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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, we&#039;re still in Kansas? Where&#039;s Toto? Is this OZ, or does anyone see a connection between David Duke&#039;s worse fears and the fears of hard-line Jews? How do you balance survival with assimilation? The individual versus the group? Stay tuned. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we&#39;re still in Kansas? Where&#39;s Toto? Is this OZ, or does anyone see a connection between David Duke&#39;s worse fears and the fears of hard-line Jews? How do you balance survival with assimilation? The individual versus the group? Stay tuned. </p>
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		<title>By: Progressive American ZioJews for holo-Exalepsis When-necessary (PAZ-JEW)</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/what-obama-brag.html/comment-page-1#comment-65421</link>
		<dc:creator>Progressive American ZioJews for holo-Exalepsis When-necessary (PAZ-JEW)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;When Ali Abunimah says that Palestine is one country and that Jews and Arabs can learn to live with one another in freedom, I think of Obama&#039;s Kansas.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well I think of the Fuhror&#039;s Reich. That&#039;s all I have to reference anything.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Everything else is lame.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never Again means Muslims and Christians can NEVER be trusted. Never Ever Again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I applaud Obama&#039;s recent letter to UN Amb. Khalilzad and his history of mostly kowtowing to AIPAC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The photographs with Edward Said are a little bit troubling, however. But not knowing what their conversation details, I will conditionally forgive Obama for engaging an &quot;activist&quot; ideologue like Said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still, Obama surely knows that the separation fence, which failing extreme media and &quot;activist&quot; bias, would be more properly called a peace barrier, is for the good of BOTH sides.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Palestinians hate us and want to kill us, as the massacres at Sderot and the homocide-bombing repeatedly demonstrate. THEY HAVE NO LEGITIMATE POLITICAL GRIEVANCE, only anger and bloodlust. They are eschewing ZioJew humanism&#039;s abundant peace gestures, instead succumbing to violent fascist impulses. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the right of return is a fantasy that doesn&#039;t even exist. I&#039;ve never heard of this Universal Declaration of Human Rights thing. Sounds pretty lame, since the ZioJews have been persecuted more than any other people in history, and would never slaughter innocents, or manipulate the trauma of the Shoa to justify a rank colonial landgrab.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t buy it. The rest of you &quot;activists&quot;, go read some books. (And please, NOT ILAN PAPPE, or NORMAN FINKELSTEIN, but some real historians, like Alan Dershowitz.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;When Ali Abunimah says that Palestine is one country and that Jews and Arabs can learn to live with one another in freedom, I think of Obama&#39;s Kansas.&quot;</p>
<p>Well I think of the Fuhror&#39;s Reich. That&#39;s all I have to reference anything.</p>
<p>Everything else is lame.</p>
<p>Never Again means Muslims and Christians can NEVER be trusted. Never Ever Again.</p>
<p>I applaud Obama&#39;s recent letter to UN Amb. Khalilzad and his history of mostly kowtowing to AIPAC.</p>
<p>The photographs with Edward Said are a little bit troubling, however. But not knowing what their conversation details, I will conditionally forgive Obama for engaging an &quot;activist&quot; ideologue like Said.</p>
<p>Still, Obama surely knows that the separation fence, which failing extreme media and &quot;activist&quot; bias, would be more properly called a peace barrier, is for the good of BOTH sides.</p>
<p>The Palestinians hate us and want to kill us, as the massacres at Sderot and the homocide-bombing repeatedly demonstrate. THEY HAVE NO LEGITIMATE POLITICAL GRIEVANCE, only anger and bloodlust. They are eschewing ZioJew humanism&#39;s abundant peace gestures, instead succumbing to violent fascist impulses. </p>
<p>And the right of return is a fantasy that doesn&#39;t even exist. I&#39;ve never heard of this Universal Declaration of Human Rights thing. Sounds pretty lame, since the ZioJews have been persecuted more than any other people in history, and would never slaughter innocents, or manipulate the trauma of the Shoa to justify a rank colonial landgrab.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t buy it. The rest of you &quot;activists&quot;, go read some books. (And please, NOT ILAN PAPPE, or NORMAN FINKELSTEIN, but some real historians, like Alan Dershowitz.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/what-obama-brag.html/comment-page-1#comment-65422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;People surely doubted that blacks and whites could live as equals here.&quot; It was a majority view in 19th century America that blacks were simply not on the same cultural plane as whites, and could never be full participants in a democracy requiring education and literacy. Of course, the inferior education (if any) provided to blacks made this a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Supreme Court&#039;s 1954 decision in Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education ended the era of segregated schools which had helped to buttress this self-perpetuating line of thought.