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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Part of the problem is Harvardism, I&#039;m afraid.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ah ha ha ha&lt;br /&gt;
AH HA HA HA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Damn, where are the &#039;ROFL&#039; emoticons for this site?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What did I tell ye about Hahvid just yesterday, Phil?  That it&#039;s the &quot;university&quot; [sic] which granted an MBA to one George W. Bush. I REST MY CASE!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;He&#039;s gone crimson, lookit them boots!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Part of the problem is Harvardism, I&#39;m afraid.&quot;</p>
<p>ah ha ha ha<br />
AH HA HA HA</p>
<p>Damn, where are the &#39;ROFL&#39; emoticons for this site?</p>
<p>What did I tell ye about Hahvid just yesterday, Phil?  That it&#39;s the &quot;university&quot; [sic] which granted an MBA to one George W. Bush. I REST MY CASE!</p>
<p>&quot;He&#39;s gone crimson, lookit them boots!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe this can also provide a little &quot;contextualization&quot;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/204023/index.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are those people I see, protesting the Iraq war in Harvard square this past week, with Iraq Veterans Against the War?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Shouldn&#039;t they be doing that in a less public place? With a representative of General Betrayus there to provide balance?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this can also provide a little &quot;contextualization&quot;:</p>
<p>http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/204023/index.php</p>
<p>Are those people I see, protesting the Iraq war in Harvard square this past week, with Iraq Veterans Against the War?</p>
<p>Shouldn&#39;t they be doing that in a less public place? With a representative of General Betrayus there to provide balance?</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who says good thing never came out of slave money?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like the term, &quot;Harvardism.&quot; To be fair then, there ought to be a &quot;Yaleism&quot; to accompany it. Or maybe we can opt for &quot;Ivyism&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=515322&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A frequently cited case of Harvard’s slavery ties is that of the original benefactor of Harvard Law School (HLS).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The school was formed in 1817 “with the money left to Harvard by an Antiguan slave owner and planter, Isaac Royall,” Boston College law professor Daniel R. Coquillette said in a 2001 speech at HLS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Royall had sold his slaves and plantations in the Caribbean in order to move to Medford, Mass., according to Coquillette, now a visiting professor at HLS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Royall’s Medford estate—which includes the only remaining slave quarters in the northeast—is now a museum.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[MM: MY FAVORITE BIT FOLLOWS!]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HLS has also continued to award the Royall chair to its professors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the term, &quot;Harvardism.&quot; To be fair then, there ought to be a &quot;Yaleism&quot; to accompany it. Or maybe we can opt for &quot;Ivyism&quot;?</p>
<p>http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=515322</p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;</p>
<p>A frequently cited case of Harvard’s slavery ties is that of the original benefactor of Harvard Law School (HLS).</p>
<p>The school was formed in 1817 “with the money left to Harvard by an Antiguan slave owner and planter, Isaac Royall,” Boston College law professor Daniel R. Coquillette said in a 2001 speech at HLS.</p>
<p>Royall had sold his slaves and plantations in the Caribbean in order to move to Medford, Mass., according to Coquillette, now a visiting professor at HLS.</p>
<p>Royall’s Medford estate—which includes the only remaining slave quarters in the northeast—is now a museum.</p>
<p>[MM: MY FAVORITE BIT FOLLOWS!]</p>
<p>HLS has also continued to award the Royall chair to its professors.</p>
<p>&#8230;&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;A frequently cited case of Harvard’s slavery ties is that of the original benefactor of Harvard Law School (HLS).&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh boy, that&#039;s a big can of worms you&#039;re opening there, Professor MM. An even bigger picture is provided in the book, &quot;The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Volume One&quot; (Nation of Islam, Boston, 1991). It asserts that &quot;Jewish slave traders procured Black Africans by the tens of thousands and funneled them to the plantations of South America and throughout the Caribbean.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Despite the hundreds of footnotes, critics say that it&#039;s just an antisemitic screed written by authors with a bias. But in the era before wire transfers and letters of credit, is it really so far-fetched to assert that a network of Jewish traders had a major hand in the slave trade? Why are the oldest U.S. synagogues located on the Rhode Island and South Carolina coasts, anyhow (not to mention the ancient synagogues in northeast Brazil)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s remarkable how slave OWNERS are held up to obloquy in the victor&#039;s histories which followed the War Between the States, yet there&#039;s only silence about the slave TRADERS. Who WERE those masked men, anyway? Just one of history&#039;s mysteries, I reckon. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;A frequently cited case of Harvard’s slavery ties is that of the original benefactor of Harvard Law School (HLS).&quot;</p>
