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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;At Most Big Papers, the Israel Issue Is the Most Controversial Subject&#8217;&#8211;But Nowhere in the Presidential Debates</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;The blackout continues. Indeed, the only reference I&#039;ve seen in presidential politics to what I consider the most important issue the country faces &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To you Israel is more important than Iraq, or the economy or the environment?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think Israel is that critical an issue for the US, or for the world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its important to me, but I don&#039;t think the world turns on what happens to Israel, and much less so to Palestine.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The sign &quot;No more war for Israel&quot; is false or exagerated to my understanding. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;It&#039;s very unusual for Jews and Israelis to think about what&#039;s gone on that part of the world from a Palestinian point of view. [Emphasis mine] I think it&#039;s hard for the Palestinians to understand what they look at as &quot;The Nakba,&quot; and to see the Jewish experience. &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;!!!!! (that&#039;s my emoticon for hear hear.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Understanding is what is needed, both ways.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Including from ANYONE that has any tendency to dehumanize the other in any way.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The blackout continues. Indeed, the only reference I&#39;ve seen in presidential politics to what I consider the most important issue the country faces &quot;</p>
<p>To you Israel is more important than Iraq, or the economy or the environment?</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think Israel is that critical an issue for the US, or for the world.</p>
<p>Its important to me, but I don&#39;t think the world turns on what happens to Israel, and much less so to Palestine.</p>
<p>The sign &quot;No more war for Israel&quot; is false or exagerated to my understanding. </p>
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&quot;It&#39;s very unusual for Jews and Israelis to think about what&#39;s gone on that part of the world from a Palestinian point of view. [Emphasis mine] I think it&#39;s hard for the Palestinians to understand what they look at as &quot;The Nakba,&quot; and to see the Jewish experience. &quot;</p>
<p>!!!!! (that&#39;s my emoticon for hear hear.)</p>
<p>Understanding is what is needed, both ways.</p>
<p>Including from ANYONE that has any tendency to dehumanize the other in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: World According to Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>World According to Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two mentally disabled Jewish women were strapped with explosives Friday and sent into busy Christian markets, where they were blown up by remote control, a top government official said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bombs killed at least 98 people and wounded more than 200 at two popular pet markets on the holiest day of the week for Christians, authorities said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In both bombings, the attackers were mentally disabled women whose explosive belts were remotely detonated, Gen. Frank Jones, spokesman for the Government’s security plan, told state television.&lt;br /&gt;
Jones said the women were strapped with dynamite and ball bearings, citing members of the bomb squad. The explosives were detonated via cell phone, he said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A Jones aide said that people referred to the bomber at central Christian  market as the &quot;crazy woman&quot; and that the bomber at a second market had an unspecified birth disability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The aide said authorities believe the women were unaware of plans to detonate the explosives.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The identities of the women have not been released.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;U.S. military officials referred to the two attacks as suicide bombings, saying both women detonated the explosive devices.&lt;br /&gt;
The U.S. officials also gave a much lower casualty toll, with 27 civilians dead and 53 others wounded.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Pentagon attributed the attacks to Neocons and made no reference to the mental conditions of the women.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;By targeting innocent Christians, they show their true demonic character,&quot; said Lt. Col. Steve Mitchell, spokesman for the Multi-National Division.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;They care nothing for the Chrsitian people; they want to subjugate them and forcefully create a greater Jewish state,&quot; he said, referring to Talmudic law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The violence marked the bloodiest series of attacks since August, breaking a brief stretch of relative calm as attacks and deaths dropped after 2007.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the attacks show the reality of the continuing struggle against neocons, adding that gentiles have turned against &quot;these terrible, violent people in their midst who will do anything.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;It certainly underscores and affirms the decision of the gentile people that there is no political program here that is acceptable to a civilized society, and that this is the most brutal and the most bankrupt of movements that would do this kind of thing,&quot; she said at a press briefing. &quot;And I think that will underscore for the gentiles, and it will make them tougher in the fight.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first bomb blew up at the  market around 10:30 a.m., killing 69 and wounding more than 140. The second blast happened about a half-hour later in a different neighborhood pet market, killing 29 people and wounding 67.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two mentally disabled Jewish women were strapped with explosives Friday and sent into busy Christian markets, where they were blown up by remote control, a top government official said.</p>
