Comments on: Heilbrunn Retreats From the Ideas in His Book http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/in-the-washingt.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 00:36:13 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jim Haywood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/in-the-washingt.html/comment-page-1#comment-65059 Jim Haywood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/07/in-the-washingt.html#comment-65059 <p>"The sidebar question here is, why is Heilbrunn running away from his own findings?"</p> <p>Jim Lobe, writing in the Asia Times, pegged Heilbrunn as a "lapsed neoconservative himself." He went on to conclude that "Heilbrunn is critical of the neo-conservatives, but he accepts much of their worldview."</p> <p>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA29Ak04.html</p> <p>Having played piano for so many years in the neocons' whorehouse, Heilbrunn is hardly the most credible state witness at their soliciting trial, particularly when he may have his own rap to beat.</p> <p>I am shocked -- SHOCKED -- at Heilbronn's apostasy. ;-)</p> "The sidebar question here is, why is Heilbrunn running away from his own findings?"

Jim Lobe, writing in the Asia Times, pegged Heilbrunn as a "lapsed neoconservative himself." He went on to conclude that "Heilbrunn is critical of the neo-conservatives, but he accepts much of their worldview."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA29Ak04.html

Having played piano for so many years in the neocons' whorehouse, Heilbrunn is hardly the most credible state witness at their soliciting trial, particularly when he may have his own rap to beat.

I am shocked — SHOCKED — at Heilbronn's apostasy. ;-)

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/in-the-washingt.html/comment-page-1#comment-65060 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/07/in-the-washingt.html#comment-65060 <p>Not to worry, the poor goys will keep sending their troops. So, what's new? </p> Not to worry, the poor goys will keep sending their troops. So, what's new?

]]> By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/in-the-washingt.html/comment-page-1#comment-65061 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/07/in-the-washingt.html#comment-65061 <p>"Three of the alleged myths are: The Neocons are Israeli Lackeys, The Neocons Had Too Much Power and Took Over Bush's Brain, and The Neocons Have Been Discredited by the Iraq Debacle."</p> <p><br /> Excuse me please.... for a second...</p> <p>Those are myths?</p> <p>In my opinion the AIPAC crowd (or if you prefer Israeli-firsters) have definitely been a big part of the neocon movement, and the ones who were not were too stupid to realize that they were being used.</p> <p>In my opinion of course.</p> "Three of the alleged myths are: The Neocons are Israeli Lackeys, The Neocons Had Too Much Power and Took Over Bush's Brain, and The Neocons Have Been Discredited by the Iraq Debacle."

Excuse me please…. for a second…

Those are myths?

In my opinion the AIPAC crowd (or if you prefer Israeli-firsters) have definitely been a big part of the neocon movement, and the ones who were not were too stupid to realize that they were being used.

In my opinion of course.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/in-the-washingt.html/comment-page-1#comment-65062 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/07/in-the-washingt.html#comment-65062 <p>At the Nixon Center all he ventured was that the Holocaust was central to the mindset of the (Jewish) neocons and this was "problematic." There seemed to be a consensus by the participants that Iraq was a Bush decision--none voiced rejection to that notion, which was supported by those who did speak. Nothing much was ventured by the participants as to why Bush so decided except that Bush was mad at the Iraqi leader for trying to kill his dad. The Chaney-JINSA-PNAC thread was ignored. Walt & Mearsheimer were ignored. Pitiful. </p> At the Nixon Center all he ventured was that the Holocaust was central to the mindset of the (Jewish) neocons and this was "problematic." There seemed to be a consensus by the participants that Iraq was a Bush decision–none voiced rejection to that notion, which was supported by those who did speak. Nothing much was ventured by the participants as to why Bush so decided except that Bush was mad at the Iraqi leader for trying to kill his dad. The Chaney-JINSA-PNAC thread was ignored. Walt & Mearsheimer were ignored. Pitiful.

]]>