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	<title>Comments on: AJC&#8217;s Survey About Jewish Consciousness Is Backward</title>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I think, ala Silverstein/Petras, that the body of liberal American Jewry is licensing the neocons as members of our family to go out and beat up the Arabs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In a dialectic analysis, this is what Hegel would call the internal contradiction that will ultimately destroy the unity of American Jewry. On the one hand, it professes to be tolerant and liberal; on the other, it enjoys seeing Palestinians and Arabs &quot;beat up&quot; (as you call it; I call it genocided) by Jews and US forces sent into the Middle East at the behest of Jews. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jews are slowly being forced to face the schizophrenic nature of their position. Ultimately,  they are going to have to make a choice of either becoming hard-ass killer Neocons, or cutting the Zionists loose and assimilating into humanity. There are no two-ways about it; not anymore.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I think, ala Silverstein/Petras, that the body of liberal American Jewry is licensing the neocons as members of our family to go out and beat up the Arabs.&quot;</p>
<p>In a dialectic analysis, this is what Hegel would call the internal contradiction that will ultimately destroy the unity of American Jewry. On the one hand, it professes to be tolerant and liberal; on the other, it enjoys seeing Palestinians and Arabs &quot;beat up&quot; (as you call it; I call it genocided) by Jews and US forces sent into the Middle East at the behest of Jews. </p>
<p>Jews are slowly being forced to face the schizophrenic nature of their position. Ultimately,  they are going to have to make a choice of either becoming hard-ass killer Neocons, or cutting the Zionists loose and assimilating into humanity. There are no two-ways about it; not anymore.  </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please watch:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=W2AaDg7-zD0&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;.......&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please watch:</p>
<p>http://youtube.com/watch?v=W2AaDg7-zD0</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/ajcs-survey-abo.html/comment-page-1#comment-66852</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Take a look and see what you think:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH0o_07BBk0&amp;NR=1&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look and see what you think:</p>
<p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH0o_07BBk0&amp;NR=1</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/ajcs-survey-abo.html/comment-page-1#comment-66853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Jews are ... mostly for a Palestinian state. Yes, but by nearly 2-to-1 [are] against the division of Jerusalem.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If South Africa&#039;s experience is any guide, the bantustan-like West Bank Palestinian state -- criss-crossed by Israeli roads, pockmarked with settlements, and cut off from transport links -- is not viable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Support for such a state is hardly an indication of liberalism. Coupled with the hard line against sharing Jerusalem, it can be seen rather as a vain, escapist desire to (literally) wall out the Palestinian problem in the hopes that it, or they, will go away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Such doomed-from-the-start &quot;solutions&quot; were nothing but a futile stalling tactic in apartheid South Africa. The same will likely prove to be true in Israel-Palestine. But the eventual one-state solution is considered so far beyond the pale that the question wasn&#039;t even asked. However, in the minds of the 82% who believe that the Palestinians&#039; goal is to &quot;destroy Israel,&quot; the loss of a Jewish majority probably constitutes &quot;destruction.&quot; Whereas to some of us, it would represent &quot;normalcy&quot; for the first time in Israel&#039;s troubled history.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Jews are &#8230; mostly for a Palestinian state. Yes, but by nearly 2-to-1 [are] against the division of Jerusalem.&quot;</p>
<p>If South Africa&#39;s experience is any guide, the bantustan-like West Bank Palestinian state &#8212; criss-crossed by Israeli roads, pockmarked with settlements, and cut off from transport links &#8212; is not viable.</p>
<p>Support for such a state is hardly an indication of liberalism. Coupled with the hard line against sharing Jerusalem, it can be seen rather as a vain, escapist desire to (literally) wall out the Palestinian problem in the hopes that it, or they, will go away.</p>
