&#8211;a great country to live in, you gotta give more than a lot. You gotta give your heart to it. And you cannot give your heart to Israel, or a transnational identity and these (formerly)United States. </p>
<p>Come on people! show us your leaders who loves America like an Eisenhower, a Macarthur or George C. Marshall.</p>
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		<title>By: David Seaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Similarly, Jews need to understand that they are America&#039;s elite. They need to act like the WASPs of the 20th century and figure out how to make this country work again.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John... You&#039;ve missed the point.&lt;br /&gt;
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WASP America is like Chief Seattle&#039;s, Native-American, America, the project of one tribe that is passing into history. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WASPs may dress up like Indians sometimes, and dance around a campfire but they never become real Indians. And the Indians are the only people with a real claim to this land like a Frenchman has to France or an Englishman to England. The rest of us... ALL of the rest of us, are just their uninvited guests.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is in America that the WASPs discovered who they were and played themselves in a film written and directed by themselves. Now it is the Jews turn. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What Indians did, they did according to their nature-loving natures. What WASPs did,  they did according to their own thin-lipped, tight-assed natures. And what the Jews are doing and will do, they will do according to their natures and thus will define their natures over time.  They will have no excuse. There are no obstacles in America to their complete self-expression through action. It is in America and not Israel where Jews will discover who they really are, what their values really are, what their true measure is. Humanity and history will be their judge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chief Seattle and his people, when America was theirs, expressed themselves and left spirituality, legends and poetry... now they run casinos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The WASPs of Lincoln, Emerson, Edison, Ford and the Wright Brothers discovered themselves: created a world power, killed, enslaved, wrote great books, thought noble thoughts, created fantastic machines and invented new ways of working. Now they shop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now it is the Jew&#039;s turn to step up as the WASPs step down. Its their turn at the wheel, to define themselves through action. If they screw up they won&#039;t be able to blame it on the goyim, because now THEY are the goyim. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Similarly, Jews need to understand that they are America&#39;s elite. They need to act like the WASPs of the 20th century and figure out how to make this country work again.&quot;</p>
<p>John&#8230; You&#39;ve missed the point.</p>
<p>WASP America is like Chief Seattle&#39;s, Native-American, America, the project of one tribe that is passing into history. </p>
<p>WASPs may dress up like Indians sometimes, and dance around a campfire but they never become real Indians. And the Indians are the only people with a real claim to this land like a Frenchman has to France or an Englishman to England. The rest of us&#8230; ALL of the rest of us, are just their uninvited guests.</p>
<p>It is in America that the WASPs discovered who they were and played themselves in a film written and directed by themselves. Now it is the Jews turn. </p>
<p>What Indians did, they did according to their nature-loving natures. What WASPs did,  they did according to their own thin-lipped, tight-assed natures. And what the Jews are doing and will do, they will do according to their natures and thus will define their natures over time.  They will have no excuse. There are no obstacles in America to their complete self-expression through action. It is in America and not Israel where Jews will discover who they really are, what their values really are, what their true measure is. Humanity and history will be their judge.</p>
<p>Chief Seattle and his people, when America was theirs, expressed themselves and left spirituality, legends and poetry&#8230; now they run casinos.</p>
<p>The WASPs of Lincoln, Emerson, Edison, Ford and the Wright Brothers discovered themselves: created a world power, killed, enslaved, wrote great books, thought noble thoughts, created fantastic machines and invented new ways of working. Now they shop.</p>
<p>Now it is the Jew&#39;s turn to step up as the WASPs step down. Its their turn at the wheel, to define themselves through action. If they screw up they won&#39;t be able to blame it on the goyim, because now THEY are the goyim. </p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Beyond the Melting Pot&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
