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		<title>By: the sword of gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the sword of gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;n Gaza TV, Hamas&#039; bunny brainwashes kids, declaring &#039;I will eat the Jews!&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
BY MATTHEW KALMAN	&lt;br /&gt;
SPECIAL TO THE NEWS&lt;br /&gt;
Tuesday, February 12th 2008, 4:00 AM&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bugs Bunny look-alike Assud is the latest Hamas cartoon killer.&lt;br /&gt;
JERUSALEM - Hamas has reached a new low in its cartoon brainwashing of kids to kill Israelis: a Bugs Bunny look-alike who declares, &quot;I will eat the Jews!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Assud the rabbit is the newest star of &quot;Tomorrow&#039;s Pioneers,&quot; a Hamas-authorized kids show that airs on Gaza TV and is beamed around the Arab world.&lt;br /&gt;
The 6-foot bomber bunny appeared on camera in recent days with a head-scarf-wearing little girl named Saraa.&lt;br /&gt;
She sits listening entranced to the rabbit&#039;s rants.&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;I, Assud, will finish off the Jews and eat them,&quot; he hisses.&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Allah willing!&quot; Saraa says.&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s the latest use of cuddly figures by Hamas terrorists &quot;to teach hate and violence,&quot; said Itamar Marcus, director of Palestinian Media Watch.&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;This program is telling us that they see children as tools in their propaganda and their war,&quot; Marcus said. &quot;They have no problem stealing their children&#039;s youth.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Before Assud, Hamas&#039; use of a Mickey Mouse character called Farfur to preach hate gained worldwide condemnation.&lt;br /&gt;
The producers of the show later told kids that Farfur had been beaten to death by Israeli soldiers.&lt;br /&gt;
A short-lived bee character called Nahul was also killed off recently - his death blamed on Israelis preventing him from reaching a hospital to get urgent medical treatment.&lt;br /&gt;
The same electricity that Israel supplies to Gaza is used by the terrorist TV broadcasters to beam the hatred, Marcus noted.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n Gaza TV, Hamas&#39; bunny brainwashes kids, declaring &#39;I will eat the Jews!&#39;<br />
BY MATTHEW KALMAN	<br />
SPECIAL TO THE NEWS<br />
Tuesday, February 12th 2008, 4:00 AM</p>
<p>Bugs Bunny look-alike Assud is the latest Hamas cartoon killer.<br />
JERUSALEM &#8211; Hamas has reached a new low in its cartoon brainwashing of kids to kill Israelis: a Bugs Bunny look-alike who declares, &quot;I will eat the Jews!&quot;<br />
Assud the rabbit is the newest star of &quot;Tomorrow&#39;s Pioneers,&quot; a Hamas-authorized kids show that airs on Gaza TV and is beamed around the Arab world.<br />
The 6-foot bomber bunny appeared on camera in recent days with a head-scarf-wearing little girl named Saraa.<br />
She sits listening entranced to the rabbit&#39;s rants.<br />
&quot;I, Assud, will finish off the Jews and eat them,&quot; he hisses.<br />
&quot;Allah willing!&quot; Saraa says.<br />
It&#39;s the latest use of cuddly figures by Hamas terrorists &quot;to teach hate and violence,&quot; said Itamar Marcus, director of Palestinian Media Watch.<br />
&quot;This program is telling us that they see children as tools in their propaganda and their war,&quot; Marcus said. &quot;They have no problem stealing their children&#39;s youth.&quot;<br />
Before Assud, Hamas&#39; use of a Mickey Mouse character called Farfur to preach hate gained worldwide condemnation.<br />
The producers of the show later told kids that Farfur had been beaten to death by Israeli soldiers.<br />
A short-lived bee character called Nahul was also killed off recently &#8211; his death blamed on Israelis preventing him from reaching a hospital to get urgent medical treatment.<br />
The same electricity that Israel supplies to Gaza is used by the terrorist TV broadcasters to beam the hatred, Marcus noted.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you are reading too much into the Obama campaign.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also thing that what you are saying is somewhat dangerous even if it isn&#039;t true.  There are a lot of major opinion leaders who would mobilize against Obama if they start to believe is he anti-Israel.  Right now, Obama&#039;s lead is actually being helped by a number of pro-Israel Jews such as Peretz et al.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you are wrong on this analysis, but it is a dangerous conclusion you are drawing and one that can spur various pro-Israel opinion leaders to coordinated action.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are reading too much into the Obama campaign.</p>
<p>I also thing that what you are saying is somewhat dangerous even if it isn&#39;t true.  There are a lot of major opinion leaders who would mobilize against Obama if they start to believe is he anti-Israel.  Right now, Obama&#39;s lead is actually being helped by a number of pro-Israel Jews such as Peretz et al.</p>
<p>I think you are wrong on this analysis, but it is a dangerous conclusion you are drawing and one that can spur various pro-Israel opinion leaders to coordinated action.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/obamas-we-need.html/comment-page-1#comment-64850</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I understand Hoenlein&#039;s anxiety, but what has that old establishment gotten us? They all signed off on this disastrous war, many of them because they were enraged by Palestinian suicide bombers. Not our war.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;American Jews whether establishment or not must come to acknowledge that people living in a stolen country, generally on stolen property, and often in stolen homes simply have no justification to expect peace and security.