<p>Oh boy, that&#39;s a big can of worms you&#39;re opening there, Professor MM. An even bigger picture is provided in the book, &quot;The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Volume One&quot; (Nation of Islam, Boston, 1991). It asserts that &quot;Jewish slave traders procured Black Africans by the tens of thousands and funneled them to the plantations of South America and throughout the Caribbean.&quot;</p>
<p>Despite the hundreds of footnotes, critics say that it&#39;s just an antisemitic screed written by authors with a bias. But in the era before wire transfers and letters of credit, is it really so far-fetched to assert that a network of Jewish traders had a major hand in the slave trade? Why are the oldest U.S. synagogues located on the Rhode Island and South Carolina coasts, anyhow (not to mention the ancient synagogues in northeast Brazil)?</p>
<p>It&#39;s remarkable how slave OWNERS are held up to obloquy in the victor&#39;s histories which followed the War Between the States, yet there&#39;s only silence about the slave TRADERS. Who WERE those masked men, anyway? Just one of history&#39;s mysteries, I reckon. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/i-am-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-63024</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The slavery stuff is a resentful hole. It is a can of worms, with no current relevance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m curious about what bothers you most about the &quot;Breaking the Silence&quot; display. The site change, the reasons you understood for the site change, the presence of those describing different perspectives at the site, the presence of &quot;officials&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wanted to see it. If you have any contact with the organizers, can you request that they send it to a college near my way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There would be MANY interested in my region.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I couldn&#039;t get to Boston.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slavery stuff is a resentful hole. It is a can of worms, with no current relevance.</p>
<p>I&#39;m curious about what bothers you most about the &quot;Breaking the Silence&quot; display. The site change, the reasons you understood for the site change, the presence of those describing different perspectives at the site, the presence of &quot;officials&quot;?</p>
<p>I wanted to see it. If you have any contact with the organizers, can you request that they send it to a college near my way.</p>
<p>There would be MANY interested in my region.</p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t get to Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/i-am-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-63025</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Historically Judean groups of late antiquity and later Jewish group were most involved in the trade in Slavic slaves, but by the 15th century Jews were probably more involved in the higher profit and less dangerous ancilliary trades like medicine, banking, and finance. Tax farming and estate management were also highly associated with the slave trade throughout large parts of Europe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ibero-Berger refugee Jewish communities were disproportionately involved in financing the Arican slave trade, but the contribution of German Jews comes in the pre-Civil period when German Jewish immigrants brought a fairly sophisticated understanding of finance, retail and wholesale trade in association with management of feudal and semi-feudal estates that existed in parts of Germany and recently Germanized Polish regions, which still had fairly large serf populations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The US Founding Fathers assumed that slavery would die out because of decreasing profitability. The knoweledge base that German Jews brought to the USA helped to make the system work when the Philadephia and Boston finance industries may have been developing qualms about investing in Slavery.  (One could argue that gentile firms left this sector not because of moral reasons but because of lack of expertise.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/10/origins-of-modern-jewry.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/12/les-origines-des-juifs-actuels.html&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically Judean groups of late antiquity and later Jewish group were most involved in the trade in Slavic slaves, but by the 15th century Jews were probably more involved in the higher profit and less dangerous ancilliary trades like medicine, banking, and finance. Tax farming and estate management were also highly associated with the slave trade throughout large parts of Europe.</p>
<p>Ibero-Berger refugee Jewish communities were disproportionately involved in financing the Arican slave trade, but the contribution of German Jews comes in the pre-Civil period when German Jewish immigrants brought a fairly sophisticated understanding of finance, retail and wholesale trade in association with management of feudal and semi-feudal estates that existed in parts of Germany and recently Germanized Polish regions, which still had fairly large serf populations.</p>