_________________________&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just re-read &#039;Beyond the Melting Pot - The Negroes, Puerto Ricans, Jews, Italians, and Irish of New York City&#039; by Nathan Glaser and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, The M.I.T. Press, 1963.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The authors say on Jewish assimilation: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- &quot;Intermarriage, an important sign of integration, remains low among Jews. The 1957 sample census showed that about 3.5% of married Jews were married to non-Jews, and the proportion is possibly even lower in New York ...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- &quot;The religious institutions are so strong because they serve the social desire to remain sepearte to begin with.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- &quot;A good deal of this Jewish togetherness is simply frightened and unimaginative, and its only purpose is to maintain separateness.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder how this has changed during the last  40 to 50 years.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Beyond the Melting Pot&quot;<br />
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<p>I just re-read &#39;Beyond the Melting Pot &#8211; The Negroes, Puerto Ricans, Jews, Italians, and Irish of New York City&#39; by Nathan Glaser and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, The M.I.T. Press, 1963.</p>
<p>The authors say on Jewish assimilation: </p>
<p>- &quot;Intermarriage, an important sign of integration, remains low among Jews. The 1957 sample census showed that about 3.5% of married Jews were married to non-Jews, and the proportion is possibly even lower in New York &#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>- &quot;The religious institutions are so strong because they serve the social desire to remain sepearte to begin with.&quot;</p>
<p>- &quot;A good deal of this Jewish togetherness is simply frightened and unimaginative, and its only purpose is to maintain separateness.&quot;</p>
<p>I wonder how this has changed during the last  40 to 50 years.  </p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/10/is-jpods-elevat.html/comment-page-1#comment-68766</link>
		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn Greenwald (once again) did a skilled fileting of the neo-con nepotism that poisons our cultural debate  &quot;Nepotistic tough guys and their coddling parents.&quot; A must read. (I wish Glenn hadn&#039;t referred to him as &quot;JPod.&quot;  It&#039;s an insult to both A-Rod and Ipods.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Under boy&#039;s reign, I predict Commentary will cease to exist.  NR used to be a serious mag, but is no longer--nowadays it&#039;s a piece of frat-boy dreck, despite the skilled wordsmithing of Derbyshire (who someday will awaken to the fact that he is in league with sewer-trout).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I used to subscribe, now I wouldn&#039;t want to give them the click-through (which, holding my nose, I just did: the title of Buckley&#039;s piece &quot;Is Rudy Catholic?  Does it Matter?&quot; confirms my disgust).  These people aren&#039;t credible: they&#039;re propagandists for mass-murder and Empire, no better than Goebbels.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NR nowadays adheres with devotion to their master&#039;s thinking:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;the principle— which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or this Hitler quote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are filth on the bootsoles of our country, all of them.  May they rot in hell.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald (once again) did a skilled fileting of the neo-con nepotism that poisons our cultural debate  &quot;Nepotistic tough guys and their coddling parents.&quot; A must read. (I wish Glenn hadn&#39;t referred to him as &quot;JPod.&quot;  It&#39;s an insult to both A-Rod and Ipods.)</p>
<p>Under boy&#39;s reign, I predict Commentary will cease to exist.  NR used to be a serious mag, but is no longer&#8211;nowadays it&#39;s a piece of frat-boy dreck, despite the skilled wordsmithing of Derbyshire (who someday will awaken to the fact that he is in league with sewer-trout).</p>
<p>I used to subscribe, now I wouldn&#39;t want to give them the click-through (which, holding my nose, I just did: the title of Buckley&#39;s piece &quot;Is Rudy Catholic?  Does it Matter?&quot; confirms my disgust).  These people aren&#39;t credible: they&#39;re propagandists for mass-murder and Empire, no better than Goebbels.</p>
<p>NR nowadays adheres with devotion to their master&#39;s thinking:</p>
<p>&quot;Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;the principle— which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility.&quot;</p>
<p>Or this Hitler quote:</p>
<p>&quot;But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.&quot;</p>
<p>They are filth on the bootsoles of our country, all of them.  May they rot in hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But unlike the goyim, they hold a right of return; let&#039;s see where they are taking us ever since the full impact of the  Immigration Act of 1965.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But unlike the goyim, they hold a right of return; let&#39;s see where they are taking us ever since the full impact of the  Immigration Act of 1965.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WASPs built a great civilization.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hyphenated this and that is now in the process of destroying it.  Anyone else wondering what next week&#039;s meaningless Congressional Resolution will be?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WASPs built a great civilization.</p>