<p>Such doomed-from-the-start &quot;solutions&quot; were nothing but a futile stalling tactic in apartheid South Africa. The same will likely prove to be true in Israel-Palestine. But the eventual one-state solution is considered so far beyond the pale that the question wasn&#39;t even asked. However, in the minds of the 82% who believe that the Palestinians&#39; goal is to &quot;destroy Israel,&quot; the loss of a Jewish majority probably constitutes &quot;destruction.&quot; Whereas to some of us, it would represent &quot;normalcy&quot; for the first time in Israel&#39;s troubled history.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/ajcs-survey-abo.html/comment-page-1#comment-66854</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ed - Wouldn&#039;t the synthesis to this dialectic be the progressive zionism of Richard Silverstein that promotes a viable two state solution with mutual recognition of the other and an end to head bashing (on both sides)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that if you ask most Jews and Palestinians what they actually want, it is close to the same thing - a homeland and the ability to express their culture without fear of others repressing them. I would bet that if you polled American Jews on the following the question - Would you support a viable, independent Palestinian state living in peace with Israel - the vast majority of them would respond affirmatively. In fact, in May, 2007, a Zogby International poll indicated that 72 percent of American Jews “strongly support” and 7 percent “somewhat” support a “peace agreement that included the establishment of an independent, secure Pal. state alongside an independent secure Israeli state, and resolved final status issues of Jersualeam, refugees and borders.”  That&#039;s 79% of American Jews. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know personally know any Jews who want to beat up or kill Arabs. I know a lot of Jews who want to prevent Arabs from beating up or killing Jews, but there is a serious difference. Are there such Jews who have such ugly desires? I would think there is since every group has its sociopaths, but I don&#039;t think that Jews or Arabs are any different from one another in this regard. If you have evidence proving otherwise I will remain open minded.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you polled American Jews with the question &quot;Do you support a one state solution?&quot; the numbers would be quite small. Is this what you are proposing?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8211; Wouldn&#39;t the synthesis to this dialectic be the progressive zionism of Richard Silverstein that promotes a viable two state solution with mutual recognition of the other and an end to head bashing (on both sides)?</p>
<p>I believe that if you ask most Jews and Palestinians what they actually want, it is close to the same thing &#8211; a homeland and the ability to express their culture without fear of others repressing them. I would bet that if you polled American Jews on the following the question &#8211; Would you support a viable, independent Palestinian state living in peace with Israel &#8211; the vast majority of them would respond affirmatively. In fact, in May, 2007, a Zogby International poll indicated that 72 percent of American Jews “strongly support” and 7 percent “somewhat” support a “peace agreement that included the establishment of an independent, secure Pal. state alongside an independent secure Israeli state, and resolved final status issues of Jersualeam, refugees and borders.”  That&#39;s 79% of American Jews. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t know personally know any Jews who want to beat up or kill Arabs. I know a lot of Jews who want to prevent Arabs from beating up or killing Jews, but there is a serious difference. Are there such Jews who have such ugly desires? I would think there is since every group has its sociopaths, but I don&#39;t think that Jews or Arabs are any different from one another in this regard. If you have evidence proving otherwise I will remain open minded.</p>
<p>If you polled American Jews with the question &quot;Do you support a one state solution?&quot; the numbers would be quite small. Is this what you are proposing?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Wouldn&#039;t the synthesis to this dialectic be the progressive zionism of Richard Silverstein...?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given that Zionism as an inherently racialist, bigoted movement, &quot;progressive zionism&quot; is itself a contradiction in terms. I have seen nothing in modern Jewish history (20th century forward) to suggest that it has anything but malign intentions towards gentiles in general and (at this point in time) Arabs in particular (see http://www.judeofascism.com/ ) other than professions of liberalism from diaspora Jews in order to gain a foothold in Jewish-minority countries that can then be leveraged into the imposition of Jewish authoritarianism on the country and the world (see the Soviet Union, Neocons and the Iraq war). I think of it in these terms: Thesis = Judeofascism; Antitheses = anti-Semitism; synthesis = Neoconservatism/Christian Zionism (which Judeofascists largely control). We are all currently trapped in a vicious cycle with Judeofascists as the constant. Remove the Judeofascists, remove the problem. That&#039;s why I support the two-state solution--to quarantine the Judeofascists in Israel behind their walls until they are ready to humanize themselves. Prosecute the hard-core Christian Zionists in government for their treason on behalf of Israel. It&#039;s really the only solution. Everything else is just hand-wringing and delay that is costing precious lives and will probably lead to WWIII.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Wouldn&#39;t the synthesis to this dialectic be the progressive zionism of Richard Silverstein&#8230;?&quot;</p>
