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		<title>By: the sword of gideon</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65908</link>
		<dc:creator>the sword of gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see Arab representatives in the knesset number one. And NUMBER TWO, ARABS CAN SERVE IN THE ISRAELI ARMY. SAYING THEY CAN&#039;T IS ABSOLUTE LIE. What they aren&#039;t is conscripted.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Arab representatives in the knesset number one. And NUMBER TWO, ARABS CAN SERVE IN THE ISRAELI ARMY. SAYING THEY CAN&#39;T IS ABSOLUTE LIE. What they aren&#39;t is conscripted.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65909</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And doesn&#039;t that make all the difference?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And doesn&#39;t that make all the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65910</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s the deal with your choice of headlines, Phil?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is this a tabloid site in your mind?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you err on the side of complaint, rather than proposal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its lazy to end at complaint.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Propose a SOLUTION to the multiple problems, already. Or join those that are pursuing solution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That takes involvement, rather than comfortable fundamental dissent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ilan Pappe is not listened to, and won&#039;t be in Israel, nor will Norman Finkelstein, because he ignores and denigrates the real concerns of the Israeli populace.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A skillful critic can assist people to understand that x worry is no longer relevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When people are only condemned for a sliver of the reality that they live within, they dismiss even productive comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thats what occurred with Walt and Mearsheimer. The carelessly issued a polemic originally (the London Review article), with a title that described it as a polemic. Then, they and you whined, that others weren&#039;t reading their work in detail, and treating it as an attack only.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s the deal with your choice of headlines, Phil?</p>
<p>Is this a tabloid site in your mind?</p>
<p>I think you err on the side of complaint, rather than proposal.</p>
<p>Its lazy to end at complaint.</p>
<p>Propose a SOLUTION to the multiple problems, already. Or join those that are pursuing solution.</p>
<p>That takes involvement, rather than comfortable fundamental dissent.</p>
<p>Ilan Pappe is not listened to, and won&#39;t be in Israel, nor will Norman Finkelstein, because he ignores and denigrates the real concerns of the Israeli populace.</p>
<p>A skillful critic can assist people to understand that x worry is no longer relevant.</p>
<p>When people are only condemned for a sliver of the reality that they live within, they dismiss even productive comments.</p>
<p>Thats what occurred with Walt and Mearsheimer. The carelessly issued a polemic originally (the London Review article), with a title that described it as a polemic. Then, they and you whined, that others weren&#39;t reading their work in detail, and treating it as an attack only.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest II</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65911</link>
		<dc:creator>Protest II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;civility, honor do not count.&lt;br /&gt;
phil is dishing out a false and fake picture to the mob.&lt;br /&gt;
is there an end in sight?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>civility, honor do not count.<br />
phil is dishing out a false and fake picture to the mob.<br />
is there an end in sight?</p>
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		<title>By: philsmother</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65912</link>
		<dc:creator>philsmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lies about Jews, especially those told and retold despite being proven as such, are a bad idea, Phil. Arabs own property, serve in the army, vote, serve on juries in which Jews are convicted of crimes.&lt;br /&gt;
And Matzoh isn&#039;t made with Chriatian blood either. For the record.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies about Jews, especially those told and retold despite being proven as such, are a bad idea, Phil. Arabs own property, serve in the army, vote, serve on juries in which Jews are convicted of crimes.<br />
And Matzoh isn&#39;t made with Chriatian blood either. For the record.</p>
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		<title>By: Calypso</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65913</link>
		<dc:creator>Calypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Posted by: Richard Witty &lt;br /&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The solution Witty is to get off the Palestine land. If Israel was doing this on American land we would be killing you hand over fist not just shooting off homemade bombs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Posted by: Protest II&lt;br /&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Go sell crazy elsewhere. No one here just fell off the turnip truck yesterday...you are seeing the end in sight in this statement...the end says no more bullshit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Philip isn&#039;t telling the world anything they haven&#039;t already seen for themselves. If you idiots want to help Israel commit suicide, fine...keep it up.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted by: Richard Witty <br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>The solution Witty is to get off the Palestine land. If Israel was doing this on American land we would be killing you hand over fist not just shooting off homemade bombs.</p>
<p>Posted by: Protest II<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Go sell crazy elsewhere. No one here just fell off the turnip truck yesterday&#8230;you are seeing the end in sight in this statement&#8230;the end says no more bullshit.</p>
