Comments on: Theory of Mukasey’s Jewish Network Reveals Divided Discourse, and Media Decadence http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:25:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oarwell http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67960 Oarwell Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67960 <p>Assuming, after a quick glance, that TPM is a pro-Democrat, pro-Hillary/Obama blog, and looking at the comments, all I can say is, this is not going to end well. Such extreme anti-democratic politics can only be ended by a MAJOR political earthquake.</p> <p>Phil, you really know nothing about the trial? I find that hard to believe--it cuts to the very core of what your blog is about. </p> Assuming, after a quick glance, that TPM is a pro-Democrat, pro-Hillary/Obama blog, and looking at the comments, all I can say is, this is not going to end well. Such extreme anti-democratic politics can only be ended by a MAJOR political earthquake.

Phil, you really know nothing about the trial? I find that hard to believe–it cuts to the very core of what your blog is about.

]]> By: Oarwell http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67961 Oarwell Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67961 <p>As highlighted by one commenter at TPM, here's Schumer's money quote</p> <p>...“I deeply esteem those who believe the issue of torture is so paramount that Judge Mukasey’s views on it should be the sole determinant of our vote,” Schumer said in a statement. “But I must respectfully disagree...."</p> <p>Hard to find a reductio ad absurdum when talking about torture, but here's one: replace the word 'torture' with 'cannibalism,' and see how that sentence sounds.</p> <p>Perhaps 24 will show Jack Bauer eating the terrorists, to gain their wiles, and then soi disant Christian Cal Thomas can write a column calling for cannibalism, referencing the fictional FOX show.</p> <p>"Whom the gods would destroy, first they make mad." </p> As highlighted by one commenter at TPM, here's Schumer's money quote

…“I deeply esteem those who believe the issue of torture is so paramount that Judge Mukasey’s views on it should be the sole determinant of our vote,” Schumer said in a statement. “But I must respectfully disagree…."

Hard to find a reductio ad absurdum when talking about torture, but here's one: replace the word 'torture' with 'cannibalism,' and see how that sentence sounds.

Perhaps 24 will show Jack Bauer eating the terrorists, to gain their wiles, and then soi disant Christian Cal Thomas can write a column calling for cannibalism, referencing the fictional FOX show.

"Whom the gods would destroy, first they make mad."

]]> By: Cal http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67962 Cal Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67962 <p>You are right, the main stream media is irrelevant to a larger and larger share of the public.<br /> I have about 20 blogs and news sources<br /> I visit everyday...from right to left,from one issue blogs like this one concentrating on the jewish political element to blogs where the commentors are mostly military members to blogs where there are mostly foreign policy wonks. Then I go to Thomas.gov to review legisation if I want to know what the DC incest tank is really up to.</p> <p>What passes for the media and "news" in this country now is nothing but gossipy talk shows for low I.Q.'s.</p> You are right, the main stream media is irrelevant to a larger and larger share of the public.
I have about 20 blogs and news sources
I visit everyday…from right to left,from one issue blogs like this one concentrating on the jewish political element to blogs where the commentors are mostly military members to blogs where there are mostly foreign policy wonks. Then I go to Thomas.gov to review legisation if I want to know what the DC incest tank is really up to.

What passes for the media and "news" in this country now is nothing but gossipy talk shows for low I.Q.'s.

]]> By: scorpio http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67963 scorpio Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67963 <p>the Pearlstine piece was a real jaw-dropper</p> the Pearlstine piece was a real jaw-dropper

]]> By: Chuck http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67964 Chuck Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67964 <p>The US Constitution clearly prohibits torture.</p> <p>Those who choose not to abide by the US Constitution are contrary to American values and in a word, UnAmerican. They will take this once great country into the abyss. </p> The US Constitution clearly prohibits torture.

Those who choose not to abide by the US Constitution are contrary to American values and in a word, UnAmerican. They will take this once great country into the abyss.

