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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Phil is correct about something I will shoot myself. Hillary won big (yes, big) because of Hispanics and poor people. Huge margins in California, Arizona, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts means bye bye Barack.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Phil is correct about something I will shoot myself. Hillary won big (yes, big) because of Hispanics and poor people. Huge margins in California, Arizona, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts means bye bye Barack.</p>
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		<title>By: The International Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>The International Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Jewish Identity&quot; would be a lot stronger if &quot;Jewish-Americans&quot; actually practiced &quot;Judaism.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Jewish Identity&quot; would be a lot stronger if &quot;Jewish-Americans&quot; actually practiced &quot;Judaism.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/toronto-jews-ch.html/comment-page-1#comment-65113</link>
		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama won more delegates on Super Tuesday than HRC. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama won more delegates on Super Tuesday than HRC. </p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/toronto-jews-ch.html/comment-page-1#comment-65114</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David: why do you think Hillary won big among Hispanics and poor people? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Could it be the diverse Anti-Osama campaigns were helpful? e.g. Obama = Osama &amp; all the dirt along the racism and closet Muslim lines? A German documentary I saw yesterday showed me that this is often the first thing associated with Obama.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was there anything comparable targeting HRC? I am only aware of the story below. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_State_Digital&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Iran: US vs Israeli Intellegence; wasn&#039;t there already a certain amount of cooperation concerning the intelligence on Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2008/02/mossad_vs_the_c.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From this point of view Obama may indeed feel like an appeaser:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20080205obamamuslim.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Links collected by:&lt;br /&gt;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/messages&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: why do you think Hillary won big among Hispanics and poor people? </p>
<p>Could it be the diverse Anti-Osama campaigns were helpful? e.g. Obama = Osama &amp; all the dirt along the racism and closet Muslim lines? A German documentary I saw yesterday showed me that this is often the first thing associated with Obama.</p>
<p>Was there anything comparable targeting HRC? I am only aware of the story below. </p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_State_Digital</p>
<p>Iran: US vs Israeli Intellegence; wasn&#39;t there already a certain amount of cooperation concerning the intelligence on Iraq?</p>
<p>http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2008/02/mossad_vs_the_c.php</p>
<p>From this point of view Obama may indeed feel like an appeaser:</p>
<p>http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20080205obamamuslim.html</p>
<p>Links collected by:<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/messages/p">link to groups.yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haywood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/toronto-jews-ch.html/comment-page-1#comment-65115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Charles Jacobs identifies himself only as the president of a Darfur group on a neocon foundation&#039;s website, leaving out his many Zionist activities.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other day I saw a &#039;Save Darfur&#039; banner on a synagogue. Is it cynical to wonder whether the fairly prominent Jewish interest in Darfur is motivated solely by humanitarian concerns, or possibly by other objectives, such as using Darfur as a smokescreen to deflect attention from the humanitarian disaster in Gaza (one which they could do much more to solve)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The neocons&#039; attention to Darfur now is as puzzling as their push for intervention in Kosovo a decade ago. What are they up to, anyway?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Charles Jacobs identifies himself only as the president of a Darfur group on a neocon foundation&#39;s website, leaving out his many Zionist activities.&quot;</p>
<p>The other day I saw a &#39;Save Darfur&#39; banner on a synagogue. Is it cynical to wonder whether the fairly prominent Jewish interest in Darfur is motivated solely by humanitarian concerns, or possibly by other objectives, such as using Darfur as a smokescreen to deflect attention from the humanitarian disaster in Gaza (one which they could do much more to solve)?</p>
<p>The neocons&#39; attention to Darfur now is as puzzling as their push for intervention in Kosovo a decade ago. What are they up to, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those that assimilate will not identify as Jews in two generations. Those that retain their Jewish identity will continue to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That means continuing bar/bat mitzvahs, seders, days of awe, shabbat, study, ethics on the basis of Jewish principles. (Those principles are as broad and profound as any other tradition, and are a good vehicle for spiritual life, if practised and inquired into sincerely and commitedly.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That split between assimilation and commitment, is as it should be, and stimulated by different needs and goals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When growing up, I had a very strong attraction to social change, both political and personal/spiritual. I expressed it through dedication to a yoga practise, over decades, including prominently a system of ethics that did not conflict with my Jewish upbringing and identity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had relationships with non-Jewish women, and could have married one, and brought up children with the gradual assimilation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, I also had relationships with Jewish women, and eventually married one (even though we met at a yoga center in Calcutta).