<p>The US Founding Fathers assumed that slavery would die out because of decreasing profitability. The knoweledge base that German Jews brought to the USA helped to make the system work when the Philadephia and Boston finance industries may have been developing qualms about investing in Slavery.  (One could argue that gentile firms left this sector not because of moral reasons but because of lack of expertise.)</p>
<p>http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/10/origins-of-modern-jewry.html</p>
<p>http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/12/les-origines-des-juifs-actuels.html</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/i-am-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-63026</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course Joachim would dive in to the contreversy specifically siting Jewish participation in a currently non-existent trade.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: William Burns</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/i-am-the-bigges.html/comment-page-1#comment-63027</link>
		<dc:creator>William Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there&#039;s an interesting generational shift here in &quot;pro-Israel&quot; strategies.  The ZOA strategy is essentially authoritarian--note that the argument for the superior morality of the IDF they give is solely based on the fact that Sharansky nd Dershowitz say it&#039;s moral.  The argument is also maximalist--they can&#039;t just claim the IDF respect human rights, they have to say it respects human rights more than any army in the world.   An unbroken front of Jewish unity is also vital to ZOA.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Contrast this with Steinberg&#039;s position.  For Steniberg, the important thing is not monolithic Jewish unity, which he recognizes as impossible, but that the Jewish/pro-Israel community retain control over the discussion.  For ZOA, it would be better if the BTS exhibition, if it had to appear at all, would be in a non-Jewish space.  Steinberg realizes that presenting in a Jewish space, surrounded by contrasting voices, actually diminishes its impact, as well as allowing Hillel to control access--limited hours and so on. Ideally, the visitor to Hillel will walk away thinking &quot;this subject is really controversial&quot; rather than &quot;the way Israelis treat Palestinians is really terrible.&quot;  The idea that you need an IDF escort to see an exhibition is an embodiment of this strategy.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The whole thing reminds me of the shift in the creationist movement from old-school six-day, biblically based creationism to &quot;intelligent design&quot; and &quot;teaching the controversy.&quot;  Steinberg represents the future of pro-Israel advocacy, ZOA the past.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#39;s an interesting generational shift here in &quot;pro-Israel&quot; strategies.  The ZOA strategy is essentially authoritarian&#8211;note that the argument for the superior morality of the IDF they give is solely based on the fact that Sharansky nd Dershowitz say it&#39;s moral.  The argument is also maximalist&#8211;they can&#39;t just claim the IDF respect human rights, they have to say it respects human rights more than any army in the world.   An unbroken front of Jewish unity is also vital to ZOA.</p>
<p>Contrast this with Steinberg&#39;s position.  For Steniberg, the important thing is not monolithic Jewish unity, which he recognizes as impossible, but that the Jewish/pro-Israel community retain control over the discussion.  For ZOA, it would be better if the BTS exhibition, if it had to appear at all, would be in a non-Jewish space.  Steinberg realizes that presenting in a Jewish space, surrounded by contrasting voices, actually diminishes its impact, as well as allowing Hillel to control access&#8211;limited hours and so on. Ideally, the visitor to Hillel will walk away thinking &quot;this subject is really controversial&quot; rather than &quot;the way Israelis treat Palestinians is really terrible.&quot;  The idea that you need an IDF escort to see an exhibition is an embodiment of this strategy.   </p>
<p>The whole thing reminds me of the shift in the creationist movement from old-school six-day, biblically based creationism to &quot;intelligent design&quot; and &quot;teaching the controversy.&quot;  Steinberg represents the future of pro-Israel advocacy, ZOA the past.  </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joachim,&lt;br /&gt;
You made a statement a little while back that there was &quot;no persecution of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Am I misreading your statement, or did I characterize it accurately?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How did the original view that Jews had had enough of persecution originate in your view?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It doesn&#039;t ring true to me that it was without substance.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joachim,<br />
You made a statement a little while back that there was &quot;no persecution of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe&quot;.</p>
<p>Am I misreading your statement, or did I characterize it accurately?</p>
<p>How did the original view that Jews had had enough of persecution originate in your view?</p>
<p>It doesn&#39;t ring true to me that it was without substance.</p>
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