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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description>Steve, 
As a black guy, I know that a cartoon or anything else which focuses specifically on your race, is racist in intent, otherwise what message is intended that the masses could interpret? You know this too, but as is typical with Israel supporters, show a stunning ability to ignore the obvious.

As for the pesky Jews, that tired bandwagon? People opposed to Israeli actions, are actually opposed to the not so subtle things, like illegal occupation, illegal settlement, massive human rights abuses, assassinations, land theft, water theft, bulldozing houses, all directly or indirectly paid for by the US taxpayer. It&#039;s not anti-semitic, its anti a total lack of common decency and humanity. Its anti nazism and the stifling of all debate. 

And yes, in case you didn&#039;t get it, people who aren&#039;t blind, yet observe that black people are black, tend to have a racist agenda. Pretty much like people who scream that Israel is right, entitled to the billions that the half-black man now controls, and are afraid that they might reap what they sow daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
As a black guy, I know that a cartoon or anything else which focuses specifically on your race, is racist in intent, otherwise what message is intended that the masses could interpret? You know this too, but as is typical with Israel supporters, show a stunning ability to ignore the obvious.</p>
<p>As for the pesky Jews, that tired bandwagon? People opposed to Israeli actions, are actually opposed to the not so subtle things, like illegal occupation, illegal settlement, massive human rights abuses, assassinations, land theft, water theft, bulldozing houses, all directly or indirectly paid for by the US taxpayer. It&#8217;s not anti-semitic, its anti a total lack of common decency and humanity. Its anti nazism and the stifling of all debate. </p>
<p>And yes, in case you didn&#8217;t get it, people who aren&#8217;t blind, yet observe that black people are black, tend to have a racist agenda. Pretty much like people who scream that Israel is right, entitled to the billions that the half-black man now controls, and are afraid that they might reap what they sow daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/israeli-newspap.html/comment-page-1#comment-64446</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look at this typical lying Arab and her family and the moron reporter that reports the story: http://www.yahoo.com/s/813876&lt;br /&gt;
This say it all about the Palestinians and the press.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at this typical lying Arab and her family and the moron reporter that reports the story: <a href="http://www.yahoo.com/s/813876br">link to yahoo.com</a><br /> /><br />
This say it all about the Palestinians and the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What, no watermelon?  It&#039;s sad because Obama is the best hope Israel has of stopping short of becoming another Belgium.  Hillary called Palestinian eductation &quot;child abuse.&quot;  I&#039;m sure many Israelis would agree, since a strong back is a terrible thing to waste.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, no watermelon?  It&#39;s sad because Obama is the best hope Israel has of stopping short of becoming another Belgium.  Hillary called Palestinian eductation &quot;child abuse.&quot;  I&#39;m sure many Israelis would agree, since a strong back is a terrible thing to waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How quickly the US public perception of Israel is changing from that of a just refuge for a besieged and beleaguered people to that of a nearly fascist state seething with racism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That Zionists were able to maintain the myth of Israel for as long as they did was certainly an incredible feat. But now the bad word on Israel is out, and many Zionists are no longer bothering to wear their masks. I predict they are going to have an increasingly difficult go of it in a globalized, multi-cultural world. Their entire belief system is an anachronism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phil wrote: &quot;Palestinians and Israelis are the Shi&#039;ites and Sunnis of their particular sectarian corner of the Middle East. They hate each other and are diminished by the hatred, and think in racial terms. Not for us; Obama is helping the U.S. get way past that...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I detect a subtext of paleocon/libertarian non-interventionist thinking in that paragraph, which I am happy to see coming from Phil, who in the past I believe regarded himself more or less as a left-liberal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look, people with the tribal mentality have been beating the hell out of each other for millennium, and will continue to do so long after the American empire has gone bankrupt from trying to police the world. True, America is past its racialism (more or less) but could easily be dragged backward by the Zionists unless they are stripped of their power.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What was the Iraq war but a Zionist-engineered program to entangle America into the tribal battle taking place between Jews and Muslims in the Mideast, and foster an us-vs-the Islamofascists tribal mentality among Americans? And it almost worked. The Zionists tried it once, and they will most certainly try it again. In McCain, they may very well have found another willing partner to take the place of Bush.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How quickly the US public perception of Israel is changing from that of a just refuge for a besieged and beleaguered people to that of a nearly fascist state seething with racism.</p>
