Comments on: ‘Charlie Wilson’s War’ Cites Power of Israel Lobby. Who Gave Them Permission? http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 23:44:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: Alan http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66753 Alan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66753 <p>Phil - Not that a movie about Palestinian refugee camps wouldn't be valuable, but what movies have made a big to do about the DP camps after WW II? I'm a relatively big movie buff and I can't think of any of the top of my head that address these camps. </p> <p>Phil - Do you think that ANY of your commenters here are "anti-semitic"? If so, which ones, and based on what criteria?<br /> </p> Phil – Not that a movie about Palestinian refugee camps wouldn't be valuable, but what movies have made a big to do about the DP camps after WW II? I'm a relatively big movie buff and I can't think of any of the top of my head that address these camps.

Phil – Do you think that ANY of your commenters here are "anti-semitic"? If so, which ones, and based on what criteria?

]]> By: me http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66754 me Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66754 <p>I have to start resting some of the responsibility on non-Jews - we simply have to start ignoring or laughing at the 'anti semite ' charge - true that powerful Jewish groups can do a lot to wreck your career even if you stand up to them - but its basically all based on fear - the Jewish elite has us like deer in the headlights. We have to realize we're not deer!</p> <p>Having grown up in NYC, I am used to this behavior and I don't put up with it. But then again, I am not a celebrity or politician who will be ran through the mud. </p> I have to start resting some of the responsibility on non-Jews – we simply have to start ignoring or laughing at the 'anti semite ' charge – true that powerful Jewish groups can do a lot to wreck your career even if you stand up to them – but its basically all based on fear – the Jewish elite has us like deer in the headlights. We have to realize we're not deer!

Having grown up in NYC, I am used to this behavior and I don't put up with it. But then again, I am not a celebrity or politician who will be ran through the mud.

]]> By: me http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66755 me Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66755 <p>Hollywood has made over 180 major motion films about the Holocaust, not one about Stalin's willing executioners, or the ethnic cleansing of Palestine which is continuing as we speak.</p> Hollywood has made over 180 major motion films about the Holocaust, not one about Stalin's willing executioners, or the ethnic cleansing of Palestine which is continuing as we speak.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66756 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66756 <p>What do you think? How many with internet access have or will<br /> ever access Phil's blog? It's like a DP camp of its own, or rather, a place where current or former DPs come to view color film of themselves, rather than (so removed) B & W film of reality which, in turn, very few come to observe. </p> What do you think? How many with internet access have or will
ever access Phil's blog? It's like a DP camp of its own, or rather, a place where current or former DPs come to view color film of themselves, rather than (so removed) B & W film of reality which, in turn, very few come to observe.

]]> By: David http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66757 David Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66757 <p>A collective guilt complex over the Holocaust™ kept most of the gentile world from speaking out at Israel's behavior in '47-'48, but they knew about it.</p> <p>The famous war journalist Dorothy Thompson made this documentary in 1950--<br /> "Sands of Sorrow"<br /> http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=892542142032491827</p> A collective guilt complex over the Holocaust™ kept most of the gentile world from speaking out at Israel's behavior in '47-'48, but they knew about it.

The famous war journalist Dorothy Thompson made this documentary in 1950–
"Sands of Sorrow"
link to video.google.ca

]]> By: Ed. http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66758 Ed. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66758 <p>"Jews are part of the establishment and have true power, the ability to influence others' lives. It would be nice to see more responsibility."</p> <p>Dream on, Phil. You yourself recently cited an AJC poll that (despite unconditional support for Israel for decades, to great US tragedy and detriment) found that 87% of US Jews still see American anti-Semitism as "a very serious problem" or "somewhat of a problem" and found that 91% of US Jews expected anti-Semitism around the world to "stay the same," "increase somewhat," or "increase greatly."</p> <p>http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html#comments</p> <p>Fear and loathing, paranoia and neurosis obviously isn't the result of anti-Semitism in America; they are obviously conditioned into the Jewish people by organized Judaism itself for its own purposes. And you want that irrational, paranoid, neurotic collective filled with fear and loathing of the gentiles that surround it to act "responsibly" toward people that they believe mean them harm? That itself is a fantasy.</p> <p>Kevin McDonald is right: Due to their conditioned fear and hatred of gentiles, most Jews in America (unfortunately) comprise a "hostile elite."</p> <p>http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/blog.htm</p> <p>This explains why America is having, and will continue to have, huge social, political and economic dislocation: a powerful minority within despises its neighbors, and on some level wants to see them suffer. It also apparently believes it is an imperative to extract as many resources as possible from them before those neighbors finally and inevitably turn on them so they can at least live comfortably in Israel with their extracted loot. </p> <p>Is all this conscious? Probably not. But unfortunately it is a psychological reality painstakingly constructed by organized Jewry Jew by Jew over the course of centuries.</p> <p>The history of anti-Semitism is one of organized Jewry deliberately bringing about self-fulfilling prophecy on its own people in order to keep them in the fold and continually manipulate them in a bizarre, incestuous relationship.</p> "Jews are part of the establishment and have true power, the ability to influence others' lives. It would be nice to see more responsibility."