<p>Hyphenated this and that is now in the process of destroying it.  Anyone else wondering what next week&#39;s meaningless Congressional Resolution will be?</p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mukasey&#039;s confirmation hearings are going on right now, being live-narrated by (my hero) Glenn &quot;bring &#039;em back alive&quot; Greenwald.  Read the short excerpt below, and ask yourself: on what planet, in what universe, does this administration  imagine itself to be protecting Americans?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But worse, as Feinstein pointed out, Hamdi was detained on a battlefield in Afghanistan, not on U.S. soil. So she asked again: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;would you advise the President that he has the power to detain American citizens on U.S. soil with no charges? This time, forced to answer, Mukasey gave a disturbing, evasive non-answer: he said, in essence, that he is not sure that there is legal authority now to do so given the Second Circuit&#039;s reversal of his decision. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Mukaskey, then, it is an open question whether the President can imprison U.S. citizens, arrested on U.S. soil, with no charges of any kind. Shouldn&#039;t that be a rather significant hurdle to his becoming Attorney General, to put it mildly?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Watch the crap-artists at NR, the puke-spewers at the Weakly Standard leap to Mukasey&#039;s defense.  Unlike enablers of alcoholics, these people know exactly what it is they are doing; aiding and abetting the rape of the U.S. constitution.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phil Dick was right:  the empire never ended.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mukasey&#39;s confirmation hearings are going on right now, being live-narrated by (my hero) Glenn &quot;bring &#39;em back alive&quot; Greenwald.  Read the short excerpt below, and ask yourself: on what planet, in what universe, does this administration  imagine itself to be protecting Americans?</p>
<p>&quot;But worse, as Feinstein pointed out, Hamdi was detained on a battlefield in Afghanistan, not on U.S. soil. So she asked again: </p>
<p>would you advise the President that he has the power to detain American citizens on U.S. soil with no charges? This time, forced to answer, Mukasey gave a disturbing, evasive non-answer: he said, in essence, that he is not sure that there is legal authority now to do so given the Second Circuit&#39;s reversal of his decision. </p>
<p>To Mukaskey, then, it is an open question whether the President can imprison U.S. citizens, arrested on U.S. soil, with no charges of any kind. Shouldn&#39;t that be a rather significant hurdle to his becoming Attorney General, to put it mildly?&quot;</p>
<p>Watch the crap-artists at NR, the puke-spewers at the Weakly Standard leap to Mukasey&#39;s defense.  Unlike enablers of alcoholics, these people know exactly what it is they are doing; aiding and abetting the rape of the U.S. constitution.  </p>
<p>Phil Dick was right:  the empire never ended.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so zionism is the opposite of assimilation?  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so zionism is the opposite of assimilation?  </p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Schoenfeld has a dark side. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I quote him via Commentary in http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/updating-ajc-attacks.html .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;...in the judgment of the political scientist Peter Skerry, we may now be witnessing the emergence of a new force in American politics. Writing in Time, and citing a whole range of such convergent interests, Skerry calls this a &#039;Muslim-liberal coalition&#039; (more accurately it might be called a Muslim/Arab-liberal coalition). If he is right, and if this coalition can be organized to act with any degree of coherence, it could indeed end up, through sheer numbers alone, wielding a disproportionate influence on American politics [my emphasis], to the clear detriment of the interests of American Jews.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In theory the USA is supposed to be a democracy. Normally, a political group, whose power comes from sheer numbers alone, is described as wielding a proportionate influence on American politics. Schoenfeld and those American Zionists that agree with him have a clear anti-democratic un-American agenda.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schoenfeld has a dark side. </p>