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Palestinians are completely in the right while Zionists, who are manipulating us to support their criminality are completely and categorically in the wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The criminality does not stop in the ME. It has come home to America because Israel lobbying and advocacy has consistently engaged in a pattern or criminality and civil infractions that undermines the constitution and that ultimately threatens to undermine our government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I call the combined Israel lobbying and advocacy efforts &quot;Judonia.&quot; (I have coined the term on the model of Polonia because Israel lobbying and advocacy piggybacks, parasitizes, or exploits the Jewish Diaspora and especially Jewish organizations to the benefit of a small hyperwealthy group of Zionist puppeteers.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Judonia is not just the enemy of Palestinians. It is the enemy of America, the world, and the vast majority of Jews as I point out in http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/C__Judonia1.pdf .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Among religious, leftist, and right wing ethnic Ashkenazim there has long been a current of thought that Jews are safest in alliance (or better in dominating) an undemocratic government.[5] Thanks to the Patriot act and other actions of the Bush administration, the undemocratic Zionist future is coming into being right before our eyes, and McCain looks like the most likely of current present candidates to bring about the fulfillment of the ultimate globalized Zionist dystopia, but Zionists throughout the political system are poised to influence any other possible victor except Ron Paul, whom Zionist facilitators and gate-keepers in the US media are trying to starve of media attention.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Abolishing Israel and eradicating Zionism would not eliminate the exploitive tendencies of globalization but would destroy the focal point of the forces that are aiming for the worst of all globalized futures.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I understand Hoenlein&#39;s anxiety, but what has that old establishment gotten us? They all signed off on this disastrous war, many of them because they were enraged by Palestinian suicide bombers. Not our war.&quot;</p>
<p>American Jews whether establishment or not must come to acknowledge that people living in a stolen country, generally on stolen property, and often in stolen homes simply have no justification to expect peace and security.</p>
<p>Palestinians are completely in the right while Zionists, who are manipulating us to support their criminality are completely and categorically in the wrong.</p>
<p>The criminality does not stop in the ME. It has come home to America because Israel lobbying and advocacy has consistently engaged in a pattern or criminality and civil infractions that undermines the constitution and that ultimately threatens to undermine our government.</p>
<p>I call the combined Israel lobbying and advocacy efforts &quot;Judonia.&quot; (I have coined the term on the model of Polonia because Israel lobbying and advocacy piggybacks, parasitizes, or exploits the Jewish Diaspora and especially Jewish organizations to the benefit of a small hyperwealthy group of Zionist puppeteers.)</p>
<p>Judonia is not just the enemy of Palestinians. It is the enemy of America, the world, and the vast majority of Jews as I point out in <a href="http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/C__Judonia1.pdf">link to members.aol.com</a><br /> .</p>
<p>&quot;Among religious, leftist, and right wing ethnic Ashkenazim there has long been a current of thought that Jews are safest in alliance (or better in dominating) an undemocratic government.[5] Thanks to the Patriot act and other actions of the Bush administration, the undemocratic Zionist future is coming into being right before our eyes, and McCain looks like the most likely of current present candidates to bring about the fulfillment of the ultimate globalized Zionist dystopia, but Zionists throughout the political system are poised to influence any other possible victor except Ron Paul, whom Zionist facilitators and gate-keepers in the US media are trying to starve of media attention.</p>
<p>&quot;Abolishing Israel and eradicating Zionism would not eliminate the exploitive tendencies of globalization but would destroy the focal point of the forces that are aiming for the worst of all globalized futures.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: youngunalienatedjew</title>
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		<dc:creator>youngunalienatedjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Riding the wave of success that Ron Paul had, eh? Obama will never, ever, dare speak a word against Israel. You, Phil, are out of your fucking mind.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: youngunalienatedjew</title>
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		<dc:creator>youngunalienatedjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Riding the wave of success that Ron Paul had, eh? Obama will never, ever, dare speak a word against Israel. You, Phil, are out of your fucking mind.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: youngunalienatedjew</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/obamas-we-need.html/comment-page-1#comment-64853</link>
		<dc:creator>youngunalienatedjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Riding the wave of success that Ron Paul had, eh? Obama will never, ever, dare speak a word against Israel. You, Phil, are out of your fucking mind.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: youngunalienatedjew</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/obamas-we-need.html/comment-page-1#comment-64854</link>