<p>Philip isn&#39;t telling the world anything they haven&#39;t already seen for themselves. If you idiots want to help Israel commit suicide, fine&#8230;keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard, are we supposed to be impressed that you manage to avert your eyes from Israel&#039;s fundamentalist, militarist, ethnic nationalist nature, while naively admonishing us critics to wish for a solution?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How brave of you, Richard. Why don&#039;t you wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and tell us which fills up first?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The solution is called &quot;the right of return.&quot; That&#039;s the solution. Palestinians and post-Zionist Jews living in Palestine, in harmony, like they had achieved before crazy nationalism poisoned the Arabs and the Zionists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just as Nazism as a form of violent radical ethnic nationalism and supremacism needed to be formally banned in Germany and neighboring countries, Zionism will be prohibited in Palestine, as will violent fundamentalist Islam. Both will need to be rooted out, and it may not be easy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But since Israeli Zionists paid for about 6% of current day Israel, how about compensating the Palestinians for the land you took, in some form? That might go a long way toward smoothing things over with the people that were dispossessed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, are we supposed to be impressed that you manage to avert your eyes from Israel&#39;s fundamentalist, militarist, ethnic nationalist nature, while naively admonishing us critics to wish for a solution?</p>
<p>How brave of you, Richard. Why don&#39;t you wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and tell us which fills up first?</p>
<p>The solution is called &quot;the right of return.&quot; That&#39;s the solution. Palestinians and post-Zionist Jews living in Palestine, in harmony, like they had achieved before crazy nationalism poisoned the Arabs and the Zionists.</p>
<p>Just as Nazism as a form of violent radical ethnic nationalism and supremacism needed to be formally banned in Germany and neighboring countries, Zionism will be prohibited in Palestine, as will violent fundamentalist Islam. Both will need to be rooted out, and it may not be easy.</p>
<p>But since Israeli Zionists paid for about 6% of current day Israel, how about compensating the Palestinians for the land you took, in some form? That might go a long way toward smoothing things over with the people that were dispossessed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are indeed &quot;token Arabs&quot; in the IDF, just as token Arabs can be found in the Israeli government and in its public companies. But these &quot;window dressing&quot; Arabs are under-represented in comparison to their percentage of the population, and their promotion prospects are limited. Unlike the U.S., Israel does not have affirmative action, or laws prohibiting the use of religion as a screening factor in employment and housing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Understandably, Israel likes to emphasize its democracy, in which it resembles western countries. What it seeks to obscure is that its housing, schools and jobs are almost entirely segregated by religion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Arguably, a democratic country can vote to discriminate against its religious minorities, as Israel has voted to do. But given that the rest of the developed world has decisively rejected such policies, it ought to be beyond the pale for Israeli partisans to reflexively label overseas criticism as anti-Semitic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel gets criticized not because it is Jewish, but because its conduct is offensive to American and European values. After a hard struggle to defeat their own legal segregation in the 1960s, few Americans have any taste for subsidizing it in Israel. The Israel Lobby continues to extort $3 billion a year from America only by suppressing discussion of Israel&#039;s ugly rejection of the American values of equality and non-discrimination.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are indeed &quot;token Arabs&quot; in the IDF, just as token Arabs can be found in the Israeli government and in its public companies. But these &quot;window dressing&quot; Arabs are under-represented in comparison to their percentage of the population, and their promotion prospects are limited. Unlike the U.S., Israel does not have affirmative action, or laws prohibiting the use of religion as a screening factor in employment and housing.</p>
<p>Understandably, Israel likes to emphasize its democracy, in which it resembles western countries. What it seeks to obscure is that its housing, schools and jobs are almost entirely segregated by religion.</p>
<p>Arguably, a democratic country can vote to discriminate against its religious minorities, as Israel has voted to do. But given that the rest of the developed world has decisively rejected such policies, it ought to be beyond the pale for Israeli partisans to reflexively label overseas criticism as anti-Semitic.</p>
<p>Israel gets criticized not because it is Jewish, but because its conduct is offensive to American and European values. After a hard struggle to defeat their own legal segregation in the 1960s, few Americans have any taste for subsidizing it in Israel. The Israel Lobby continues to extort $3 billion a year from America only by suppressing discussion of Israel&#39;s ugly rejection of the American values of equality and non-discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: the sword of gideon</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65916</link>
		<dc:creator>the sword of gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yah right JIm, you are not critical of Israel because it&#039;s Jewish. Not often you hear a crock of shit like that one.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah right JIm, you are not critical of Israel because it&#39;s Jewish. Not often you hear a crock of shit like that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/are-leftleaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-65917</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although Arabs who volunteer for the IDF are tolerated, the official policy of not conscripting them shows that they are not trusted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Diaspora Jews understandably bristle at the &#039;dual-loyalty canard.&#039; But the soi-disant Jewish homeland has no hesitancy in tarring its Arab citizens with the dual-loyalty slur.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Makes ya think, don&#039;t it?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Arabs who volunteer for the IDF are tolerated, the official policy of not conscripting them shows that they are not trusted.</p>
<p>Diaspora Jews understandably bristle at the &#39;dual-loyalty canard.&#39; But the soi-disant Jewish homeland has no hesitancy in tarring its Arab citizens with the dual-loyalty slur.</p>
<p>Makes ya think, don&#39;t it?</p>
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