<p>I quote him via Commentary in <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/updating-ajc-attacks.html">link to eaazi.blogspot.com</a><br /> .</p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;in the judgment of the political scientist Peter Skerry, we may now be witnessing the emergence of a new force in American politics. Writing in Time, and citing a whole range of such convergent interests, Skerry calls this a &#39;Muslim-liberal coalition&#39; (more accurately it might be called a Muslim/Arab-liberal coalition). If he is right, and if this coalition can be organized to act with any degree of coherence, it could indeed end up, through sheer numbers alone, wielding a disproportionate influence on American politics [my emphasis], to the clear detriment of the interests of American Jews.&quot;</p>
<p>In theory the USA is supposed to be a democracy. Normally, a political group, whose power comes from sheer numbers alone, is described as wielding a proportionate influence on American politics. Schoenfeld and those American Zionists that agree with him have a clear anti-democratic un-American agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
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		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Podhoretz&#039; comment &quot;We know where you live&quot; hits close to home because it has only been from Zionist sources that I have been harassed and threatened because I&#039;ve offered my opinions on US foreign policy with regards to Israel. It&#039;s as if there&#039;s an army of freelance sayanim lying in wait to pounce on anyone (especially goy) who dares to refute the official narrative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After 9/11 and in my capacity as the (one time) staff advisor to a campus student atheist group, I would venture into forums for different religious groups and try to further my understanding of their beliefs. Though in the ummah.com forum I had posters telling me my disbelief would put me in bad stead with Allah, no one ever threatened me personally or tried to harass me via the internet. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That changed when I commented at the LA Jewish Journal Forum. In addition to the harassment from a person who was later banned for making death threats against the forum moderator (DaveK - an ex-IDF US resident - who was then allowed back on with a new nick - mdanin), I was later banned for the somewhat innocuous statement that Israel has lied and murdered (as evidenced by the attack on the USS Liberty) and by my claim that it appeared that Israel had used radiological weapons in their previous attack on Lebanon. Though the last point might be debatable, the moderator declared that no anti-Zionist voices would be allowed (though the forum said it was for readers of the LA Jewish Journal, which I was - they later added to their guidelines that no one would be allowed to argue that Zionism = racism). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Much as baseball is a game of percentages, I think this illustrates how the discussion is shaped in a myriad of ways where the pressures against stepping out of line are sometimes subtle but ever-present. I am grateful to voices such as Phil&#039;s and the other posters here that further the discussion in commendable ways and often invite my tormentors to try to make their case in a venue where their disinformation is not taken as gospel.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Podhoretz&#39; comment &quot;We know where you live&quot; hits close to home because it has only been from Zionist sources that I have been harassed and threatened because I&#39;ve offered my opinions on US foreign policy with regards to Israel. It&#39;s as if there&#39;s an army of freelance sayanim lying in wait to pounce on anyone (especially goy) who dares to refute the official narrative.</p>
<p>After 9/11 and in my capacity as the (one time) staff advisor to a campus student atheist group, I would venture into forums for different religious groups and try to further my understanding of their beliefs. Though in the ummah.com forum I had posters telling me my disbelief would put me in bad stead with Allah, no one ever threatened me personally or tried to harass me via the internet. </p>
<p>That changed when I commented at the LA Jewish Journal Forum. In addition to the harassment from a person who was later banned for making death threats against the forum moderator (DaveK &#8211; an ex-IDF US resident &#8211; who was then allowed back on with a new nick &#8211; mdanin), I was later banned for the somewhat innocuous statement that Israel has lied and murdered (as evidenced by the attack on the USS Liberty) and by my claim that it appeared that Israel had used radiological weapons in their previous attack on Lebanon. Though the last point might be debatable, the moderator declared that no anti-Zionist voices would be allowed (though the forum said it was for readers of the LA Jewish Journal, which I was &#8211; they later added to their guidelines that no one would be allowed to argue that Zionism = racism). </p>
<p>Much as baseball is a game of percentages, I think this illustrates how the discussion is shaped in a myriad of ways where the pressures against stepping out of line are sometimes subtle but ever-present. I am grateful to voices such as Phil&#39;s and the other posters here that further the discussion in commendable ways and often invite my tormentors to try to make their case in a venue where their disinformation is not taken as gospel.</p>
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