Comments on: ‘No End In Sight’ Director Continues to Rationalize Iraq Invasion

By: cogit8

cogit8 — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Exactly so, Philip. Once the decision had been made by The Decider in Chief to invade Iraq, everything else that (predictably) happened was secondary.

Thom Friedman in March 2003 was the first neo-conman to use a secondary effect (like disbanding the Iraqi army) as excuse for the whole failed project. I wrote the following comment on the NYTimes TF forum:

"Mr. Friedman's columns are so refreshing to read now, especially since he's seen the light on how badly wrong the whole zionist enterprise against Iraq could go. To his credit he is being honest in reporting his concerns. However, his truthfulness is a pleasure to read for those of us who have chaffed at his canards, shiboleths, and early-on warmongering. He is someone who has gotten what they wished for (a war), but who now criticizes the Bush team as the obvious disaster it has always been since day one.

In effect, TF is providing himself and the "give war a chance" faction a way to cover their rears when the unpleasant realities of war and the world's reaction to it come home to roost."

By: David Seaton

David Seaton — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

First: Of course invading Iraq was a criminal mistake. Those who thought it up and perpetrated should all be tried in The Hague.

Second: Having said that, it could have been done better. It would have still have been criminal, but there are criminals and criminals... like the difference between Ocean's Eleven and a filling station holdup.

How could it have been done better?

Concentrate troops in Baghdad where the cameras are, shoot the looters in traditional martial law fashion. Curfew one hour before sunset, shoot anyone on the street during curfew. This is how it has been done for centuries.

Distribute food and cash among the population of Baghdad. Chocolate, silk stockings and cigarettes have been making friends for GIs since time immemorial.

Don't disband anything. Pay all the salaries at once. Promote juniors willing to fink on seniors. Captains become colonels, colonels become generals... encourage the old generals to flee to Uganda or such like. If they don't, leave them to the mercy of the ex-colonels.

All this is ABCs. Why wasn't it done?

Because what you see is what you get. The total destruction of Iraq, not just its regime, was the object of the exercise.

My private theory is that the real Isreali-neocon strategy was to destroy Iraq as a unified nation and then go on to destroy Iran as a unified nation, thereby leaving the Middle East without any centers of power that could ever threaten Israel. It worked in Iraq, but Iran has proved too tough to chew.

By: cogit8

cogit8 — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

DSeaton: Oded Yinon, who in 1982 wrote the "Zionist Plan for the Middle East", confirms your theory of nation-fracture. His paper is a fascinating look into Israel's private thoughts.

By: americangoy

americangoy — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Buchanan on McLaughlin group:
"The Israelis are withdrawing from Gaza because they could not occupy that small strip of land. What makes us think that we can occupy a Gaza that is 100 times bigger?"

http://americangoy.myblogsite.com/

PS
I hate typepad

By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL

NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Excellent blog entry, Phil. However, even Pat Buchanan (saw his appearance on C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' yesterday with neocon advocate host Peter Slen) has fallen for the 'democracy' line asserted by the JINSA/PNAC/AEI as a mask to cover their war for Israel agenda that Kevin MacDonald discusses in his 'Thinking about Neoconservatism' article which is linked near the top of the following URL:

Be sure to also read Kevin MacDonald's 'Thinking about Neoconservatism' article and his 'Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement' monograph which are both linked at the top of the following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32606

http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM

By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL

NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Excellent post about Israeli Oded Yinon's 'divide and conquer' plan for the Middle East as the guy at the following URL (click on the picture there to access the video) mentioned such to Congresswoman Diane Watson and General Eton who was one of the generals who revolted against Rumsfeld:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2007/10/citizen-asks-rep-jane-harman-about.html

Dr. Stephen Sniegoski had written about Yinon's plan in his 'Israeli Origins of Bush II's War' which is linked at the following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=33763

By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL

NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Dr. Sniegoski is coming out with his book (which can currently be pre-ordered at amazon.com) titled the 'The Transparent Cabal' which will address the JINSA/PNAC/AEI push to war in Iraq for Israel via JINSA/PNAC/AEI associated Dick Cheney whose wife is still a fellow up at AEI.

Keep in mind that the JINSA/PNAC Neocons (Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser) were never interested in 'democracy' for Iraq and wanted Chalabi as their pro-Israel dictator to replace Saddam in accordance with their 'A Clean Break'/war for Israel agenda that James Bamford describes on pages 261-269/321 of his 'A Pretext for War' book. Chalabi had promised the 'JINSA crowd' friendly relations with Israel within six months of being 'installed' and had promised to restore the oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel as well (see www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html). The US only pushed the 'democracy' line for Iraq when Sistani insisted on such...

By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL

NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Can read pages about the 'A Clean Break'/war for Israel agenda on pages 261-269/321 from James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book at the following URL (the paperback version of 'A Pretext for War' includes an additional section about the ongoing AIPAC espionage case which the pro-Israel biased US media is hardly covering either):

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=28769

Former CIA Bin Laden unit head said it best:

Israel Not Worth an American Life or an American Dollar:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=82740

Is Bush Stopped in His Tracks on Iran?

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?p=404343#404343

By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL

NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Robert Pape is excellent in that 'Dying to Win' book which Phil mentioned in the blog entry above. Pape conveys that the majority of suicide bombers are motivated by the occupation of their land and not because of a radical ideology as the same guy in the exchange with 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton mentioned via the following URL:

Video that gets to the Israel question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg

Additional at the following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590

By: MM

MM — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Hear, hear. Phil, this is why so many young, anti-war activists cannot even stomach the Democratic party these days.

"If only the incompetent Bush administration hadn't blah blah blah..."

They have no vision, no principles, well, except for pre-emptive war, for profit. Clinton, Pelosi, Waxman, Schumer, all these 21st century U.S. "liberals" who are too timid (read: bought off) to come out and say the obvious: Causing genocide is immoral, those who cause genocide are not incompetent, they are war criminals.

Add: I also believe that chaos and a fractured state were the goals in Iraq from the git-go. Hearing all the hollow lip service to democracy and freedom have frequently made me want to slice off my ears.