<p>Given that Zionism as an inherently racialist, bigoted movement, &quot;progressive zionism&quot; is itself a contradiction in terms. I have seen nothing in modern Jewish history (20th century forward) to suggest that it has anything but malign intentions towards gentiles in general and (at this point in time) Arabs in particular (see <a href="http://www.judeofascism.com/">link to judeofascism.com</a><br /> ) other than professions of liberalism from diaspora Jews in order to gain a foothold in Jewish-minority countries that can then be leveraged into the imposition of Jewish authoritarianism on the country and the world (see the Soviet Union, Neocons and the Iraq war). I think of it in these terms: Thesis = Judeofascism; Antitheses = anti-Semitism; synthesis = Neoconservatism/Christian Zionism (which Judeofascists largely control). We are all currently trapped in a vicious cycle with Judeofascists as the constant. Remove the Judeofascists, remove the problem. That&#39;s why I support the two-state solution&#8211;to quarantine the Judeofascists in Israel behind their walls until they are ready to humanize themselves. Prosecute the hard-core Christian Zionists in government for their treason on behalf of Israel. It&#39;s really the only solution. Everything else is just hand-wringing and delay that is costing precious lives and will probably lead to WWIII.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ed - Can you specify what is the criteria for being a &quot;judeofacist&quot; and how you would quarantine said fascists in Israel?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8211; Can you specify what is the criteria for being a &quot;judeofacist&quot; and how you would quarantine said fascists in Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Can you specify what is the criteria for being a &quot;judeofacist&quot; and how you would quarantine said fascists in Israel?”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is one stab at defining a Judeofascist: &lt;br /&gt;
What is &quot;Judeofascism&quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.judeofascism.com/2007/12/what-is-judeofascism.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In terms of quarantine, it would be a process of prosecution, deportation and self-banishment. For example, Scooter Libby was convicted of federal obstruction and perjury charges related to the treasonous disclosure of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. (He received 30 month prison sentence which was commuted by Christian Zionist George W. Bush).  Libby is a Jewish nationalist Zionist. There is reasonable suspicion that his treason was motivated by his Jewish Zionist beliefs. If proven, I believe he should serve his time, be stripped of US citizenship and deported to Israel, where he has de jure citizenship. Another example is the Libby vein (albeit as yet unconvicted) is Douglas Feith, who, with his boss Paul Wolfowitz, used the Pentagon Office of Special Plans to assemble false evidence implicating Iraq in possession of WMD and ties to 9/11--false evidence which was subsequently injected into the US intelligence stream in order to enable the invasion of Iraq. Again, both Feith and Wolfowitz are Jewish nationalist Zionists whose treason was likely motivated by loyalties to Israel. Given their behavior, I believe Libby, Feith and Wolfowitz all qualify as Judeofascists eligible for loss of US citizenship and deportation to Israel. Are there others? Richard Perle comes to mind. Also, AIPAC is filled with Jewish nationalist Zionist pro-Israel lobbyists who as of yet haven’t been  forced to register as agents of a foreign power, but who have demonstrated a persistent, religious willingness to subordinate the bests interests of the US to those Israel. If they were forced to register, many of them would probably decide to make Aliyah on their own. And why shouldn’t they? That’s where their primary loyalties lie. Sooner or later Jewish nationalist Zionists will get the message that their treasonous intentions make them unwelcome in America. Hopefully, most will invoke their right of return. Good riddance.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Can you specify what is the criteria for being a &quot;judeofacist&quot; and how you would quarantine said fascists in Israel?”</p>
<p>Here is one stab at defining a Judeofascist: <br />
What is &quot;Judeofascism&quot;? <br />
<a href="http://www.judeofascism.com/2007/12/what-is-judeofascism.html/p">link to judeofascism.com</a></p>