<p>That Zionists were able to maintain the myth of Israel for as long as they did was certainly an incredible feat. But now the bad word on Israel is out, and many Zionists are no longer bothering to wear their masks. I predict they are going to have an increasingly difficult go of it in a globalized, multi-cultural world. Their entire belief system is an anachronism.</p>
<p>Phil wrote: &quot;Palestinians and Israelis are the Shi&#39;ites and Sunnis of their particular sectarian corner of the Middle East. They hate each other and are diminished by the hatred, and think in racial terms. Not for us; Obama is helping the U.S. get way past that&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>I detect a subtext of paleocon/libertarian non-interventionist thinking in that paragraph, which I am happy to see coming from Phil, who in the past I believe regarded himself more or less as a left-liberal.</p>
<p>Look, people with the tribal mentality have been beating the hell out of each other for millennium, and will continue to do so long after the American empire has gone bankrupt from trying to police the world. True, America is past its racialism (more or less) but could easily be dragged backward by the Zionists unless they are stripped of their power.</p>
<p>What was the Iraq war but a Zionist-engineered program to entangle America into the tribal battle taking place between Jews and Muslims in the Mideast, and foster an us-vs-the Islamofascists tribal mentality among Americans? And it almost worked. The Zionists tried it once, and they will most certainly try it again. In McCain, they may very well have found another willing partner to take the place of Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: sim</title>
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		<dc:creator>sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aren&#039;t you exaggerating the cartoon a touch by comparing it with that absurd monkey one? OK, it&#039;s the White House, he&#039;s Black, so it&#039;s painted black. It&#039;s stupid alright, but you could find the same thing in Mexican or Argentinian papers. But then those aren&#039;t Jewish nations, so what&#039;s the point of criticizing them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#39;t you exaggerating the cartoon a touch by comparing it with that absurd monkey one? OK, it&#39;s the White House, he&#39;s Black, so it&#39;s painted black. It&#39;s stupid alright, but you could find the same thing in Mexican or Argentinian papers. But then those aren&#39;t Jewish nations, so what&#39;s the point of criticizing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The clumsy cartoon is reminiscent of similar themes I&#039;ve seen in Asia -- homogeneous societies whose lack of practice in dealing with racial differences sometimes proves embarrassing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why does this cartoon exist in the first place? Because as the recipient of $3 billion a year in U.S. aid (around 2% of its GDP, if I recall), Israel naturally obsesses over whether the next president will keep the unmerited cornucopia flowing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rather than lecturing Israel over its insensitive political cartoons, far better to nip the issue in the bid by CUTTING OFF THE MONEY. Then watch Israeli commentary on U.S. elections dwindle to the disinterested level found in NORMAL countries.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clumsy cartoon is reminiscent of similar themes I&#39;ve seen in Asia &#8212; homogeneous societies whose lack of practice in dealing with racial differences sometimes proves embarrassing.</p>
<p>Why does this cartoon exist in the first place? Because as the recipient of $3 billion a year in U.S. aid (around 2% of its GDP, if I recall), Israel naturally obsesses over whether the next president will keep the unmerited cornucopia flowing.</p>
<p>Rather than lecturing Israel over its insensitive political cartoons, far better to nip the issue in the bid by CUTTING OFF THE MONEY. Then watch Israeli commentary on U.S. elections dwindle to the disinterested level found in NORMAL countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaid Khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaid Khalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are really off with the following statement: &quot;Palestinians and Israelis are the Shi&#039;ites and Sunnis of their particular sectarian corner of the Middle East. They hate each other and are diminished by the hatred, and think in racial terms.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This may be true of Ashklenazim, but its clearly not true of Ethiopian Jews and even Mizrahim.  