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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65443</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When Gustave Gilbert, a psychologist who interviewed the Nuremberg prisoners, talked to Hermann Goering, the former leader of the Third Reich&#039;s Luftwaffe, Goering volunteered that it was relatively easy to persuade a populace to go to war. As quoted in Gilbert&#039;s book &quot;Nuremberg Diary,&quot; Goering said: &quot;It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This goes for the American populace as a whole, and for the Jewish Americans as a subgroup. Most Jewish Americans are Democrats; more were against the Iraq War than the American population as a whole. It&#039;s arguable now that more Jewish Americans favor honoring the official American policy of getting rid of the settlements and simultaneously setting up a separate Palestinian state that is more than rump state than the Americans as a whole (most of whom who have no information at all on the details of the IP question since 1917). Are all Americans as complicit as Jewish Americans in allowing the political elites of both all Americans and Jewish Americans to write a blank check, arguably at the long-term expense of All Americans, and arguably Israel itself? A thought: Most Americans know virtually nothing about facts on the ground in key exotic places like the Middle East, nor do they care. Most Jewish Americans make it a point to know more about this very reality, yet they too allow themselves to be led like sheep. Goering would understand what I am saying here, I imagine. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Gustave Gilbert, a psychologist who interviewed the Nuremberg prisoners, talked to Hermann Goering, the former leader of the Third Reich&#39;s Luftwaffe, Goering volunteered that it was relatively easy to persuade a populace to go to war. As quoted in Gilbert&#39;s book &quot;Nuremberg Diary,&quot; Goering said: &quot;It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.&quot;</p>
<p>This goes for the American populace as a whole, and for the Jewish Americans as a subgroup. Most Jewish Americans are Democrats; more were against the Iraq War than the American population as a whole. It&#39;s arguable now that more Jewish Americans favor honoring the official American policy of getting rid of the settlements and simultaneously setting up a separate Palestinian state that is more than rump state than the Americans as a whole (most of whom who have no information at all on the details of the IP question since 1917). Are all Americans as complicit as Jewish Americans in allowing the political elites of both all Americans and Jewish Americans to write a blank check, arguably at the long-term expense of All Americans, and arguably Israel itself? A thought: Most Americans know virtually nothing about facts on the ground in key exotic places like the Middle East, nor do they care. Most Jewish Americans make it a point to know more about this very reality, yet they too allow themselves to be led like sheep. Goering would understand what I am saying here, I imagine. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65444</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The way to isolate a segment is to use DISTINCT language to describe them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you and others use the term &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; rather than &quot;conservative Israel lobby&quot;, you lump all liberals in with all the perspectives that you oppose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NO DISTINCTION.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How can we get behind that? Demonization and generalization?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way to isolate a segment is to use DISTINCT language to describe them.</p>
<p>When you and others use the term &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; rather than &quot;conservative Israel lobby&quot;, you lump all liberals in with all the perspectives that you oppose.</p>
<p>NO DISTINCTION.</p>
<p>How can we get behind that? Demonization and generalization?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65445</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is an Obama quote, from the article in the N.J. Jewish Standard linked by Bernard Avishai:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I think everyone knows what the basic outlines of an agreement would look like,&quot; [Obama] said in a speech redistributed by his campaign. &quot;It would mean that the Palestinians would have to reinterpret the notion of right of return in a way that would preserve Israel as a Jewish state.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me make a couple of substitutions to put this statement into a recognizable U.S. context, and let&#039;s see how it sounds:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I think everyone knows what the basic outlines of an agreement would look like,&quot; Kennedy said in a speech redistributed by his campaign. &quot;It would mean that the civil rights marchers would have to reinterpret the notion of civil rights in a way that would preserve America as a white Christian state.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Brave. Very brave. NOT!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an Obama quote, from the article in the N.J. Jewish Standard linked by Bernard Avishai:</p>
<p>&quot;I think everyone knows what the basic outlines of an agreement would look like,&quot; [Obama] said in a speech redistributed by his campaign. &quot;It would mean that the Palestinians would have to reinterpret the notion of right of return in a way that would preserve Israel as a Jewish state.&quot;</p>
<p>Let me make a couple of substitutions to put this statement into a recognizable U.S. context, and let&#39;s see how it sounds:</p>
<p>&quot;I think everyone knows what the basic outlines of an agreement would look like,&quot; Kennedy said in a speech redistributed by his campaign. &quot;It would mean that the civil rights marchers would have to reinterpret the notion of civil rights in a way that would preserve America as a white Christian state.&quot;</p>
<p>Brave. Very brave. NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: hermann</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65446</link>
		<dc:creator>hermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Charles Keating thinks that jews are the adults and non-jews are children.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What an idiot.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Keating thinks that jews are the adults and non-jews are children.</p>
<p>What an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: scorpio</title>
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		<dc:creator>scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;if Bill Clinton was the first Black president of the US, does that make George Bush the first Jewish president? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Bill Clinton was the first Black president of the US, does that make George Bush the first Jewish president? </p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Junior just blew up the  neighborhood with his rocket set&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quite literally. Gary Leupp has &#039;A Sibel Edmonds Timeline&#039; over at Counterpunch where he discusses the probability that &quot;dual Israeli-American national&quot; Marc Grossman and his Neocon claque are dealing American nuclear secrets to Turks and Pakistanis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp01292008.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s stop beating around the Bush: these traitorous scum have become an existential threat to us all.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Junior just blew up the  neighborhood with his rocket set&quot;</p>
<p>Quite literally. Gary Leupp has &#39;A Sibel Edmonds Timeline&#39; over at Counterpunch where he discusses the probability that &quot;dual Israeli-American national&quot; Marc Grossman and his Neocon claque are dealing American nuclear secrets to Turks and Pakistanis.</p>
