If a WASP said he was revulsed by his waspy background, no one would think a thing of it or attack him for his heresy. When a Jew says he is revused by his Jewish heritage he's attacked as some kind of anti-Semite.

I assume, by the way, that you are not Eric Foner, the historian. If you are I assume you'll remember what floor of what hall you lived in at Columbia in 59-60 and what was your rommmate's name that year. Would you happen to recall?

You know I like you, Phil. But you have an annoying way of projecting yr own personal predilections upon society at large & acting as if the entire world is acting out yr own personal dramas.

No, the Israel lobby and Jewish pro-Israel consensus is not about to disintegrate as you project (would that it were so). No, most Jews have absolutely no need, interest or desire for Christmas in whatever form. Christmas, contrary to what you claim, ain't gonna happen…No, most Jews have no problems of dual loyalty as you do since we understand the terms quite differently than you.

So in short, you ARE dreaming, but you're dreaming yr own dream that isn't shared by most other Jews around you.

the coming tragedy for jews in America is their inability to subject their own culture to the same scrutiny that they subject other cultures.

Jews have failed as elites EVERYWHERE in EVERY age. Have you read Kevin MacDonald's "Stalin's Willing Executioners?" Yup, Jewish self absorption allowed them to blow that position too. In Weimar Germany they mismanaged the currency but apparently managed to profit from its demise. Today in the US, Goldman Sachs sells worthless subprime paper and then makes an additional profit from shorting it!! (Just one example…there are thousands).
How long can this malarkey go on before a major backlash occurs?

Weiss can see over the horizon however dimly. He senses that Jewish dual loyalty as understood ny the majority of Americans is gonna cause your dream to end in tears.

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PW, I like your discussion on the WASP-Jewish power shift – something no one seems willing to discuss, but frankly, as booted out member of the old guard, all I can say is the Jewish elite have been very poor custodians, precisely because of their hostility towards the core culture, and what we are seeing is the beginning of a massive failure of predominately Jewish stewardship, largely because of massive hypocrisy and insincerity. For example, do we really think neocons were/are concerned about the well-being or democratic nature of Muslim countries?

I agree with you that there is no benefit from watering down Christmas or Thanksgiving. Phil seems to be thinking out loud, as he does on many of his posts, which is why he sounds like a blabbering idiot on this issue. Sadly, you sound just as silly.

Gene,
"If a WASP said he was revulsed by his waspy background, no one would think a thing of it or attack him for his heresy. When a Jew says he is revused by his Jewish heritage he's attacked as some kind of anti-Semite."

Where do you come up with this stuff? You make a claim that Jews are some way, which "they" aren't and then you bash them with it.
A WASP who is able to gain some perspective on his own ethnic group is a more enlightened individual. Same goes for the Jew who is able to do the same. The WASP who hates his own ethnic group is a self-hating WASP, just as the Jew who hates his own ethnic group is a self-hating Jew.

I highly doubt that "Eric Foner" is THE Eric Foner, but if he is, hopefully he will share more with us as the level of disinformation by Weiss and his minions in the comments section is quite high.

I think Silverstein could as well have written:'Jews have absolutely no need, interest or disire for ANYTHING CHRISTIAN'.
This may be true for him and many others but not for Phil since Phil, by his intellectual temperament and outlook, has more an affinity to universal, inclusive (Christian) values than to exclusive (tribal) Jewish ones.

The concept of the eternal struggle between the Jews and their enemies, which is at the heart of much of the Jewish worldview, is not Phil's worldview.