With regards to the Palestinians its even more complex, because perceptions of racial features vary practically from city to city.  For instance, the &#039;whiter&#039; Palestinian population in Jerusalem is fairly racist whereas population in the refugee camps in Nablus is not at all.  But in no case is the racism towards people of darker skinned anything like what exists in the US.  I also want to stress that there is a reason i say people of darker skin, rather than black. Its because that dichotomy of black vs white is a very European and more specifically American construct.  Its not uncommon for people in the global South, specifically those in the elite to adopt this colonialist mindset and the prejudices that come along with it.  But to a large degree the population in the global South does not identify with it.  Unlike the population in colonial centers of power where racism towards people of color is a defining feature.  For instance, when fair-skinned Palestinians and Israelis emigrate to the United States they inherit white skin privilege and all the racism that come with it.  In the case of Palestinians they may be subjected to other forms of discrimination, but they are most certainly not experiencing the same type of racism as blacks in America.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I could go on, but in summary, your statement is just incorrect.  It also points to the fact that by and large you have had extremely limited interaction with both Israeli and Palestinian society.  In both cases the media is going to represent the voice of the elite, which in Israel would be the Ashkenazim and among Palestinians it would be the Ramallah/Jerusalem elite.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>You are really off with the following statement: &quot;Palestinians and Israelis are the Shi&#39;ites and Sunnis of their particular sectarian corner of the Middle East. They hate each other and are diminished by the hatred, and think in racial terms.&quot;</p>
<p>This may be true of Ashklenazim, but its clearly not true of Ethiopian Jews and even Mizrahim.  With regards to the Palestinians its even more complex, because perceptions of racial features vary practically from city to city.  For instance, the &#39;whiter&#39; Palestinian population in Jerusalem is fairly racist whereas population in the refugee camps in Nablus is not at all.  But in no case is the racism towards people of darker skinned anything like what exists in the US.  I also want to stress that there is a reason i say people of darker skin, rather than black. Its because that dichotomy of black vs white is a very European and more specifically American construct.  Its not uncommon for people in the global South, specifically those in the elite to adopt this colonialist mindset and the prejudices that come along with it.  But to a large degree the population in the global South does not identify with it.  Unlike the population in colonial centers of power where racism towards people of color is a defining feature.  For instance, when fair-skinned Palestinians and Israelis emigrate to the United States they inherit white skin privilege and all the racism that come with it.  In the case of Palestinians they may be subjected to other forms of discrimination, but they are most certainly not experiencing the same type of racism as blacks in America.  </p>
<p>I could go on, but in summary, your statement is just incorrect.  It also points to the fact that by and large you have had extremely limited interaction with both Israeli and Palestinian society.  In both cases the media is going to represent the voice of the elite, which in Israel would be the Ashkenazim and among Palestinians it would be the Ramallah/Jerusalem elite.  </p>
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		<title>By: Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can you explain the joke? I understand the black guy + black paint connection, but it just looks like a dumb pun. If the Brits ever elect another cheery, grinning loon, I would expect some pun about Downing Street and Uppers; I think this is on the same level. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain the joke? I understand the black guy + black paint connection, but it just looks like a dumb pun. If the Brits ever elect another cheery, grinning loon, I would expect some pun about Downing Street and Uppers; I think this is on the same level. </p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zaid Khalil wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Its not uncommon for people in the global South, specifically those in the elite to adopt this colonialist mindset and the prejudices that come along with it. But to a large degree the population in the global South does not identify with it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nonsense. This is left-wing propaganda designed to lay all of the world&#039;s problems at the feet of whites, which is racist in and of itself. Racism exists tenaciously all over the globe, and only the West has developed advanced civil rights guarantees to effectively deal with it. Colonialism was and is nothing more than tribal conquering and pillaging from Alexander the Great through the British Empire. Was Alexander a racist or a conqueror? Sure he thought his people were superior, because in relatively small numbers they were able to defeat much larger armies, as were the British, Spanish and other European empires. In today&#039;s left-wing vernacular, the ability to conquer people of a different skin pigmentation is akin to racism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today, the only way one can lay racism as a motive on the West is by associating it with Israel, which has institutionally racist Jim Crow and apartheid laws. Was venerating Judeo-racism and the Zionist model a motive for those who arranged the invasion of Iraq? No question, which is why they are now rightfully being put through the ringer by non-racist whites in the West.