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel, which likes to compare its democracy to America&#039;s, resembles an alternative United States in which the Supreme Court had ruled that &#039;separate but equal&#039; segregated schools were acceptable. Israel is an alternative U.S. in which the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing of 1968 were never passed. And just as one might expect, the pressure cooker of conflict between the privileged group (Jews), the second-class citizens (Israeli Arabs), and the excluded illegals (Palestinians in the occupied territories) has boiled over several times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It isn&#039;t hard to ascertain the facts about Israel&#039;s segregated laws, segregated housing and segregated schools. But somehow the U.S. press, even as it invokes the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King&#039;s civil rights struggle, never gets around to mentioning these anachronistic aspects of Israeli life. They would rather highlight Israel&#039;s vibrant democracy. But a segregated democracy, with different privileges and protections for different groups, is an unstable equilibrium. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s a way out of this impassse. But Israeli zionists, like former U.S. segregationists and South African defenders of apartheid, have dug in their heels and vowed NEVER to yield. Disgracefully, the voices of organized Judaism worldwide have largely supported their futile delusion that they can carry on this way, receiving U.S. subsidies even as they reject U.S. values. Ain&#039;t gonna work!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;People surely doubted that blacks and whites could live as equals here.&quot; It was a majority view in 19th century America that blacks were simply not on the same cultural plane as whites, and could never be full participants in a democracy requiring education and literacy. Of course, the inferior education (if any) provided to blacks made this a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Supreme Court&#39;s 1954 decision in Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education ended the era of segregated schools which had helped to buttress this self-perpetuating line of thought.</p>
<p>Israel, which likes to compare its democracy to America&#39;s, resembles an alternative United States in which the Supreme Court had ruled that &#39;separate but equal&#39; segregated schools were acceptable. Israel is an alternative U.S. in which the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing of 1968 were never passed. And just as one might expect, the pressure cooker of conflict between the privileged group (Jews), the second-class citizens (Israeli Arabs), and the excluded illegals (Palestinians in the occupied territories) has boiled over several times.</p>
<p>It isn&#39;t hard to ascertain the facts about Israel&#39;s segregated laws, segregated housing and segregated schools. But somehow the U.S. press, even as it invokes the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King&#39;s civil rights struggle, never gets around to mentioning these anachronistic aspects of Israeli life. They would rather highlight Israel&#39;s vibrant democracy. But a segregated democracy, with different privileges and protections for different groups, is an unstable equilibrium. </p>
<p>There&#39;s a way out of this impassse. But Israeli zionists, like former U.S. segregationists and South African defenders of apartheid, have dug in their heels and vowed NEVER to yield. Disgracefully, the voices of organized Judaism worldwide have largely supported their futile delusion that they can carry on this way, receiving U.S. subsidies even as they reject U.S. values. Ain&#39;t gonna work!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PAZ-JEW: Very amusing. You had me going for the first paragraph or two, but the satirical nature of your post soon became clear. It&#039;s a hilarious exaggeration, taken far beyond all sense or reason, of what some of the more extreme supporters of Israel believe. Funniest thing I&#039;ve read all morning.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAZ-JEW: Very amusing. You had me going for the first paragraph or two, but the satirical nature of your post soon became clear. It&#39;s a hilarious exaggeration, taken far beyond all sense or reason, of what some of the more extreme supporters of Israel believe. Funniest thing I&#39;ve read all morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cooper and I don&#039;t think that the races should mix. What about you Craig?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Keating already married a jew so we know where he stands.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooper and I don&#39;t think that the races should mix. What about you Craig?</p>
<p>Keating already married a jew so we know where he stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil: I&#039;m with Jim Haywood on this one. It&#039;s really sweet of you to think that America&#039;s history with desegregation should give us hope for Israel, but Israel is really more a sign of what America might have become had the crucial judicial decisions gone the other way (and if JFK and LBJ had been replaced by the heads of the Ku Klux Klan). At most, the American example shows what Israel might have been, not what it might still become.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: I&#39;m with Jim Haywood on this one. It&#39;s really sweet of you to think that America&#39;s history with desegregation should give us hope for Israel, but Israel is really more a sign of what America might have become had the crucial judicial decisions gone the other way (and if JFK and LBJ had been replaced by the heads of the Ku Klux Klan). At most, the American example shows what Israel might have been, not what it might still become.