<p>http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp01292008.html</p>
<p>Let&#39;s stop beating around the Bush: these traitorous scum have become an existential threat to us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65449</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: &quot;Charles Keating thinks  jews are the adults and non-jews are children.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually, both Hitler and Goering viewed the masses, subgroups included, as female. So did Ed Bernays and Goebbels. Sexism has been outed (at least in Western Civilization). The whole art of modern politics is to entertain the vanity and survival concerns of those needed to stay in power or get power. Marketing is everything. Women gained power in the West by getting tired of &lt;br /&gt;
their own ignorance and suspecting they were being abused by&lt;br /&gt;
cultural conditioning when such conditioning was no longer needed to keep the species alive. Children now follow as they reach the age of nonconsent. Economics is the other side of childhood. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &quot;Charles Keating thinks  jews are the adults and non-jews are children.&quot;</p>
<p>Actually, both Hitler and Goering viewed the masses, subgroups included, as female. So did Ed Bernays and Goebbels. Sexism has been outed (at least in Western Civilization). The whole art of modern politics is to entertain the vanity and survival concerns of those needed to stay in power or get power. Marketing is everything. Women gained power in the West by getting tired of <br />
their own ignorance and suspecting they were being abused by<br />
cultural conditioning when such conditioning was no longer needed to keep the species alive. Children now follow as they reach the age of nonconsent. Economics is the other side of childhood. </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65450</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Charles Enderlin is the France 2 Jerusalem correspondent who broadcast the incendiary account of the death of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura at the hands of Israeli troops operating in the Gaza Strip in September 2000. Based on film footage provided by a Palestinian cameraman, Enderlin&#039;s report has become infamous among students of Arab propaganda both for its destructive effects and for its probable falsity. The al-Dura affair now bids to join the Dreyfus affair in the French hall of shame.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Flogging his new book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (The Lost Years) at Harvard&#039;s Center for European Studies on January 17, Enderlin himself exposed a probable Palestinian media hoax in which he had no involvement. The story exposed by Enderlin involved widely circulated reports by the Associated Press, Reuters, and the BBC. As Joel Pollak recounted online at the site Guide to the Perplexed, Enderlin told his Harvard audience &quot;that Yasser Arafat had faked his blood donation to the victims of the September 11th attacks. Enderlin said the event had been staged for the media to counteract the embarrassing television images of Palestinians celebrating in the streets after the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The story of Arafat&#039;s blood donation was reported around the world in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, usually accompanied by photographs depicting Arafat in the apparent act of giving blood at the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Enderlin elaborated on his contention that the scene depicted in the photographs was staged. According to Pollak&#039;s account of Enderlin&#039;s remarks, &quot;Arafat didn&#039;t like needles, and so the doctor put a needle near his arm and agitated a bag of blood. The reporters took the requisite photographs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Should we take his word for it? Enderlin is certainly an experienced and knowledgeable reporter on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But taking Enderlin&#039;s word for the hoax is a bit like trusting the paradoxical assertion of Epimenides, the Cretan philosopher who famously declared that all Cretans are liars. At the least, we should demand to see what Othello called &quot;the ocular proof.&quot; Do the photographs conform to Enderlin&#039;s description of them? In short, the anwer is yes....&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Enderlin is the France 2 Jerusalem correspondent who broadcast the incendiary account of the death of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura at the hands of Israeli troops operating in the Gaza Strip in September 2000. Based on film footage provided by a Palestinian cameraman, Enderlin&#39;s report has become infamous among students of Arab propaganda both for its destructive effects and for its probable falsity. The al-Dura affair now bids to join the Dreyfus affair in the French hall of shame.</p>
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<p>Flogging his new book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (The Lost Years) at Harvard&#39;s Center for European Studies on January 17, Enderlin himself exposed a probable Palestinian media hoax in which he had no involvement. The story exposed by Enderlin involved widely circulated reports by the Associated Press, Reuters, and the BBC. As Joel Pollak recounted online at the site Guide to the Perplexed, Enderlin told his Harvard audience &quot;that Yasser Arafat had faked his blood donation to the victims of the September 11th attacks. Enderlin said the event had been staged for the media to counteract the embarrassing television images of Palestinians celebrating in the streets after the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.&quot;</p>
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<p>The story of Arafat&#39;s blood donation was reported around the world in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, usually accompanied by photographs depicting Arafat in the apparent act of giving blood at the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Enderlin elaborated on his contention that the scene depicted in the photographs was staged. According to Pollak&#39;s account of Enderlin&#39;s remarks, &quot;Arafat didn&#39;t like needles, and so the doctor put a needle near his arm and agitated a bag of blood. The reporters took the requisite photographs.&quot;</p>
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<p>Should we take his word for it? Enderlin is certainly an experienced and knowledgeable reporter on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But taking Enderlin&#39;s word for the hoax is a bit like trusting the paradoxical assertion of Epimenides, the Cretan philosopher who famously declared that all Cretans are liars. At the least, we should demand to see what Othello called &quot;the ocular proof.&quot; Do the photographs conform to Enderlin&#39;s description of them? In short, the anwer is yes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65451</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sorry, I am not to bright. Please explain the connections you make here. Thank you so much. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sorry, I am not to bright. Please explain the connections you make here. Thank you so much. </p>
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		<title>By: David the First</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/podhoretzs-real.html/comment-page-1#comment-65452</link>
		<dc:creator>David the First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no idea what he&#039;s talking about either, Charles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I think we can safely assume he&#039;s not really interested in any of our opinions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what he&#39;s talking about either, Charles.</p>
<p>But I think we can safely assume he&#39;s not really interested in any of our opinions.</p>
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