]]> By: Cal http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67965 Cal Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67965 <p>"'cannibalism,'"<br /> Posted by: Oarwell</p> <p>I think oarwell has just described the current US society...at least as it applies to the "elites" and the politicans.</p> <p>Cannibals are extinct now...their neighbors were such easy pickings they ate them<br /> all up without planning out their future food needs.</p> <p>Time for Americans to quit being easy pickings. We need to get the cannibals before they finish us off.</p> <p></p> <p></p> <p><br /> </p> "'cannibalism,'"
Posted by: Oarwell

I think oarwell has just described the current US society…at least as it applies to the "elites" and the politicans.

Cannibals are extinct now…their neighbors were such easy pickings they ate them
all up without planning out their future food needs.

Time for Americans to quit being easy pickings. We need to get the cannibals before they finish us off.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67966 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67966 <p>Scooter Libbey was pardoned. The indirect trial of the AIPAC spy case will never get off the ground. The "backdoor channels" will stay that way. In fifty years your kids can read about it. An analogy: How and why the US went "over there" in 1917. A few others: How and why we went to Federal Reserve System and IRS<br /> in 1913. Have fun with the puzzle.</p> Scooter Libbey was pardoned. The indirect trial of the AIPAC spy case will never get off the ground. The "backdoor channels" will stay that way. In fifty years your kids can read about it. An analogy: How and why the US went "over there" in 1917. A few others: How and why we went to Federal Reserve System and IRS
in 1913. Have fun with the puzzle.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67967 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67967 <p>Ron Paul would merely point at the constitution itself and at Hague & Geneva and declare water-boarding is illegal. Maybe he'd add that we prosecuted imperial Japanese officers for just that action, or show how the Gestapo and The Inquisition did it. From a marketing perspective, how do you think an OK on water-boarding will fly over the world's eyes? Putin knows, and Chaney. They are actually brothers you know. BTW, all the tactics <br /> used have been used in Israel for years. Is America in the same situation as Israel? Our leaders seem to all think so. Shall we start sending Americans in modern conestoga wagons? Does Nuremberg mean nothing? Goering must be rolling over laughing in his grave. </p> Ron Paul would merely point at the constitution itself and at Hague & Geneva and declare water-boarding is illegal. Maybe he'd add that we prosecuted imperial Japanese officers for just that action, or show how the Gestapo and The Inquisition did it. From a marketing perspective, how do you think an OK on water-boarding will fly over the world's eyes? Putin knows, and Chaney. They are actually brothers you know. BTW, all the tactics
used have been used in Israel for years. Is America in the same situation as Israel? Our leaders seem to all think so. Shall we start sending Americans in modern conestoga wagons? Does Nuremberg mean nothing? Goering must be rolling over laughing in his grave.

]]> By: samuel burke http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67968 samuel burke Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67968 <p>we may be nearing chaim weizmanns tipping point in america.</p> <p>this is a quote from C.Weizzmanns autobiography Trial and Error.<br /> "Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them ... The fact that the actual number of Jews in England, and even their proportion to the total population, was smaller than in other countries was irrelevant; the determining factor in this matter is not the solubility of the Jews, but the solvent power of the country ... this cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that word; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off."</p> <p>the neocons have tried hard to conflate the interests of israel with those of the united states so they can defend both but...<br /> the love that some of these people have for israel makes them act as a nation within a nation.</p> we may be nearing chaim weizmanns tipping point in america.

this is a quote from C.Weizzmanns autobiography Trial and Error.
"Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them … The fact that the actual number of Jews in England, and even their proportion to the total population, was smaller than in other countries was irrelevant; the determining factor in this matter is not the solubility of the Jews, but the solvent power of the country … this cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that word; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off."

the neocons have tried hard to conflate the interests of israel with those of the united states so they can defend both but…
the love that some of these people have for israel makes them act as a nation within a nation.

]]> By: Matt http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/on-tpm-the-main.html/comment-page-1#comment-67969 Matt Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/14/on-tpm-the-main.html#comment-67969 <p>"We have a bifurcated discourse. Dangerous." - this is incredibly true.</p> "We have a bifurcated discourse. Dangerous." – this is incredibly true.

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