		<dc:creator>youngunalienatedjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Riding the wave of success that Ron Paul had, eh? Obama will never, ever, dare speak a word against Israel. You, Phil, are out of your fucking mind.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/obamas-we-need.html/comment-page-1#comment-64855</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What nearly all suicide terrorist attacks actually have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland. Religion is often used as a tool by terrorist organizations in recruiting and in seeking aid from abroad, but is rarely the root cause.&quot; This, from Ron Paul&#039;s latest foreign policy pick. Such common sense cannot be allowed. No wonder Ron Paul is not even listed in Rosner&#039;s Israel Factor regarding which candidate is best for Israel. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;What nearly all suicide terrorist attacks actually have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland. Religion is often used as a tool by terrorist organizations in recruiting and in seeking aid from abroad, but is rarely the root cause.&quot; This, from Ron Paul&#39;s latest foreign policy pick. Such common sense cannot be allowed. No wonder Ron Paul is not even listed in Rosner&#39;s Israel Factor regarding which candidate is best for Israel. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;he understands that the demonization of radical Islam is fostered by Israel&#039;s experience with the Palestinians;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Radical Islam is genuinely fascist, and deserves condemnation on its own merits, and receives it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It has little or nothing to do with Israel. You inflate the importance of Israel in that math.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;The recent NIE giving Iran a pass on nuclear weapons arose from institutional resistance to the Israel lobby inside the intelligence agencies (as Marty Peretz shrewdly asserts). &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The American intelligence and state department had (and probably has) a background of anti-semitism, and both loves and hates the implied reliance on Israeli intelligence. Both CIA and Israeli intelligence has made mistakes in the past. The Israelis are confident that Iran is NOT renouncing its nuclear arms program, but is in a phase of it that doesn&#039;t require disclosure of military OR peaceful.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its NOT that Iran has been cleared of a weapons program. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A rethinking of the current administration&#039;s assumptions on all issues, is needed. We are still in the process of train wreck.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The statements by Obama to date reflect my understanding of reality and appropriate approach.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is that Israel is intimate, family, friend, permanently. And, that the form of that friendship is and should be examined with the eye to improvement of the relationship.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a good friend provides reality checks, that is an appropriate role of the US. Disengagement from the friend is NOT an appropriate response.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Policies are worthy of criticism. The reactionary suggestion of simply renouncing the relationship or worse making it actually adversarial, will be rejected, rightfully.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Just for reference Phil. I appreciate that you went to Hebron, on a tour (I was surprised by that). I thought you went independantly. Its dangerous, I know.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;he understands that the demonization of radical Islam is fostered by Israel&#39;s experience with the Palestinians;&quot;</p>
<p>Radical Islam is genuinely fascist, and deserves condemnation on its own merits, and receives it.</p>
<p>It has little or nothing to do with Israel. You inflate the importance of Israel in that math.</p>
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&quot;The recent NIE giving Iran a pass on nuclear weapons arose from institutional resistance to the Israel lobby inside the intelligence agencies (as Marty Peretz shrewdly asserts). &quot;</p>
<p>The American intelligence and state department had (and probably has) a background of anti-semitism, and both loves and hates the implied reliance on Israeli intelligence. Both CIA and Israeli intelligence has made mistakes in the past. The Israelis are confident that Iran is NOT renouncing its nuclear arms program, but is in a phase of it that doesn&#39;t require disclosure of military OR peaceful.</p>
<p>Its NOT that Iran has been cleared of a weapons program. </p>
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A rethinking of the current administration&#39;s assumptions on all issues, is needed. We are still in the process of train wreck.</p>
<p>The statements by Obama to date reflect my understanding of reality and appropriate approach.</p>
<p>That is that Israel is intimate, family, friend, permanently. And, that the form of that friendship is and should be examined with the eye to improvement of the relationship.</p>
<p>As a good friend provides reality checks, that is an appropriate role of the US. Disengagement from the friend is NOT an appropriate response.</p>
<p>Policies are worthy of criticism. The reactionary suggestion of simply renouncing the relationship or worse making it actually adversarial, will be rejected, rightfully.</p>
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Just for reference Phil. I appreciate that you went to Hebron, on a tour (I was surprised by that). I thought you went independantly. Its dangerous, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Harris, president of the American Jewish Commitee, to Roger Cohen of the NYT/IHT (2/11/2008):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;You could sum the concerns up as &#039;does Obama feel Israel in his kishkas?&#039;&quot; (the Yiddish word for guts). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;His real concern seems to be that Obama - and a younger generation of American Jews - feel America in their kishkas.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Harris, president of the American Jewish Commitee, to Roger Cohen of the NYT/IHT (2/11/2008):</p>
<p>&quot;You could sum the concerns up as &#39;does Obama feel Israel in his kishkas?&#39;&quot; (the Yiddish word for guts). </p>
<p>His real concern seems to be that Obama &#8211; and a younger generation of American Jews &#8211; feel America in their kishkas.</p>
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