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She is the child of holocaust survivors, and in getting to know her mother, uncle, aunt, and the very few on her father&#039;s side that survived, my Jewish identity is MUCH more defined than if I had just proceeded as a Jewish yogi/hippie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its important and not dismissable by statistics. Absent a distinct religion and culture, assimilated Jews are only that temporarily. Soon their children are just assimilated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d rather be a carrot in a soup, than just a soup.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that assimilate will not identify as Jews in two generations. Those that retain their Jewish identity will continue to.</p>
<p>That means continuing bar/bat mitzvahs, seders, days of awe, shabbat, study, ethics on the basis of Jewish principles. (Those principles are as broad and profound as any other tradition, and are a good vehicle for spiritual life, if practised and inquired into sincerely and commitedly.)</p>
<p>That split between assimilation and commitment, is as it should be, and stimulated by different needs and goals.</p>
<p>When growing up, I had a very strong attraction to social change, both political and personal/spiritual. I expressed it through dedication to a yoga practise, over decades, including prominently a system of ethics that did not conflict with my Jewish upbringing and identity.</p>
<p>I had relationships with non-Jewish women, and could have married one, and brought up children with the gradual assimilation.</p>
<p>But, I also had relationships with Jewish women, and eventually married one (even though we met at a yoga center in Calcutta).</p>
<p>She is the child of holocaust survivors, and in getting to know her mother, uncle, aunt, and the very few on her father&#39;s side that survived, my Jewish identity is MUCH more defined than if I had just proceeded as a Jewish yogi/hippie.</p>
<p>Its important and not dismissable by statistics. Absent a distinct religion and culture, assimilated Jews are only that temporarily. Soon their children are just assimilated.</p>
<p>I&#39;d rather be a carrot in a soup, than just a soup.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus Bloemker, Frankfurt, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A Jew/Israeli at home and an American in the street&lt;br /&gt;
_________________&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I was at Vad Vashem&#039;s Holocaust museum there was a rabbi who led a group of young American Yeshiva students and explained the exhibits to them. I was listening in. At one point he said about German  Jewry: &quot;You were a Jew at home and a German in the street.&quot; I have come across this sentence in the literature also and have been wondering what it means. Is it just a description of a factual situation or is it a norm?: &#039;Be a Jew at home, be a German in the street!&#039; - anyway, there is some inbuild ambiguity of identity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I left Yad Vashem I passed by the group that was standing outside and I overheard the rabbi telling them: &quot;We have a mission in the world.&quot; I have also been wondering what that mission was.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW, these students were friendly. One of them had come up to me to ask who I am. When I told him I was German he was not taken aback (in the middle of the German horror exhibition), to the contrary. He said their rabbi had studied a couple of years in Hamburg and I should talk to him in German. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Jew/Israeli at home and an American in the street<br />
_________________</p>
<p>When I was at Vad Vashem&#39;s Holocaust museum there was a rabbi who led a group of young American Yeshiva students and explained the exhibits to them. I was listening in. At one point he said about German  Jewry: &quot;You were a Jew at home and a German in the street.&quot; I have come across this sentence in the literature also and have been wondering what it means. Is it just a description of a factual situation or is it a norm?: &#39;Be a Jew at home, be a German in the street!&#39; &#8211; anyway, there is some inbuild ambiguity of identity.</p>
<p>When I left Yad Vashem I passed by the group that was standing outside and I overheard the rabbi telling them: &quot;We have a mission in the world.&quot; I have also been wondering what that mission was.</p>
<p>BTW, these students were friendly. One of them had come up to me to ask who I am. When I told him I was German he was not taken aback (in the middle of the German horror exhibition), to the contrary. He said their rabbi had studied a couple of years in Hamburg and I should talk to him in German. </p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what&#039;s so awful about assimilation, unless when push comes to shove you think your genes are too special to be mixed with the masses.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know what&#39;s so awful about assimilation, unless when push comes to shove you think your genes are too special to be mixed with the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh good grief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh good grief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its clear the yoga was only practiced on a physical level...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its clear the yoga was only practiced on a physical level&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have written an entry relating to this post on one of my blogs:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Eternal Dilemma of the Authoritarian Jew&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.judeofascism.com/2008/02/eternal-dilemma-of-authoritarian-jew.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written an entry relating to this post on one of my blogs:</p>
<p>The Eternal Dilemma of the Authoritarian Jew</p>
<p>http://www.judeofascism.com/2008/02/eternal-dilemma-of-authoritarian-jew.html</p>
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