Comments on: Leftwing Jews Provide Cover to Extremist Wurmser http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: syvanen http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63468 syvanen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63468 <p>I find it easy to criticize specific Israeli policies but avoid criticizing Zionism, even with the caveat "rightwing". To my ears it sounds antisemitic and to be sure it is a term that rolls easily off the tongues of real antisemites. (speaking of which, it might improve your comments section if you could scrub some who post here) You are correct, the assault will have to be led by Jewish intellectuals before us goyim can criticize zionism.</p> I find it easy to criticize specific Israeli policies but avoid criticizing Zionism, even with the caveat "rightwing". To my ears it sounds antisemitic and to be sure it is a term that rolls easily off the tongues of real antisemites. (speaking of which, it might improve your comments section if you could scrub some who post here) You are correct, the assault will have to be led by Jewish intellectuals before us goyim can criticize zionism.

]]> By: Val http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63469 Val Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63469 <p>syvanan censorship is a bad business, sometimes the shouting is about fear and anger. Right now there is a lot of angry and frightened people. Phil is a good guy, a smart guy who knows that gulf between Jews and gentiles is never going to bridged without total honesty. Sometimes, you have to get the shouting out of the way before the talking starts. Our guys are dying, god only knows the genuine number of dead Arabs. It isn't an ugly rumour who architected this war, it's a fact. Phil knows it, he isn't alone he just has the<br /> guts AND intelligence to know, lies only get us so far.<br /> About Wurmser - Ahmedinajad would have to work night and day for the nest fifty years to wreak the damage on my country the way the Zionists have. That isn't an opinion either, it a plain cold fact. Censor is the liars best friend. <br /> </p> syvanan censorship is a bad business, sometimes the shouting is about fear and anger. Right now there is a lot of angry and frightened people. Phil is a good guy, a smart guy who knows that gulf between Jews and gentiles is never going to bridged without total honesty. Sometimes, you have to get the shouting out of the way before the talking starts. Our guys are dying, god only knows the genuine number of dead Arabs. It isn't an ugly rumour who architected this war, it's a fact. Phil knows it, he isn't alone he just has the
guts AND intelligence to know, lies only get us so far.
About Wurmser – Ahmedinajad would have to work night and day for the nest fifty years to wreak the damage on my country the way the Zionists have. That isn't an opinion either, it a plain cold fact. Censor is the liars best friend.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63470 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63470 <p>wurmser like dershowitz like pipes like feith like albright like lieberman like wiesel like walters like wolfowitz like summers like, well, continue for 10 - 12 million names. all are jews. all pray to israel. all are mediocre, worthless, damaging to usa, hey, the world. yet all continue in high paying, high profile/status jobs. such is the "greatness", "superiority" of jews - affirmative action of the worst sort. </p> wurmser like dershowitz like pipes like feith like albright like lieberman like wiesel like walters like wolfowitz like summers like, well, continue for 10 – 12 million names. all are jews. all pray to israel. all are mediocre, worthless, damaging to usa, hey, the world. yet all continue in high paying, high profile/status jobs. such is the "greatness", "superiority" of jews – affirmative action of the worst sort.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63471 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63471 <p>.</p> <p>"We have to be very forthright and say that this kind of rational critique of the Zionist project is really necessary. It's necessary in order to prevent anti-Semitism, among other things." - Joel Kovel</p> <p>I doubted that I would ever see this simple, rational statement in print. </p> <p>"Until the Jewish left ... accepts that Jews won't be persecuted for naming the Israel-first agenda of their Likudnik neocon cousins, the left will continue to ... provide cover to reactionary extremists." - Phil Weiss</p> <p>Indeed. The truth always comes out. It is far riskier to cover up the excesses of the Israel Lobby than to expose them. How many politicians have been brought down by the cover-up, rather than the original crime? </p> .

"We have to be very forthright and say that this kind of rational critique of the Zionist project is really necessary. It's necessary in order to prevent anti-Semitism, among other things." – Joel Kovel

I doubted that I would ever see this simple, rational statement in print.

"Until the Jewish left … accepts that Jews won't be persecuted for naming the Israel-first agenda of their Likudnik neocon cousins, the left will continue to … provide cover to reactionary extremists." – Phil Weiss

Indeed. The truth always comes out. It is far riskier to cover up the excesses of the Israel Lobby than to expose them. How many politicians have been brought down by the cover-up, rather than the original crime?

