Comments on: UN Official Says Time for Two-State Solution Has Passed

By: Tzali

Tzali — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Philip, you aging clown, why are the only Jews who matter your mythical 'young liberal Jews in America, anti-Zionist and pro-Nakba commemoration"?
Why do the millions of working-class Jews in Israel not matter? Could it be that, as trust-fund (through marriage) unemployed elitist you cannot idnetify with the working poor?

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Thanks for the Khalidi reference.

Did you read Kimmerling's work?

1984 was 23 years ago. The cold war was still in high gear. Israel had functionally annexed the West Bank, creating a functional single state, as Sari Nusseibeh referred ironically in an NPR interview about six months ago. (Social services provided, nearly free movement within Israel).

After MUCH work and conflict, the concept that a sovereign Palestine is needed, is accepted among nearly all Israelis.

I was disappointed that Israel did not GRAB the Arab states proposal, and move firmly towards Palestinian sovereignty at the green line.

Personally, I think it was probably good to delay, as it was dependant on the United States to bridge some large chasms, which the current American administration is incompetent to accomplish.

Better to delay than destroy.

But, also better not to drag one's feet on what is possible now.

By: Charles Keating

Charles Keating — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

No peace arrangement that involves the Palestinians and does not address the refugee issue is not worth the paper it’s printed on. All Middle East governments involved can only go so far on this issue or they would quickly get kicked out government by their own masses. The plan posits a real peace with normal relations by all involved, with the refugee problem to be agreed on. Even if both Israel and the USA's next administration are less aggressive and arrogant, how far can the players go with their language thrust? Some jobs for the wordsmiths since they will at least have to say something more about the refugee problem than "to be agreed on."

By: syvanen

syvanen — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Tzali's comments are quite relevant to this thread, not the clown part, but pointing out the importance of working class and other less well off Israeli Jews. I have seen the polling numbers. These people do not accept the two state solution and they create a political situation that may very well make it impossible for any Israeli government to agree to one. They along with the 400,000 west bank settlers are a coalition that can subvert any efforts at a two state solution.

If this is so then it leaves only two possibilities -- the apartheid solution or one state with civil rights for all.

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I'm assuming that Walid Khalidi is Rashid Khalidi's father. If so, he has good yichus.

BTW, Tom Dine, no longer affiliated w. AIPAC, now fanices himself a dove & has been involved w. some of the efforts to create a unified national Jewish peace group.

So maybe there's hope for the rest of those clowns at AIPAC...