Comments on: A Little Hill Near Bethlehem Reveals the Power of the Israel Lobby

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

If Jewish settlements are the product of the "Israel Lobby" at work – Long Live the Israel Lobby!

By: Charles Keating

Charles Keating — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

RE: "If Jewish settlements are the product of the "Israel Lobby" at work - Long Live the Israel Lobby!"

This is really depressing. I have no doubt it comes from a chicken hawk. Please prove me wrong.

By: ej

ej — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Hey Ed
Lebensraum is a great rort.
Tell us where you live and we'll come over and bulldoze your house. Kill your kids while we're at it - we don't like their attitude.
We have some relatives that would like to move onto your site.

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

In the middle east, only the Arabs target children, but they do it in two ways. First, the way you can learn about from the media with bombs in pizzarias. The second is that they target their own children by using them as shields and by raising them to be martyrs. All Palestinian deaths are on the heads of the Palestinians.

The claim that Jews can't live in certain places is the same apartheid policy that Arabs wrongly accuse Israelis of. Israelis let Arabs live in Israel. But Jews living outside the Green line are forbidden. That's the very definition of apartheid.

By: Defenestrator

Defenestrator — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

When Jews move outside the Green line, do they integrate into the neighborhoods in which they are moving, or do they expropriate the land from the Arabs? How many Arabs are allowed to live in the settlements?

In the Middle East, only the Israelis use airplanes so they do not have to look at who they are about to slaughter. Only the Israelis justify their killing by calling the deaths "collateral damage" as long as they get the one guy they want.

It is unfortunate but true that what we call terrorist tactics are the only tactics available to the Palestinians in this occupation, so they use them. I'm sure the Palestinians would much prefer to have the same firepower as the Israelis in their fight for liberation.

Do you expect the Arabs to respect Israelis they see Israel "zapping" them in the nose, and when they respond by fighting back, the bully Israel beats the crap out of them? Do you expect them to just lay down like dogs and take the disrespect?

It doesn't matter if this is what is really happening. It is perception that matters. Ours is the western perception that blowing yourself up in a pizzeria is the worst thing ever, no matter what the instigation. There's is that it is justified by the utter lack of respect they are given.

By: Just a second

Just a second — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I'm not going to get into a discussion about which way to kill and/or terrorize a population is more acceptable, but I will say this one simple thing in response to Ed:

I'll accept your line of reasoning the day a Palestinian family from the West Bank can not only move to Haifa, but can get some government money to help with the transition and the cost, too.

Until then, either find another argument or save your wasted breath.

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"It is unfortunate but true that what we call terrorist tactics are the only tactics available to the Palestinians in this occupation, so they use them"

That is only true if destroying Israel is the primary goal. Here is the most productive tactic available to Palestinians: Recognizing the Jewish state and establishing their own. But because they are far more dedicated to destroying an existing state than establishing a new one, the terrorist tactics appear to be the only available.

"It doesn't matter if this is what is really happening. It is perception that matters. "

That is why the lie that Israel was created by "stealing land" was created and is perpetuated. The truth does not matter. That lie continues to kill both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs every day.

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Ours is the western perception that blowing yourself up in a pizzeria is the worst thing ever, no matter what the instigation."

Are you saying that there is an instigation that justifies blowing yourself up in a pizzeria???

By: ATS

ATS — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Ed and his little Megaphone rangers are keeping busy, but these days the rest of the world is wise to them. And the great majority of them are not Arabs, muslims--much less anti-semites. They just see a manifest injustice that not all the Hollywood agitprop can wash away. In the end, even Danile Pipes can't shut down the Internet*.

The stupid much-publicized bombing of pizzarias does not justify the stolen land. The charts depicting how many have died do not lie.

* Does Ed deny that Pipes would if he could?

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I deny that Pipes would shut down the internet if he could, although I'm sure he can speak for himself.

What he (and I) WOULD do is stop the lies about "stolen land." Israel is the only mideast nation NOT created violently or by conquest. Rather it was by legal land purchases and ultimately the consensus of the world community. That consensus included a Palestinian Arab state as well, but the Apartheid view of the Arab world, which continues to this date, leaves no room for a Jewish state. That is the heart of the problem.

Charts depicting the number who have died? Too many on both sides have died, but ALL in an effort to destroy Israel. If Palestinian Arabs cared more for getting a state than for genocidally destroying one, they'd have had one long ago.