Comments on: Obama vs. Clinton: Code for Anti-Israel Lobby vs. Pro?

By: J. Martillo

J. Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

To me the attack on Power looks like poetic justice, for she has been prostituting herself to the Jewish media elite and organized Jewish community for a long time.

Check out link to eaazi.blogspot.com
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By: J. Martillo

J. Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

BTW, Power may not actually have been talking about the Israel Lobby.

The Israel Lobby as Walt & Mearsheimer framed it is a foreign policy issue.

Philip Weiss as often as not addresses the New Jewish elite and the organized Jewish community in terms of their effects on American society.

Now obviously the two standpoints are intertwined, but I spent time at the Joint Massachusetts Legislative Hearing on Sudan divestment in chatting with a lot of the Jewish student activists. While I have found that the upper ranks of the JCPA orchestrated the Save Darfur movement in conjunction with the Neocon leadership as a distraction from Israeli atrocities, the Jewish students approached Darfur as a Jewish responsibility connected with remembering the Holocaust.

Holocaust Promotion is to a large extent a Jewish special interest separate from the Israel Lobby even though the Israel Lobby uses the Holocaust to justify the theft Palestine from the native population.

Holocaust Promotion makes it possible for a wealthy powerful Jewish elite to shield itself from criticism under the cloak of victim status. Even if Israel did not exist, the organized Jewish community would still be devoted to a sort of secular Holocaust religion.

In addition, white conservatives can parade their support for Holocaust Museums and Holocaust shrines as an advertisement for their opposition to racism and anti-Semitism even as they do away for the governmental programs that are trying to overcome the structural disadvantages from which African Americans suffer in the USA.

And here might be where special Jewish interests (and not special Israel Lobby interests) might collide with Power's pet products. The effort or act of Holocaust memorialization can distract from actually fighting ongoing genocides like the Holoexaleipsis (the Great Erasure) that continues in Stolen and Occupied Palestine.

[BTW Power in her general hypocrisy denies that Zionists genocided and continue to genocide the native Palestinian population.]

By: Michael Blaine

Michael Blaine — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Let the American people discuss the issue openly."

Absolutely.

Let's have more democracy in our alleged democeacy.

Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com

By: Michael Blaine

Michael Blaine — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"democracy"

By: CJ Harwood

CJ Harwood — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I had this feeling, when I read attacks on Obama's foreign policy advisers:
The lobby is trying to deceive voters, voters anxious to find a leader who will cut-off Israel, and lead the international effort to coerce Israel out of the occupied Palestinian territory, deceive them by implying Obama offers that possibility and so they need not clamor about Israel, they need not demand another candidate, who will do to Israel what needs doing.
And, at the same time, they are terrifying Obama, that he will lose the election if he promises to do what those voters want.
All this, because Dennis Kucinich, a courageous character, yet did not have the balls to promise this, as his policy, and thereby have a public showdown, by the voters, at the polls, an up-or-down vote.

By: Michael Blaine

Michael Blaine — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

J. Martillo:

Very enlightening post. Thank you.

Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com

By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany

Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Has 'Obama' become a code word for 'anti-Semitic'?
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Being an American first (black or white or Muslim) = anti-Israel lobby = anti-Israel = anti-Semitic. That's the logic.

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer wrote a sort of short manual (around 1850): 'How to win an argument'. Rule number one: 'Try to subsume the position of your adversary under a detested category'.

By: Montag

Montag — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

The same thing happened to Ralph Nader. He tried to be very careful how he handled the Palestinian Question only to be buried in Anti-Arab slanders. Nader actually became furious with the Green Party during his 2000 Campaign because they issued a statement on the Intifada that was sympathetic to the Paletinians. Nader's clique refused to understand that they weren't going to get many Progressive Jewish votes because they were running against the Democratic Party, to which Progressive Jews were fanatically attached. The fact that Nader is of Lebanese descent was just icing on the cake for them.

By: Rowan Berkeley

Rowan Berkeley — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I second the comment that it is great to see the erudite Joachim Martillo here.

By: Tony Lawless

Tony Lawless — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

When will Americans start to gag on the obscene amounts of money it actually takes to run for office in the United States?