<p>The bombs killed at least 98 people and wounded more than 200 at two popular pet markets on the holiest day of the week for Christians, authorities said.</p>
<p>In both bombings, the attackers were mentally disabled women whose explosive belts were remotely detonated, Gen. Frank Jones, spokesman for the Government’s security plan, told state television.<br />
Jones said the women were strapped with dynamite and ball bearings, citing members of the bomb squad. The explosives were detonated via cell phone, he said.</p>
<p>A Jones aide said that people referred to the bomber at central Christian  market as the &quot;crazy woman&quot; and that the bomber at a second market had an unspecified birth disability.</p>
<p>The aide said authorities believe the women were unaware of plans to detonate the explosives.</p>
<p>The identities of the women have not been released.</p>
<p>U.S. military officials referred to the two attacks as suicide bombings, saying both women detonated the explosive devices.<br />
The U.S. officials also gave a much lower casualty toll, with 27 civilians dead and 53 others wounded.</p>
<p>The Pentagon attributed the attacks to Neocons and made no reference to the mental conditions of the women.</p>
<p>&quot;By targeting innocent Christians, they show their true demonic character,&quot; said Lt. Col. Steve Mitchell, spokesman for the Multi-National Division.</p>
<p>&quot;They care nothing for the Chrsitian people; they want to subjugate them and forcefully create a greater Jewish state,&quot; he said, referring to Talmudic law.</p>
<p>The violence marked the bloodiest series of attacks since August, breaking a brief stretch of relative calm as attacks and deaths dropped after 2007.</p>
<p>In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the attacks show the reality of the continuing struggle against neocons, adding that gentiles have turned against &quot;these terrible, violent people in their midst who will do anything.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;It certainly underscores and affirms the decision of the gentile people that there is no political program here that is acceptable to a civilized society, and that this is the most brutal and the most bankrupt of movements that would do this kind of thing,&quot; she said at a press briefing. &quot;And I think that will underscore for the gentiles, and it will make them tougher in the fight.&quot;</p>
<p>The first bomb blew up at the  market around 10:30 a.m., killing 69 and wounding more than 140. The second blast happened about a half-hour later in a different neighborhood pet market, killing 29 people and wounding 67.</p>
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		<title>By: David the First</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65284</link>
		<dc:creator>David the First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s nice. There&#039;s probably no better way to deal with a neurotic, dishonest potato head like Weissy than to restate his arguments back to him. Black people are a small minority, yet they are responsible for most anti-social behavior. This is rarely stated as such. When I ask Black people about this they behave defensively and dishonestly. I wonder if Phil thinks we need to speak more about how bad Blacks have been for America? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s nice. There&#39;s probably no better way to deal with a neurotic, dishonest potato head like Weissy than to restate his arguments back to him. Black people are a small minority, yet they are responsible for most anti-social behavior. This is rarely stated as such. When I ask Black people about this they behave defensively and dishonestly. I wonder if Phil thinks we need to speak more about how bad Blacks have been for America? </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65285</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;imposter alert&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imposter alert</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65286</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jewish Journal: &quot;If Hitler came to you and wanted to publish something ...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-----------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hitler would have probably written that as a young man in Vienna he approved of the Zionist concept of a &#039;pure Jewish state&#039; in Palestine. That as chancellor after 1933 he modeled Germany accordingly by outlawing intermarriage and that he facilitated the illegal immigration of German and Austrian Jews to Palestine to embarrass the British.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would be interesting to know what exactly made him change his mind and kill all Jews, Zionist or not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- But why is the Jewish Journal asking this question other than to link Israel critics in some way to Hitler? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jewish Journal: &quot;If Hitler came to you and wanted to publish something &#8230;&quot;<br />
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<p>Hitler would have probably written that as a young man in Vienna he approved of the Zionist concept of a &#39;pure Jewish state&#39; in Palestine. That as chancellor after 1933 he modeled Germany accordingly by outlawing intermarriage and that he facilitated the illegal immigration of German and Austrian Jews to Palestine to embarrass the British.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know what exactly made him change his mind and kill all Jews, Zionist or not.</p>
<p>- But why is the Jewish Journal asking this question other than to link Israel critics in some way to Hitler? </p>
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		<title>By: americangoy</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65287</link>
		<dc:creator>americangoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wrote this &lt;br /&gt;
http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-i-leave-more-they-pull-me-back-in.html&lt;br /&gt;
when I was really ticked off last night for personal reasons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re-reading it, it is surprisingly coherent...&lt;br /&gt;