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/what-obama-brag.html/comment-page-1#comment-65426</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really, one could just collect real-life stories and publish an alternative-future novel based on Craig&#039;s concept of JFK and LBJ replaced by the heads of the Ku Klux Klan. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For instance, check out Scott Wilson&#039;s Dec. 20, 2007 article in the Washington Post, titled &quot;For Israel&#039;s Arab Citizens, Isolation and Exclusion.&quot; He details the story of an assimilated Israeli Arab couple, the Zubeidats, who wanted to buy a home in a new town called Rakefet with 150 houses. Wilson describes what ensued:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-----------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the Zubeidats, who speak Hebrew and Arabic fluently, the months-long process began in the summer of 2006. It included a series of interviews and tests, some taken with the dozen or so Jewish applicants also seeking to move in.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;All the questions had to do with how we would integrate into the community,&quot; Fatina said. &quot;We have many, many Jewish friends. We spend our holidays with them, and they do the same. We&#039;re not from outer space, we&#039;re from here.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rejection letter followed a conversation the Zubeidats had with an official from the Misgav Regional Council, which oversees Rakefet and dozens of other nearby towns. He told them, Fatina recalled, that although they were &quot;very nice people,&quot; he would have to begin marketing Rakefet as a &quot;mixed community&quot; to possible buyers in Tel Aviv if they moved in. The designation would hurt sales.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;--------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/3e5bmk&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Zubeidats&#039; rejection would not only be unimaginable, but ILLEGAL, in the United States. In Israel, sadly, the idealistic concept of a safe haven for Jews has translated into crude, exclusionary policies on the ground. Fatina Zubeidat&#039;s eloquent plea that &quot;We&#039;re not from outer space, we&#039;re from here&quot; fell on deaf ears. In segregated Israel, the daring experiment of a &#039;mixed community&#039; would hurt sales.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How is it that Jews who actively participated in the U.S. civil rights movement are comfortable with rank discrimination in Israel? An uncharitable interpretation would be that they were merely opportunistically obtaining privileges for themselves, rather than acting on any belief in universal equality. I&#039;d like to believe that isn&#039;t true. But in light of the closed ranks of organized Judaism in defending Israel, right or wrong, it&#039;s awfully hard to disprove the assertion.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, one could just collect real-life stories and publish an alternative-future novel based on Craig&#39;s concept of JFK and LBJ replaced by the heads of the Ku Klux Klan. </p>
<p>For instance, check out Scott Wilson&#39;s Dec. 20, 2007 article in the Washington Post, titled &quot;For Israel&#39;s Arab Citizens, Isolation and Exclusion.&quot; He details the story of an assimilated Israeli Arab couple, the Zubeidats, who wanted to buy a home in a new town called Rakefet with 150 houses. Wilson describes what ensued:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>For the Zubeidats, who speak Hebrew and Arabic fluently, the months-long process began in the summer of 2006. It included a series of interviews and tests, some taken with the dozen or so Jewish applicants also seeking to move in.</p>
<p>&quot;All the questions had to do with how we would integrate into the community,&quot; Fatina said. &quot;We have many, many Jewish friends. We spend our holidays with them, and they do the same. We&#39;re not from outer space, we&#39;re from here.&quot;</p>
<p>The rejection letter followed a conversation the Zubeidats had with an official from the Misgav Regional Council, which oversees Rakefet and dozens of other nearby towns. He told them, Fatina recalled, that although they were &quot;very nice people,&quot; he would have to begin marketing Rakefet as a &quot;mixed community&quot; to possible buyers in Tel Aviv if they moved in. The designation would hurt sales.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>http://tinyurl.com/3e5bmk</p>
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The Zubeidats&#39; rejection would not only be unimaginable, but ILLEGAL, in the United States. In Israel, sadly, the idealistic concept of a safe haven for Jews has translated into crude, exclusionary policies on the ground. Fatina Zubeidat&#39;s eloquent plea that &quot;We&#39;re not from outer space, we&#39;re from here&quot; fell on deaf ears. In segregated Israel, the daring experiment of a &#39;mixed community&#39; would hurt sales.</p>