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;America should not be sending money and military support to Israel or any other country with a poor human rights record until they write constitutions that guarantees civil rights and freedom of speech for all their citizens.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Americans need to take responsibility for keeping the US government Leviathan and its fascist hangers-on away from abusing and exploiting the developing world, but non-Western peoples need to take responsibility for bringing their own civil rights and human rights standards up to Western levels and stop using white people and “colonialism” as an all-purpose scapegoat for their own tribalism and civil rights sloth. Until they do, opportunists will use their primitive human rights standards as an excuse for invasion and occupation.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaid Khalil wrote:</p>
<p>&quot;Its not uncommon for people in the global South, specifically those in the elite to adopt this colonialist mindset and the prejudices that come along with it. But to a large degree the population in the global South does not identify with it.&quot;</p>
<p>Nonsense. This is left-wing propaganda designed to lay all of the world&#39;s problems at the feet of whites, which is racist in and of itself. Racism exists tenaciously all over the globe, and only the West has developed advanced civil rights guarantees to effectively deal with it. Colonialism was and is nothing more than tribal conquering and pillaging from Alexander the Great through the British Empire. Was Alexander a racist or a conqueror? Sure he thought his people were superior, because in relatively small numbers they were able to defeat much larger armies, as were the British, Spanish and other European empires. In today&#39;s left-wing vernacular, the ability to conquer people of a different skin pigmentation is akin to racism.</p>
<p>Today, the only way one can lay racism as a motive on the West is by associating it with Israel, which has institutionally racist Jim Crow and apartheid laws. Was venerating Judeo-racism and the Zionist model a motive for those who arranged the invasion of Iraq? No question, which is why they are now rightfully being put through the ringer by non-racist whites in the West.</p>
<p>America should not be sending money and military support to Israel or any other country with a poor human rights record until they write constitutions that guarantees civil rights and freedom of speech for all their citizens.</p>
<p>Americans need to take responsibility for keeping the US government Leviathan and its fascist hangers-on away from abusing and exploiting the developing world, but non-Western peoples need to take responsibility for bringing their own civil rights and human rights standards up to Western levels and stop using white people and “colonialism” as an all-purpose scapegoat for their own tribalism and civil rights sloth. Until they do, opportunists will use their primitive human rights standards as an excuse for invasion and occupation.</p>
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		<title>By: Defenestrator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defenestrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You think it has to do with Israel being Jewish?  You don&#039;t think it has anything to do with Israel holding itself out as a democracy and promoting freedom?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Would the ADL and AIPAC let a cartoon of a big-nosed, yamulke-wearing, star-of-david-on-the-lapel-suited skinny man with a boot on the head of Uncle Sam, with a caption saying &quot;No, we have no power in the United States&quot; not be considered anti-Semitic?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This cartoon is obviously racist and of all the people on the planet, Israelis who claim the Holocaust as reason for everything, should know better.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think it has to do with Israel being Jewish?  You don&#39;t think it has anything to do with Israel holding itself out as a democracy and promoting freedom?  </p>
<p>Would the ADL and AIPAC let a cartoon of a big-nosed, yamulke-wearing, star-of-david-on-the-lapel-suited skinny man with a boot on the head of Uncle Sam, with a caption saying &quot;No, we have no power in the United States&quot; not be considered anti-Semitic?</p>
<p>This cartoon is obviously racist and of all the people on the planet, Israelis who claim the Holocaust as reason for everything, should know better.</p>
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