Comments on: Does Paul Newman Owe a Spiritual Debt to the Palestinians? http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:31:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oarwell http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68159 Oarwell Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68159 <p>Opening line:</p> <p>"What we have here is a failure to communicate..."</p> <p>Exodus meets Cool Hand Luke. A chain gang working on the Wall. Boss Man with an uzi.</p> <p>Keep dreaming.</p> Opening line:

"What we have here is a failure to communicate…"

Exodus meets Cool Hand Luke. A chain gang working on the Wall. Boss Man with an uzi.

Keep dreaming.

]]> By: Ben http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68160 Ben Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68160 <p>Sounds plausible.</p> Sounds plausible.

]]> By: MM http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68161 MM Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68161 <p>One wonders if the Palestinians wouldn't prefer said debt paid in shipments of popcorn, tomato sauce and lemonade.</p> One wonders if the Palestinians wouldn't prefer said debt paid in shipments of popcorn, tomato sauce and lemonade.

]]> By: Joachim Martillo http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68162 Joachim Martillo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68162 <p>http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/10/zionist-film-exodus-terrorism-is-good.html discusses Exodus.</p> http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/10/zionist-film-exodus-terrorism-is-good.html discusses Exodus.

]]> By: Joachim Martillo http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68163 Joachim Martillo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68163 <p>Schindler's List is more evil than Exodus.</p> <p>After a discussion of Ghada Karmi's new book and The Heartbreak Kid remake, http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/10/married-to-another-man-married-to.html addresses Subliminal Zionist Propaganda and Genocide Incitement in Schindler's List .</p> Schindler's List is more evil than Exodus.

After a discussion of Ghada Karmi's new book and The Heartbreak Kid remake, link to eaazi.blogspot.com
addresses Subliminal Zionist Propaganda and Genocide Incitement in Schindler's List .

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68164 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68164 <p>Anti-zionism is racism in a way.</p> <p>It is the assertion that Jews are not a people, and therefore do not have the right to self-govern.</p> <p>Anti-zionism is DIFFERENT from criticism of the methods and policies.</p> Anti-zionism is racism in a way.

It is the assertion that Jews are not a people, and therefore do not have the right to self-govern.

Anti-zionism is DIFFERENT from criticism of the methods and policies.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68165 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68165 <p>Phil,<br /> Do you think it is possible to be assertive and ethical at the same time, or is it your belief that Jews should be passive (and abused)?</p> <p>I expect that you admire Jews who were not passive in the slightest, but active and assertive social activists.</p> <p>Perhaps those Jews, active and assertive but for social causes, were part of the transformation from passive and abused with assimilation and/or isolation as virtue, to backbone and self-identity as virtue.</p> <p>Patriotism, whether American or Zionist or Palestinian, can go too far. But, that is DIFFERENT than passivity as a virtue, and assertiveness as a curse.</p> Phil,
Do you think it is possible to be assertive and ethical at the same time, or is it your belief that Jews should be passive (and abused)?

I expect that you admire Jews who were not passive in the slightest, but active and assertive social activists.

Perhaps those Jews, active and assertive but for social causes, were part of the transformation from passive and abused with assimilation and/or isolation as virtue, to backbone and self-identity as virtue.

Patriotism, whether American or Zionist or Palestinian, can go too far. But, that is DIFFERENT than passivity as a virtue, and assertiveness as a curse.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68166 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68166 <p>You know, NOW is the time to be writing Congress and President to urge participation in the peace conference that is respectful for the Palestinians, that urges genuine mutual consent in negotiation.</p> <p>There is the view that the PA is not authorized to negotiate with Israel, that it does not have sufficient consent of Palestinians. If that is the case though, then probably Palestine will remain subordinated for another 20 years or so, at least.</p> <p>What do you recommend? Act now, or wait.</p> You know, NOW is the time to be writing Congress and President to urge participation in the peace conference that is respectful for the Palestinians, that urges genuine mutual consent in negotiation.

There is the view that the PA is not authorized to negotiate with Israel, that it does not have sufficient consent of Palestinians. If that is the case though, then probably Palestine will remain subordinated for another 20 years or so, at least.

What do you recommend? Act now, or wait.

]]> By: ej http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68167 ej Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68167 <p>RW<br /> I would recommend that Israel gets the fuck out of all the occupied territories (including) Gaza. Now.<br /> That would make the Israeli leadership both assertive and ethical. <br /> Can one be assertive without being criminal? certainly.<br /> Is the Israeli leadership being criminally assertive just because it can?<br /> Taking out revenge for past abuse against Jews on a people who had nothing to do with it?<br /> But of course the Israeli leadership is not going to get out of the occupied territories. Ever.<br /> So that makes it assertive and unethical.<br /> RW's conundrum doesn't exist in practice.</p> RW
I would recommend that Israel gets the fuck out of all the occupied territories (including) Gaza. Now.
That would make the Israeli leadership both assertive and ethical.
Can one be assertive without being criminal? certainly.
Is the Israeli leadership being criminally assertive just because it can?
Taking out revenge for past abuse against Jews on a people who had nothing to do with it?
But of course the Israeli leadership is not going to get out of the occupied territories. Ever.
So that makes it assertive and unethical.
RW's conundrum doesn't exist in practice.

]]> By: trouvere http://mondoweiss.net/2007/11/to-my-horror-th.html/comment-page-1#comment-68168 trouvere Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/11/07/to-my-horror-th.html#comment-68168 <p>I recommend Joachim's pieces on Zionist media. (And he's got a clip of a scene from the movie.)</p> <p>By the way, do I remember correctly that Leon Uris was encouraged by the Israeli government to write the novel?</p> I recommend Joachim's pieces on Zionist media. (And he's got a clip of a scene from the movie.)

By the way, do I remember correctly that Leon Uris was encouraged by the Israeli government to write the novel?

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