Comments on: The Most Important Obama Question (What Does His Movement Want?) http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:25:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63943 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63943 <p>"Obama [is] just a guy we can believe in, for various reasons."</p> <p>I don't know, Phil. Re-read Obama's remarks, quoted in Alec MacGillis's WaPo blog that you were so enamored with:</p> <p>"There is a hard core of jihadist fundamentalists who we can't negotiate with. We have to hunt them down and knock them out. Incapacitate them. That's the military aspects of dealing with this phenomenon. Now, somebody like a Richard Clarke would estimate that the hard-core jihadists would gladly blow up this room -- maybe it's 30,000 people, maybe it's 40,000 people, maybe it's 50,000 people. But it is a finite number. And that is where military action and intelligence has to be directed."</p> <p>http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/26/obamas_ohio_grilling.html<br /> http://tinyurl.com/yu73cz</p> <p>Obama is openly endorsing the Israeli policy of executing people (and innocent bystanders) from helicopter gunships, in extrajudicial, state-murder, Mafia-rubout style. Olmert proposes, the IDF disposes. No trial, no appeal.</p> <p>This does not correspond to any reasonable definition of "progressive." It is, in fact, fascist. I wouldn't touch this ideological sewage with a ten-foot pole.</p> <p>Nevertheless, have a lovely trip. Please look, and think, before leaping over any waterfalls.</p> "Obama [is] just a guy we can believe in, for various reasons."

I don't know, Phil. Re-read Obama's remarks, quoted in Alec MacGillis's WaPo blog that you were so enamored with:

"There is a hard core of jihadist fundamentalists who we can't negotiate with. We have to hunt them down and knock them out. Incapacitate them. That's the military aspects of dealing with this phenomenon. Now, somebody like a Richard Clarke would estimate that the hard-core jihadists would gladly blow up this room — maybe it's 30,000 people, maybe it's 40,000 people, maybe it's 50,000 people. But it is a finite number. And that is where military action and intelligence has to be directed."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/26/obamas_ohio_grilling.html
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63944 <p>"This is the first real progressive political movement of my lifetime"</p> <p>What the F___ Phil. You must have missed the debate last night. Timid Temple Mouse Barack Obama Turns Into Negro During Last Nights Democratic Debate...http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/</p> "This is the first real progressive political movement of my lifetime"

What the F___ Phil. You must have missed the debate last night. Timid Temple Mouse Barack Obama Turns Into Negro During Last Nights Democratic Debate…http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63945 <p>Philip wrote: "the Walt/Mearsheimer ad on his [Obama's] website"</p> <p>Actually for the record, it was an Obama ad on the Amazon page for the Walt/Mearsheimer book.</p> Philip wrote: "the Walt/Mearsheimer ad on his [Obama's] website"

Actually for the record, it was an Obama ad on the Amazon page for the Walt/Mearsheimer book.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63946 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63946 <p>James Petras expands upon the downside for the U.S. of supporting state-sanctioned liquidations:</p> <p>"The Israeli practice of staging international assassinations of opposition leaders in major cities will not only invite retaliation against Israelis and Jews but also endanger sites in the US and EU, for tolerating these acts of state-sponsored terror. In other words, Israeli terror invites terrorist counter attacks like September 11, 2001. Israel, by provoking a new round in the Palestinian ‘war through global terror’ and the US and EU by embracing an Israeli car bomb assassination in Damascus endanger Western lives everywhere. </p> <p>"The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, their publicists and op-ed ideologues in the mass media are opening the entire Western world to terrorist attacks. By supporting Israeli terror and increasing the chance of Muslim reprisals, [they] strengthen the repressive structure of a growing police state in the US. The brilliant and precocious Ivy League academic apologists of each and every act of official Israeli state-sponsored international terror apparently dissociate these acts of assassination from likely reprisals in our country and the consequent further destruction of our remaining precarious democratic freedoms."</p> <p>http://petras.lahaine.org/articulo.php?p=1727&more=1&c=1</p> <p>"Brilliant and precocious Ivy League academic apologists" -- why, he's not talking about the Columbia-educated Obama, is he? </p> James Petras expands upon the downside for the U.S. of supporting state-sanctioned liquidations:

"The Israeli practice of staging international assassinations of opposition leaders in major cities will not only invite retaliation against Israelis and Jews but also endanger sites in the US and EU, for tolerating these acts of state-sponsored terror. In other words, Israeli terror invites terrorist counter attacks like September 11, 2001. Israel, by provoking a new round in the Palestinian ‘war through global terror’ and the US and EU by embracing an Israeli car bomb assassination in Damascus endanger Western lives everywhere.

"The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, their publicists and op-ed ideologues in the mass media are opening the entire Western world to terrorist attacks. By supporting Israeli terror and increasing the chance of Muslim reprisals, [they] strengthen the repressive structure of a growing police state in the US. The brilliant and precocious Ivy League academic apologists of each and every act of official Israeli state-sponsored international terror apparently dissociate these acts of assassination from likely reprisals in our country and the consequent further destruction of our remaining precarious democratic freedoms."

http://petras.lahaine.org/articulo.php?p=1727&more=1&c=1

"Brilliant and precocious Ivy League academic apologists" — why, he's not talking about the Columbia-educated Obama, is he?