]]> By: MM http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63472 MM Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63472 <p>Just in fairness to Greenwald, another top journalist and conscientious, truly progressive American Jew, he has criticized the Lobby and "enforced orthodoxy" of right-wing Zionism for the run-up to war with Iran, for instance.</p> <p>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/03/enforced_orthodoxies/index.html</p> <p>While Phil's title is apt, he and others like him deserve recognition for not towing the line, for not accepting the easy Zionist narrative of good vs. evil, for not eschewing the truth to protect a vague, anachronistic notion of "one's own".</p> Just in fairness to Greenwald, another top journalist and conscientious, truly progressive American Jew, he has criticized the Lobby and "enforced orthodoxy" of right-wing Zionism for the run-up to war with Iran, for instance.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/03/enforced_orthodoxies/index.html

While Phil's title is apt, he and others like him deserve recognition for not towing the line, for not accepting the easy Zionist narrative of good vs. evil, for not eschewing the truth to protect a vague, anachronistic notion of "one's own".

]]> By: Michael Blaine http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63473 Michael Blaine Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63473 <p>Thanks for the superb Kovel quote, Phil, and your excellent commentary structured around it.</p> <p>This is the best, most energizing post I've read since I started following your blog.</p> <p>"Jews are safe here, and unsafe there."</p> <p>Boy is that right. I've said for years that the US should phase out official aid to Israel, but offer all Israelis US citizenship in the meantime.</p> <p>Israel is an untenable state, while the US would benefit from the injection of immigrants coming from Israel.</p> <p>Michael Blaine<br /> www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com</p> Thanks for the superb Kovel quote, Phil, and your excellent commentary structured around it.

This is the best, most energizing post I've read since I started following your blog.

"Jews are safe here, and unsafe there."

Boy is that right. I've said for years that the US should phase out official aid to Israel, but offer all Israelis US citizenship in the meantime.

Israel is an untenable state, while the US would benefit from the injection of immigrants coming from Israel.

Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63474 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63474 <p>"This is the best, most energizing post I've read since I started following your blog."</p> <p>That's for damned sure. This post of Phil's deserves to be expanded into an article in a monthly literary magazine. Foreign Affairs, New Republic and Commentary could gaze upon the spectacle, noses pressed against the glass in impotent envy. Message: "We are relevant." Bwa ha ha ha ...</p> "This is the best, most energizing post I've read since I started following your blog."

That's for damned sure. This post of Phil's deserves to be expanded into an article in a monthly literary magazine. Foreign Affairs, New Republic and Commentary could gaze upon the spectacle, noses pressed against the glass in impotent envy. Message: "We are relevant." Bwa ha ha ha …

]]> By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63475 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63475 <p>Well holy cow - there it is.</p> <p>Certainly proves my point.<br /> Again, I will "steal" Mr. Weiss' blog post and analyze it for my audience.</p> <p>Meanwhile:<br /> http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/02/scott-ritter-on-israeli-lobby-influence.html<br /> http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/03/not-attacking-iran-is-viewed-as-being.html<br /> http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/02/israel-is-why-i-became-member-of.html</p> Well holy cow – there it is.

Certainly proves my point.
Again, I will "steal" Mr. Weiss' blog post and analyze it for my audience.

Meanwhile:
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]]> By: Anonymous http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63476 Anonymous Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63476 <p>"it might improve your comments section if you could scrub some who post here"</p> <p>I reiterate my viewpoint: those who care to comment here are trying to bring the subject to light (yes, even the sordid parts of it) and get educated in the process. If you stay the present course of censorship, those who will follow us will have no ears and no heart. Suit yourself.</p> "it might improve your comments section if you could scrub some who post here"

I reiterate my viewpoint: those who care to comment here are trying to bring the subject to light (yes, even the sordid parts of it) and get educated in the process. If you stay the present course of censorship, those who will follow us will have no ears and no heart. Suit yourself.

]]> By: Gene http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/even-leftwing-j.html/comment-page-1#comment-63477 Gene Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/10/even-leftwing-j.html#comment-63477 <p>Michael Blain: "I've said for years that the US should phase out official aid to Israel, but offer all Israelis US citizenship in the meantime."</p> <p>I agree with you about the quote, "Jews are safe here and unsafe there." It struck me too. I don't know that we should offer Israelis free citizenship though in return for their willingness to renounce American aid. There are a lot of people who haven't sunk any American ships or stolen any intelligence secrets who would like to be Americans too.</p> Michael Blain: "I've said for years that the US should phase out official aid to Israel, but offer all Israelis US citizenship in the meantime."

I agree with you about the quote, "Jews are safe here and unsafe there." It struck me too. I don't know that we should offer Israelis free citizenship though in return for their willingness to renounce American aid. There are a lot of people who haven't sunk any American ships or stolen any intelligence secrets who would like to be Americans too.

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