Dream on, Phil. You yourself recently cited an AJC poll that (despite unconditional support for Israel for decades, to great US tragedy and detriment) found that 87% of US Jews still see American anti-Semitism as "a very serious problem" or "somewhat of a problem" and found that 91% of US Jews expected anti-Semitism around the world to "stay the same," "increase somewhat," or "increase greatly."

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html#comments

Fear and loathing, paranoia and neurosis obviously isn't the result of anti-Semitism in America; they are obviously conditioned into the Jewish people by organized Judaism itself for its own purposes. And you want that irrational, paranoid, neurotic collective filled with fear and loathing of the gentiles that surround it to act "responsibly" toward people that they believe mean them harm? That itself is a fantasy.

Kevin McDonald is right: Due to their conditioned fear and hatred of gentiles, most Jews in America (unfortunately) comprise a "hostile elite."

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/blog.htm

This explains why America is having, and will continue to have, huge social, political and economic dislocation: a powerful minority within despises its neighbors, and on some level wants to see them suffer. It also apparently believes it is an imperative to extract as many resources as possible from them before those neighbors finally and inevitably turn on them so they can at least live comfortably in Israel with their extracted loot.

Is all this conscious? Probably not. But unfortunately it is a psychological reality painstakingly constructed by organized Jewry Jew by Jew over the course of centuries.

The history of anti-Semitism is one of organized Jewry deliberately bringing about self-fulfilling prophecy on its own people in order to keep them in the fold and continually manipulate them in a bizarre, incestuous relationship.

]]> By: Lone Jew http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66759 Lone Jew Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66759 <p>Ed - I think you're on to something, but what can I, a lone Jew who has been kept out of the cabal, do to break out of this horrible historical condition. I love my non-Jewish neighbors as much as I love my Jewish neighbors; Some much more actually, some a little less. But yet, when I read your comments I get afraid that a cabal of non-jews who fear jews is going to come and kill me. I know it's crazy to think that, since nothing like that has ever happened, and would never happen, but I'm psychologically intense so it's hard not to allow my mind to go there.<br /> Please tell me what I can do to get out of this mess I'm in. I will stop my donations to Haddassah immediately, but what hope is there for me?</p> Ed – I think you're on to something, but what can I, a lone Jew who has been kept out of the cabal, do to break out of this horrible historical condition. I love my non-Jewish neighbors as much as I love my Jewish neighbors; Some much more actually, some a little less. But yet, when I read your comments I get afraid that a cabal of non-jews who fear jews is going to come and kill me. I know it's crazy to think that, since nothing like that has ever happened, and would never happen, but I'm psychologically intense so it's hard not to allow my mind to go there.
Please tell me what I can do to get out of this mess I'm in. I will stop my donations to Haddassah immediately, but what hope is there for me?

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66760 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66760 <p>History certainly shows Jews want to survive as Jews, whatever that means; it's clear other group have not had such a persistent group bent. We could go to the Gypsies for half of the answer, but the difference is: Jewish survival affects Gentiles, but Gypsy survival does not. What to make of this? Everytime a Gentile asks the question he or she is effectively removed to an iceberg to die.</p> History certainly shows Jews want to survive as Jews, whatever that means; it's clear other group have not had such a persistent group bent. We could go to the Gypsies for half of the answer, but the difference is: Jewish survival affects Gentiles, but Gypsy survival does not. What to make of this? Everytime a Gentile asks the question he or she is effectively removed to an iceberg to die.

]]> By: Ed. http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66761 Ed. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66761 <p>[correction] link to the AJC poll on anti-Semitism cited above should have been:</p> <p>http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.3643385/</p> <p>Addendum: as to "a powerful minority within despises its neighbors, and on some level wants to see them suffer", I should also add that, with all the Jewish-establishment and Israel lobby money used to buy policy, Washington itself has internalized the Jewish siege mentality and is circling the wagons against average Americans and is looting them as well. It has been for some time. The stubborn two-party intransigence on Iraq withdrawal is a symptom of this treachery.</p> [correction] link to the AJC poll on anti-Semitism cited above should have been:

http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.3643385/

Addendum: as to "a powerful minority within despises its neighbors, and on some level wants to see them suffer", I should also add that, with all the Jewish-establishment and Israel lobby money used to buy policy, Washington itself has internalized the Jewish siege mentality and is circling the wagons against average Americans and is looting them as well. It has been for some time. The stubborn two-party intransigence on Iraq withdrawal is a symptom of this treachery.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/charlie-wilsons.html/comment-page-1#comment-66762 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/12/31/charlie-wilsons.html#comment-66762 <p>Agree. There's no question that Chaney adopted the Israeli siege mentality, and it's cohort, preemptive war. And that's why we are in the fix we are in. Except Ron Paul, nobody running for commander in chief even has a clue. </p> Agree. There's no question that Chaney adopted the Israeli siege mentality, and it's cohort, preemptive war. And that's why we are in the fix we are in. Except Ron Paul, nobody running for commander in chief even has a clue.

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