]]> By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63947 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63947 <p>People are dreamers, easily swayed by snake oil salesmen and their brokers and CNBC lies on how to invest into the stock market....</p> People are dreamers, easily swayed by snake oil salesmen and their brokers and CNBC lies on how to invest into the stock market….

]]> By: MM http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63948 MM Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63948 <p>Phil really wants to believe. In a two-state solution, and in Barack Obama. Evidence--he don't need no stinking evidence. It's a feel good thang.</p> Phil really wants to believe. In a two-state solution, and in Barack Obama. Evidence–he don't need no stinking evidence. It's a feel good thang.

]]> By: scorpio http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63949 scorpio Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63949 <p>80% of americans have no liquid net worth, uneasy prospects for their livelihoods and families. their prospects have been deteriorating virtually every day for the last 25 years, but the intensity of the decline since 2000 has been overwhelming. i think they would like a little attention paid to their needs, and not the financial/military needs of the top 1%. if that means withdrawing from all military/occupation adventures i think most people would be thrilled. </p> 80% of americans have no liquid net worth, uneasy prospects for their livelihoods and families. their prospects have been deteriorating virtually every day for the last 25 years, but the intensity of the decline since 2000 has been overwhelming. i think they would like a little attention paid to their needs, and not the financial/military needs of the top 1%. if that means withdrawing from all military/occupation adventures i think most people would be thrilled.

]]> By: samuel burke http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63950 samuel burke Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63950 <p>"and what does it mean that two things Obama has had to renounce publicly--the Walt/Mearsheimer ad on his website, and Zbig Brzezinski's endorsement of the book--involve the same hot-button issue?)"</p> <p>it means that he is being oppressed by a zionist lobby that does not want americans to become aware of the truths surrounding this issue. the politicians respond in pavlovian fashion after so many years of training and the press, well even you phil, have said that the press is full of zionist american jews who go along to get along or at worst who enforce this zionist style of autocracy over its writers/reporters on the palestinian israeli debate. and this meritocracy as you dubb it make you proud of its achievements, or are you proud that in the jungle of life your people have shown themselves to be worthy warriors who have clawed their way to the top using the american political system and its FREE PRESS.</p> <p>what else could it mean other than he is being forced to keep silent while palestinians are being herded in cages and forced to live in ghettos and negotiate for their existence with their captors.</p> "and what does it mean that two things Obama has had to renounce publicly–the Walt/Mearsheimer ad on his website, and Zbig Brzezinski's endorsement of the book–involve the same hot-button issue?)"

it means that he is being oppressed by a zionist lobby that does not want americans to become aware of the truths surrounding this issue. the politicians respond in pavlovian fashion after so many years of training and the press, well even you phil, have said that the press is full of zionist american jews who go along to get along or at worst who enforce this zionist style of autocracy over its writers/reporters on the palestinian israeli debate. and this meritocracy as you dubb it make you proud of its achievements, or are you proud that in the jungle of life your people have shown themselves to be worthy warriors who have clawed their way to the top using the american political system and its FREE PRESS.

what else could it mean other than he is being forced to keep silent while palestinians are being herded in cages and forced to live in ghettos and negotiate for their existence with their captors.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63951 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63951 <p>True, but many of these same Americans raiding their 401Ks (if they even have one) and paying on their usury credit cards (if they still have one) are scared to death not only of having no cash for food, gas, and rent or mortgage, but equally of "Islamofacism" and "terrists" and they don't read beyond the incessant scare tactics Goering commented upon long ago regarding how you can easily get the "just folks" democratic masses to do what you want. Further, generally Americans love being total idiots. They are proud of not knowing the location of a country on the map or general history or economics, etc. The heavy trend is not to read anything except what you are required to read for work or school. Why bother when we have tv, videos, video games? The ability to concentrate on text for more than a few minutes on the internet is vanishing. Reading has declined drastically among the poorly educated AND the college-educated according to a 2007 report by the National Endowment for the Arts. More than 40% of Americans under age 44 do not read a single book, fiction or non-fiction, over the course of a year. (St. Petersburg Times, 2-24-'08).</p> True, but many of these same Americans raiding their 401Ks (if they even have one) and paying on their usury credit cards (if they still have one) are scared to death not only of having no cash for food, gas, and rent or mortgage, but equally of "Islamofacism" and "terrists" and they don't read beyond the incessant scare tactics Goering commented upon long ago regarding how you can easily get the "just folks" democratic masses to do what you want. Further, generally Americans love being total idiots. They are proud of not knowing the location of a country on the map or general history or economics, etc. The heavy trend is not to read anything except what you are required to read for work or school. Why bother when we have tv, videos, video games? The ability to concentrate on text for more than a few minutes on the internet is vanishing. Reading has declined drastically among the poorly educated AND the college-educated according to a 2007 report by the National Endowment for the Arts. More than 40% of Americans under age 44 do not read a single book, fiction or non-fiction, over the course of a year. (St. Petersburg Times, 2-24-'08).

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/the-most-import.html/comment-page-1#comment-63952 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/27/the-most-import.html#comment-63952 <p>It means that Obama decided that it was inappropriate.</p> <p>His decision, a good one.<br /> </p> It means that Obama decided that it was inappropriate.

His decision, a good one.

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