Comments on: ‘Times’ Mentions Crisis in American Jewish Identity Over Israel http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:41:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: liberal white boy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63826 liberal white boy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63826 <p>Speaking of Apartheid walls.</p> <p>From The Same Country That Made 9/11 Possible...Israeli technology to keep US borders safe<br /> http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/03/from-same-country-that-made-911.html</p> Speaking of Apartheid walls.

From The Same Country That Made 9/11 Possible…Israeli technology to keep US borders safe
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63827 <p>I understood the Gershom article as a description of the divide between the orthodox and the more secular and moderately religious Jewish community.</p> <p>The majority of American Jews that affiliate, affiliate with the "conservative" Jewish movement (not orthodox, but more adherent than reform or reconstructionist.). The orthodox rabbinate has gotten the authority to determine what marriages are Jewish. </p> <p>And, by extension, who is Jewish for the purpose of the right of return.</p> <p>Its an irony, that functionally puts the orthodox rabbinate in OPPOSITION to the Zionist effort of immigration.</p> I understood the Gershom article as a description of the divide between the orthodox and the more secular and moderately religious Jewish community.

The majority of American Jews that affiliate, affiliate with the "conservative" Jewish movement (not orthodox, but more adherent than reform or reconstructionist.). The orthodox rabbinate has gotten the authority to determine what marriages are Jewish.

And, by extension, who is Jewish for the purpose of the right of return.

Its an irony, that functionally puts the orthodox rabbinate in OPPOSITION to the Zionist effort of immigration.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63828 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63828 <p>"There is no civil marriage in Israel," states Gorenberg in the first paragraph. How, then, do non-Jewish couples get married in Israel? Or even worse, 'mixed' couples (one Jew and one gentile)?</p> <p>Or does the world's last apartheid state define religiously mixed marriages as 'miscegenation'? Wouldn't surprise me in the least.</p> <p>"Its an irony, that functionally puts the orthodox rabbinate in OPPOSITION to the Zionist effort of immigration," says Richard Witty. That's called getting hoisted on your own tribalistic petard.</p> <p>How many other states in the world deny civil marriage -- if ANY? Israel is a complete outlier, and I don't mean that as a compliment.</p> "There is no civil marriage in Israel," states Gorenberg in the first paragraph. How, then, do non-Jewish couples get married in Israel? Or even worse, 'mixed' couples (one Jew and one gentile)?

Or does the world's last apartheid state define religiously mixed marriages as 'miscegenation'? Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

"Its an irony, that functionally puts the orthodox rabbinate in OPPOSITION to the Zionist effort of immigration," says Richard Witty. That's called getting hoisted on your own tribalistic petard.

How many other states in the world deny civil marriage — if ANY? Israel is a complete outlier, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63829 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63829 <p>Gotta keep the blood line going to stay the only survivor group.<br /> Nothing means more. Look at history. </p> Gotta keep the blood line going to stay the only survivor group.
Nothing means more. Look at history.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63830 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63830 <p>G-D means maternal history. </p> G-D means maternal history.

]]> By: Montag http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63831 Montag Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63831 <p>Jim Haygood,<br /> As I understand it, couples who can't marry in Israel either just live together or make a quick trip to Cyprus for a Civil Marriage. Either way it serves to buttress a secular lifestyle. By denying its citizens the right to civil marriage Israel is becoming much the same kind of political dinosaur as the Papal States became before they were forcibly annexed by Italy in 1870.</p> <p>When Massachusetts Governor Jim Curley tried to ban civil marriages in the 1930s he was quickly told how unacceptable the idea was. One newspaper opined, "Even Atheists have a right to marry in Massachusetts."</p> Jim Haygood,
As I understand it, couples who can't marry in Israel either just live together or make a quick trip to Cyprus for a Civil Marriage. Either way it serves to buttress a secular lifestyle. By denying its citizens the right to civil marriage Israel is becoming much the same kind of political dinosaur as the Papal States became before they were forcibly annexed by Italy in 1870.

When Massachusetts Governor Jim Curley tried to ban civil marriages in the 1930s he was quickly told how unacceptable the idea was. One newspaper opined, "Even Atheists have a right to marry in Massachusetts."

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/in-yesterdays-t.html/comment-page-1#comment-63832 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/03/03/in-yesterdays-t.html#comment-63832 <p>Montag: thanks, that's what I suspected. It closely parallels the Jim Crow South, where interracial couples could not get married. They could go outside the South and get married, and possibly have their out-of-state marriage recognized upon returning. But they also risked prosecution for miscegenation (which is the burning concern of Jewish anti-assimilationists, though they understandably avoid the term).</p> <p>Another aspect of the world's last apartheid state revealed.</p> Montag: thanks, that's what I suspected. It closely parallels the Jim Crow South, where interracial couples could not get married. They could go outside the South and get married, and possibly have their out-of-state marriage recognized upon returning. But they also risked prosecution for miscegenation (which is the burning concern of Jewish anti-assimilationists, though they understandably avoid the term).

Another aspect of the world's last apartheid state revealed.

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