<p>In terms of quarantine, it would be a process of prosecution, deportation and self-banishment. For example, Scooter Libby was convicted of federal obstruction and perjury charges related to the treasonous disclosure of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. (He received 30 month prison sentence which was commuted by Christian Zionist George W. Bush).  Libby is a Jewish nationalist Zionist. There is reasonable suspicion that his treason was motivated by his Jewish Zionist beliefs. If proven, I believe he should serve his time, be stripped of US citizenship and deported to Israel, where he has de jure citizenship. Another example is the Libby vein (albeit as yet unconvicted) is Douglas Feith, who, with his boss Paul Wolfowitz, used the Pentagon Office of Special Plans to assemble false evidence implicating Iraq in possession of WMD and ties to 9/11&#8211;false evidence which was subsequently injected into the US intelligence stream in order to enable the invasion of Iraq. Again, both Feith and Wolfowitz are Jewish nationalist Zionists whose treason was likely motivated by loyalties to Israel. Given their behavior, I believe Libby, Feith and Wolfowitz all qualify as Judeofascists eligible for loss of US citizenship and deportation to Israel. Are there others? Richard Perle comes to mind. Also, AIPAC is filled with Jewish nationalist Zionist pro-Israel lobbyists who as of yet haven’t been  forced to register as agents of a foreign power, but who have demonstrated a persistent, religious willingness to subordinate the bests interests of the US to those Israel. If they were forced to register, many of them would probably decide to make Aliyah on their own. And why shouldn’t they? That’s where their primary loyalties lie. Sooner or later Jewish nationalist Zionists will get the message that their treasonous intentions make them unwelcome in America. Hopefully, most will invoke their right of return. Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ed, I read through your criteria for judeofascists and its seemingly a very small number of people we are talking about here. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A couple of questions:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You say - Judeofascists believe that Jews are racially and religiously superior to non-Jews (gentiles) and that this supremacy gives them certain rights and privileges over gentiles either through historical fiat or in the eyes of God&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you really think that Paul Wolfowitz believes he is racially and religiously superior to Dick Cheney? Do you think that he believes he is racially and religiously superior to his ex-girlfriend who was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
What about American Jews who care about Israel, but don&#039;t think Jews are racially or spiritually superior to anyone. Are these folks considered Judeofascists?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I read through your criteria for judeofascists and its seemingly a very small number of people we are talking about here. </p>
<p>A couple of questions:</p>
<p>You say &#8211; Judeofascists believe that Jews are racially and religiously superior to non-Jews (gentiles) and that this supremacy gives them certain rights and privileges over gentiles either through historical fiat or in the eyes of God</p>
<p>Do you really think that Paul Wolfowitz believes he is racially and religiously superior to Dick Cheney? Do you think that he believes he is racially and religiously superior to his ex-girlfriend who was a Muslim from Saudi Arabia?</p>
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What about American Jews who care about Israel, but don&#39;t think Jews are racially or spiritually superior to anyone. Are these folks considered Judeofascists?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What they believe by itself doesn&#039;t matter; its their actions in conjunction with their beliefs that establishes motive. In the case of Wolfowitz, the question is: was he motivated by Zionism (Jewish nationalism) to betray his country and help deceive it into war? I believe he was, as I believe were many other Jewish Zionists in government and media. Dick Cheney was motivated by different forces (greed, megalomania, American nationalism) and should thus be prosecuted and punished on different grounds. Can Dick Cheney be deported to Israel? No, he&#039;s not Jewish and he wasn&#039;t motivated by Zionism. Let the punishment fit the crime.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they believe by itself doesn&#39;t matter; its their actions in conjunction with their beliefs that establishes motive. In the case of Wolfowitz, the question is: was he motivated by Zionism (Jewish nationalism) to betray his country and help deceive it into war? I believe he was, as I believe were many other Jewish Zionists in government and media. Dick Cheney was motivated by different forces (greed, megalomania, American nationalism) and should thus be prosecuted and punished on different grounds. Can Dick Cheney be deported to Israel? No, he&#39;s not Jewish and he wasn&#39;t motivated by Zionism. Let the punishment fit the crime.</p>
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