<p>How is it that Jews who actively participated in the U.S. civil rights movement are comfortable with rank discrimination in Israel? An uncharitable interpretation would be that they were merely opportunistically obtaining privileges for themselves, rather than acting on any belief in universal equality. I&#39;d like to believe that isn&#39;t true. But in light of the closed ranks of organized Judaism in defending Israel, right or wrong, it&#39;s awfully hard to disprove the assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/01/what-obama-brag.html/comment-page-1#comment-65427</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can Kansas be a model for Israel? The question of what Israel might become, of whether there might be some future non-racist version of Zionism still possible down the road, is ultimately a question about Jewishness. In other words, is what we see in today&#039;s Israel the inevitable expression of an ideology of separatism, survivalism, and holocaustism, or merely an aberration that took some historical wrong turn and can still be &quot;corrected&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure of the answer, but I suspect it&#039;s the former. Of course the pillars of Jewish identity change over time, and so there is always hope. But one thing is sure: this is the question Jews should be discussing but very few are. And what is discouraging is the fact that as more and more damning evidence from The Jewish State piles up, it seems there is less and less inclination to face up to the question.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phil and Richard Silverstein are doing their part (and coming to slightly different answers), as are a few other voices here and in Israel, but basically it&#039;s still a taboo subject.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Kansas be a model for Israel? The question of what Israel might become, of whether there might be some future non-racist version of Zionism still possible down the road, is ultimately a question about Jewishness. In other words, is what we see in today&#39;s Israel the inevitable expression of an ideology of separatism, survivalism, and holocaustism, or merely an aberration that took some historical wrong turn and can still be &quot;corrected&quot;?</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure of the answer, but I suspect it&#39;s the former. Of course the pillars of Jewish identity change over time, and so there is always hope. But one thing is sure: this is the question Jews should be discussing but very few are. And what is discouraging is the fact that as more and more damning evidence from The Jewish State piles up, it seems there is less and less inclination to face up to the question.</p>
<p>Phil and Richard Silverstein are doing their part (and coming to slightly different answers), as are a few other voices here and in Israel, but basically it&#39;s still a taboo subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: &quot;How is it that Jews who actively participated in the U.S. civil rights movement are comfortable with rank discrimination in Israel?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m thinking such Jews aren&#039;t comfortable; otherwise, given the US Civil Rights movment, the history of the 1965 Immigration Act,  the Holocaust Museum in DC even before we had a moument for WW2 GIs there (and its multiplication everywhere), the economic and media  suppression  of the white control in S Africa (and ignoring Israel&#039;s part in upholding that regime), and the tolerance of endless pursuit of old Germans suspected of NAZI atrocities whether legal or otherwise, the American public would have heard about the Palestinians in the MSM for years when exactly the dirth of such details is the actual case. Like an American GI come home with PTS disorder, who really cares other than his or her own family? Americans could give a shit; the proof is in the pudding--we only care when they clog up our sidewalks or parks in their cardboard boxes. Knowing this, Jews and Blacks comprise a separate but equal psychic VA of their own. I think they worry with good reason, hide what they can with good reason--and average gentile Americans should be as concerned about themselves since all political activity is least concerned about individuals even while (since the French Revolution) the rehetoric of individualism flies obfiscation.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &quot;How is it that Jews who actively participated in the U.S. civil rights movement are comfortable with rank discrimination in Israel?&quot;</p>
<p>I&#39;m thinking such Jews aren&#39;t comfortable; otherwise, given the US Civil Rights movment, the history of the 1965 Immigration Act,  the Holocaust Museum in DC even before we had a moument for WW2 GIs there (and its multiplication everywhere), the economic and media  suppression  of the white control in S Africa (and ignoring Israel&#39;s part in upholding that regime), and the tolerance of endless pursuit of old Germans suspected of NAZI atrocities whether legal or otherwise, the American public would have heard about the Palestinians in the MSM for years when exactly the dirth of such details is the actual case. Like an American GI come home with PTS disorder, who really cares other than his or her own family? Americans could give a shit; the proof is in the pudding&#8211;we only care when they clog up our sidewalks or parks in their cardboard boxes. Knowing this, Jews and Blacks comprise a separate but equal psychic VA of their own. I think they worry with good reason, hide what they can with good reason&#8211;and average gentile Americans should be as concerned about themselves since all political activity is least concerned about individuals even while (since the French Revolution) the rehetoric of individualism flies obfiscation.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PAZ-JEW: like Craig said, that was a nice job. (BTW, there&#039;s not a single idea in there that our liberal Mr. Witty has not endorsed, although without the capital letters.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAZ-JEW: like Craig said, that was a nice job. (BTW, there&#39;s not a single idea in there that our liberal Mr. Witty has not endorsed, although without the capital letters.)</p>
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