The whole Israeli-Palestinian issue is the 300 pound gorilla in the room, and no mainstream blogs will touch it with a 10 foot pole.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If independent progressive blogs are afraid to discuss the issue, what makes us think that the so called &quot;progressive&quot; presidential candidates will discuss it, other than (again) falling over themselves on how much they will help Israel once elected.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the record, I think that the Israeli lobby influence in American domestic politics is the most important issue right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Like I wrote before, American system of government seems highly vulnerable to such influence - just research Cuba embargo and the role Cuban exiles in Florida have played and still play in national politics.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote this <br />
<a href="http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-i-leave-more-they-pull-me-back-in.htmlbr">link to americangoy.blogspot.com</a><br /> /><br />
when I was really ticked off last night for personal reasons.</p>
<p>Re-reading it, it is surprisingly coherent&#8230;<br />
The whole Israeli-Palestinian issue is the 300 pound gorilla in the room, and no mainstream blogs will touch it with a 10 foot pole.  </p>
<p>If independent progressive blogs are afraid to discuss the issue, what makes us think that the so called &quot;progressive&quot; presidential candidates will discuss it, other than (again) falling over themselves on how much they will help Israel once elected.</p>
<p>For the record, I think that the Israeli lobby influence in American domestic politics is the most important issue right now.</p>
<p>Like I wrote before, American system of government seems highly vulnerable to such influence &#8211; just research Cuba embargo and the role Cuban exiles in Florida have played and still play in national politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Israel/Palestine issue HAS to be discussed in Israel, because it&#039;s a local issue that looms large in Israeli politics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But in relation to the objective of obtaining &quot;$3 billion a year forever&quot; of U.S. funding, it is much preferable to have the U.S. press steer away from controversy, and simply repeat soothing platitudes about Israel&#039;s democracy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Loose lips sink ships&quot; when it comes to keeping the gusher of gratuitous greenbacks flowing to Israel. Pass the word, brother!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israel/Palestine issue HAS to be discussed in Israel, because it&#39;s a local issue that looms large in Israeli politics.</p>
<p>But in relation to the objective of obtaining &quot;$3 billion a year forever&quot; of U.S. funding, it is much preferable to have the U.S. press steer away from controversy, and simply repeat soothing platitudes about Israel&#39;s democracy.</p>
<p>&quot;Loose lips sink ships&quot; when it comes to keeping the gusher of gratuitous greenbacks flowing to Israel. Pass the word, brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That would be something if Goldberg and the Times interviewed a dead man. A more appropriate question might be &quot;Why haven&#039;t you published anything on Benazir Bhutto&#039;s statement in an interview with David Frost that Bin Laden had been killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be something if Goldberg and the Times interviewed a dead man. A more appropriate question might be &quot;Why haven&#39;t you published anything on Benazir Bhutto&#39;s statement in an interview with David Frost that Bin Laden had been killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh?&quot;</p>
<p>http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/15-01-2008/103426-benazir_bhutto_osama-0</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65290</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn, where&#039;s my wallet? They did it again! Who can I complain to that has any power?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, where&#39;s my wallet? They did it again! Who can I complain to that has any power?</p>
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		<title>By: stevieb</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/nick-goldberg-e.html/comment-page-1#comment-65291</link>
		<dc:creator>stevieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t think Israel is that critical an issue for the US, or for the world.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Naturally, Witty.  Nothing to see here, right?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Klaus - I wondered that myself, and found that organized zionists declared &#039;war&#039; on Germany in 1933(I think) - an economic boycott of some sort that apparently had a rather negative effect on German society as one can imagine.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Funny the first time I&#039;ve read anybody bring  it up was the raging zionist &quot;sword of gideon&quot; on this very site.  So this particular historical revelation is obviously associated with the far-right, David Duke crowd by some of us.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I&#039;m not making any excuses for anything - though I&#039;m sure that&#039;s how it will be called by some.  But when I read this I was quite surprised(though I probably shouldn&#039;t have been)that I&#039;d never heard this before.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though it could be complete rubbish - maybe somebody is better informed on the topic than I...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I don&#39;t think Israel is that critical an issue for the US, or for the world.&quot;</p>
<p>Naturally, Witty.  Nothing to see here, right?</p>
<p>Klaus &#8211; I wondered that myself, and found that organized zionists declared &#39;war&#39; on Germany in 1933(I think) &#8211; an economic boycott of some sort that apparently had a rather negative effect on German society as one can imagine.</p>
<p>Funny the first time I&#39;ve read anybody bring  it up was the raging zionist &quot;sword of gideon&quot; on this very site.  So this particular historical revelation is obviously associated with the far-right, David Duke crowd by some of us.</p>
<p>Now I&#39;m not making any excuses for anything &#8211; though I&#39;m sure that&#39;s how it will be called by some.  But when I read this I was quite surprised(though I probably shouldn&#39;t have been)that I&#39;d never heard this before.</p>
<p>Though it could be complete rubbish &#8211; maybe somebody is better informed on the topic than I&#8230;</p>
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