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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The Religious Left&#8217; Warns Sec&#8217;y Rice, the Bible Promised Israel to the Jews</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/this-thursday-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-67978</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do you mean by the &quot;religious left&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The American Friends Service Committee, the Unitarian Church, a gamut of other protestant churches do NOT resemble your caricature.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why distort the reality of spiritual effort so, by a slogan?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
You don&#039;t like Tikkun for example, of the religious left?&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The American Friends Service Committee, the Unitarian Church, a gamut of other protestant churches do NOT resemble your caricature.</p>
<p>Why distort the reality of spiritual effort so, by a slogan?</p>
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You don&#39;t like Tikkun for example, of the religious left?</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All these religous &quot;cults&quot; need to be put away...in padded cells.&lt;br /&gt;
They are insane.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these religous &quot;cults&quot; need to be put away&#8230;in padded cells.<br />
They are insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve met those settlers Philip. They are not left. They are right wing extremists, just like our right wing extremists back here. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sometimes you sound like an idiot Philip.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve met those settlers Philip. They are not left. They are right wing extremists, just like our right wing extremists back here. </p>
<p>Sometimes you sound like an idiot Philip.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Society will be better off once we relegate ancient religious beliefs to the margins.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society will be better off once we relegate ancient religious beliefs to the margins.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney O. Smith III</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/this-thursday-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-67982</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney O. Smith III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MondoWeiss&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I appreciate your sailing into uncharted waters.  I don’t necessarily agree with your terminology in this post,  but at least at this point, I think I  understand your point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now that I have left Uris behind, I’ll surely admit that I don’t know any answers but I do believe that America is the greatest gift to and for the Jewish people since the beginning of the Exile.  So I tend to stress  the notion of religious liberty and a separation of church (synagogue) and state more than just pure secularism, although , again, I understand. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I offer an observation simply for consideration:  strategic analysis is based upon assumptions that typically rise out of a worldview.  And, more times than not, a worldview is going to bump up against and overlap  theological  interpretations.  When it comes to Zionism,  I think this certainly applies to the “religious left” and even  avowed atheists such as Dersh.  He after all approaches Zionism with a religious zeal (something the Satmar rabbis have warned us about, at least from what I can tell.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So anytime I see examples of strategic analysis, I try to look for assumptions, which then help me construct a possible worldview of the person, group, or nation offering the analysis.   From there, I then try to determine the perhaps unexpressed intent of the one offering the analysis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you asked me to construct a worldview based upon the statement by Wilder, I would first refer to Gorenberg’s work (among others) and then say that underlying this analytical content is an intent -- or impulse -- to rebuild the Third Temple by human hands at the same place where the Al Asqa Mosque now stands. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MondoWeiss</p>
<p>I appreciate your sailing into uncharted waters.  I don’t necessarily agree with your terminology in this post,  but at least at this point, I think I  understand your point.</p>
<p>Now that I have left Uris behind, I’ll surely admit that I don’t know any answers but I do believe that America is the greatest gift to and for the Jewish people since the beginning of the Exile.  So I tend to stress  the notion of religious liberty and a separation of church (synagogue) and state more than just pure secularism, although , again, I understand. </p>
<p>I offer an observation simply for consideration:  strategic analysis is based upon assumptions that typically rise out of a worldview.  And, more times than not, a worldview is going to bump up against and overlap  theological  interpretations.  When it comes to Zionism,  I think this certainly applies to the “religious left” and even  avowed atheists such as Dersh.  He after all approaches Zionism with a religious zeal (something the Satmar rabbis have warned us about, at least from what I can tell.)</p>
<p>So anytime I see examples of strategic analysis, I try to look for assumptions, which then help me construct a possible worldview of the person, group, or nation offering the analysis.   From there, I then try to determine the perhaps unexpressed intent of the one offering the analysis.</p>
<p>If you asked me to construct a worldview based upon the statement by Wilder, I would first refer to Gorenberg’s work (among others) and then say that underlying this analytical content is an intent &#8212; or impulse &#8212; to rebuild the Third Temple by human hands at the same place where the Al Asqa Mosque now stands. </p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Settlers are right-wing religious whackos--not lefties.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Religious left&quot; is a brilliant turn of phrase - I&#039;m using it from now on. All the &quot;secular&quot; liberals of the US who are also Zionist will heretofore be called &quot;religious leftists&quot; -- if it makes them uncomfortable, all the better. Because Zionism&#039;s &quot;truth&quot; is a religious truth, where G-d gives land to certain tribes and smites others down. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Religious left&quot; is a brilliant turn of phrase &#8211; I&#39;m using it from now on. All the &quot;secular&quot; liberals of the US who are also Zionist will heretofore be called &quot;religious leftists&quot; &#8212; if it makes them uncomfortable, all the better. Because Zionism&#39;s &quot;truth&quot; is a religious truth, where G-d gives land to certain tribes and smites others down. </p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t agree with Richard all that often, but he&#039;s right--&quot;religious left&quot; already has a clear meaning and it&#039;s not the meaning you want to give it.  It means people like Michael Lerner and Jim Wallis--the Tikkun and Sojourners crowd.  (Who I like--Tikkun is my favorite political magazine, though it fell short a few issues back when they decided to give a platform to those 9/11 &quot;truthers&quot; in the name of openness.   Dumb.)  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I understand what you&#039;re trying to do, but you need a different term for it.  Secular liberals who are kneejerk Zionists--well, I&#039;m not clever enough to come up with a phrase, but &quot;religious left&quot; doesn&#039;t cut it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t agree with Richard all that often, but he&#39;s right&#8211;&quot;religious left&quot; already has a clear meaning and it&#39;s not the meaning you want to give it.  It means people like Michael Lerner and Jim Wallis&#8211;the Tikkun and Sojourners crowd.  (Who I like&#8211;Tikkun is my favorite political magazine, though it fell short a few issues back when they decided to give a platform to those 9/11 &quot;truthers&quot; in the name of openness.   Dumb.)  </p>
<p>Anyway, I understand what you&#39;re trying to do, but you need a different term for it.  Secular liberals who are kneejerk Zionists&#8211;well, I&#39;m not clever enough to come up with a phrase, but &quot;religious left&quot; doesn&#39;t cut it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hume</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/this-thursday-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-67986</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to help the discussion along ... Jewish Fundamentalists?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to help the discussion along &#8230; Jewish Fundamentalists?</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Religious left&quot; in this context is a dumb term which should be dropped.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These people are not left. They are as far right as you can get.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The real &quot;religious left&quot; are the &quot;true&quot; religionists, ie those who interpret religion in terms of justice, compassion, mercy, truth, forgiveness etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone who uses religion to justify slavery, murder, empire etc are what is called &quot;the Antichrist&quot; (false prophets - Pat Robertson, confederates etc). &quot;The Beast&quot; of course is the emperor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All this is common knowledge in Christianity but even you as a progressive Jew should not make the error of describing right wing fundamentalist fanatics as the &quot;religious left&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>These people are not left. They are as far right as you can get.</p>
<p>The real &quot;religious left&quot; are the &quot;true&quot; religionists, ie those who interpret religion in terms of justice, compassion, mercy, truth, forgiveness etc.</p>
<p>Someone who uses religion to justify slavery, murder, empire etc are what is called &quot;the Antichrist&quot; (false prophets &#8211; Pat Robertson, confederates etc). &quot;The Beast&quot; of course is the emperor.</p>
<p>All this is common knowledge in Christianity but even you as a progressive Jew should not make the error of describing right wing fundamentalist fanatics as the &quot;religious left&quot;.</p>
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