Comments on: Did Jewish Identity Stand in the Way of the Peace Process at Camp David?

By: Darius Goodwin

Darius Goodwin — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Speaking of triablism, these creative thinkers have managed to synthesize two of your most recent favorite topics. A must read!

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/elliot-spitzers-hooker-468828p5.html

By: liberal white boy

liberal white boy — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Ungrateful Palestinian bastards! Didn't they know liberal Zionists were working on their behalf for Peace. I bet they even called for a slow down in the theft of West Bank land and other resources while the peace process was being discussed(Not that Israel would give a shit). War criminal and now Diaper Dan Ariel Sharon made where they stood very clear back in 2001 a few weeks after 9/11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
– Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

I'm sure no one has thought of this but if America actually integrated our peace negotiation teams perhaps the Palestinians might think we were actually interested in peace. Just a thought.

I should point out Sharon didn't say Zionist people here did he?

“>link to homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com

By: Phil Weiss

Phil Weiss — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

lwb you are making me laugh

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"As anyone who has read the literature knows, Clinton's team was almost all Jewish. I think there was one Arab member. I've always found this troubling, but am not sure how to address it."

From link to eaazi.blogspot.com
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Israel Advocacy organizations worked for fifty years to delegitimize Arabist points of view in the foreign service and state department, to drive out Arabist officers or bureaucrats, and to replace them with Israel sympathetic personnel (see The Marginalization of U.S. Mideast Experts).

By: Rowan Berkeley

Rowan Berkeley — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

The story of how that Sharon-to-Peres remark was first reported then denied is extremely revealing, i think – this seems to have been the last word : geyer retracted and apologised.
link to camera.org

By: Jim Haygood

Jim Haygood — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Dan Kurtzer ... would become ... a distinguished US ambassador to Egypt and Israel. His ambassadorial residence in Cairo was strictly kosher ... Dan is deeply committed to the Jewish state." -- Aaron Miller

Oh, my. It's always a respectful gesture to appoint ambassadors who have some affinity for the foreign culture, and know the language. But sending one who is "deeply committed to the Jewish state" first to Egypt, then to Israel? Who the hell makes these decisions?

The obvious problem in Egypt is that such an ambassador will be suspected of being an Israeli spy. In Israel, when U.S. interests conflict with Israel's, where does the loyalty of such an official lie?

Presumably, the era when homosexuality was considered a disqualification for foreign service owing to the potential for blackmail is long since over. But sensitivity to national loyalty conflicts of interest seems entirely lacking.

Wasn't it the Wall Street Journal which described Madeleine Albright's State Department as being almost exclusively Jewish at the deputy and undersecretary levels? There's a problem, in a big, diverse country like the U.S., when its foreign ministry and ambassadorial corps don't "look like America." Part of the problem is money: it's increasingly common for ambassadorships to be handed out to wealthy political donors, rather than to career State Dept. employees.

But also, State seems to indulge in some preferential hiring. It evinces an Ivy League tilt ... and with their 30-40% Jewish enrollments, those universities don't "look like America" either. However, a polished presentation -- the ability to speak passable French, munch exotic finger foods and hobnob socially with the elite -- is highly valued at State ... as I learned at some diplomatic cocktail parties. Hell, even being from sophisticated New York earns you some extra brownie points in their eyes. And so the social profiling continues.

How long can this charade continue? How can I get appointed as His Excellency, the Ambassador to Slambovia?

By: syvaen

syvaen — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Rarely mentioned but what should be stressed is the that the I/P policies of the Clinton administration not only failed but they may have even made things much worse. Most progressives supported the Oslo peace process at the time but in retrospect it is clear that it was a charade that distracted attention and allowed an acceleration of the settlement growth. The actual wording of the documents signed in 1992 permitted settlement expansion and the Israelis took full advantage. Then the Camp David fiasco allowed Barak to return to Israel and announce that 'there was no one to talk to' and Clinton supported him. Since then nothing.

Sharon has likely won, those settlements are probably irreversible facts on the ground today. Clinton is largely responsible for this. The fact that he entrusted two aipac operatives, Indyk and Ross, to important ME policy positions is how it happened -- they of course knew what they were doing and probably duped Clinton into going along. However, the important thing is rarely talked about and that is the failure and setbacks belong to Clinton. Why is he not being held accountable? We can't blame aipac since they were just doing what they do, every politician in Washington knows what they are. Clinton made the decision to trust them.

By: David

David — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I disagree Phil. I thought the poem was brilliant and on target. It's inspired me to write one of my own--about a genocide that I suffered here in New York.
Here's an extract:

The Nakba in New York

So what happened to my father is not a Nakba?
OK, then find another word.
It's the same thing.
Wiping out the place names.
I can't find my father's street
on a map of New York, what he called Mount Morris Avenue is "Marcus Garvey Avenue" now.
And the settlers who have stolen his home do indeed murder,
rape,
humiliate,
and destroy.
And boy do they ever piss there too!
Mt Morris Park, his childhood haunt, is heavy with the stench
of their piss.
Palestine isn't on a map.
And so isn't Mt Morris Avenue.

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Joachim wrote:
"Israel Advocacy organizations worked for fifty years to delegitimize Arabist points of view…"
Here’s a related article about how conservatives were pro-Palestinian up until the 70’s, by which time Neocon Jewish Zionist like Leo Strauss had wormed their way into conservative institutions and used their credentials to poison the cause of the Palestinians in conservative circles: