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		<title>By: Andrew Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil - I tried posting this in the previous discussion, but it didn&#039;t seem to show up, so I&#039;m posting it here. &lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Obama has millions of Jewish supporters and receives millions in Jewish donations for his campaign. His campaign manager is a Jew. Would someone please clue in these Jews that ZOG Headquarters has commanded that Jews support Hilary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My God people, the African-Americans are in lock step on this one and look at you pathetically diverse Jews. Why should anyone be afraid of you people?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Philip - I&#039;m sure AIPAC appreciates you bringing word to your people what their marching orders are. Good job. Sayanim of the Month perhaps?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I want to know is why the MSM has been silent about the incredible order and alignment of the African-American community and the complete disorder of the Jewish community on this election issue. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
My name is Andy Sommers. I&#039;m Jewish. I&#039;m voting for Obama, and I&#039;ve approved this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; I tried posting this in the previous discussion, but it didn&#39;t seem to show up, so I&#39;m posting it here. </p>
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<p>Obama has millions of Jewish supporters and receives millions in Jewish donations for his campaign. His campaign manager is a Jew. Would someone please clue in these Jews that ZOG Headquarters has commanded that Jews support Hilary.</p>
<p>My God people, the African-Americans are in lock step on this one and look at you pathetically diverse Jews. Why should anyone be afraid of you people?</p>
<p>Philip &#8211; I&#39;m sure AIPAC appreciates you bringing word to your people what their marching orders are. Good job. Sayanim of the Month perhaps?</p>
<p>What I want to know is why the MSM has been silent about the incredible order and alignment of the African-American community and the complete disorder of the Jewish community on this election issue. </p>
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My name is Andy Sommers. I&#39;m Jewish. I&#39;m voting for Obama, and I&#39;ve approved this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Oh--but let us talk about Obama&#039;s &quot;very radical&quot; (I think those were Lizza&#039;s words) black preacher all day and night. Qua qua qua. Quack quack quack.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The U.S. civil rights revolution blew the issue of race relations wide open. Discussion of the issue is relatively untrammeled. One can blast Rev. Wright for his ideas, without being suspected or accused of anti-black racism. And that&#039;s as it should be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An equivalent glasnost has never applied to Israel. From the day in 1948 when President Harry Truman recognized Israel within minutes of its founding, up until now, the major decisions on Israel have been taken without democratic debate. When Walt and Mearsheimer attempted to supply the missing side of the story -- the factual case against aid to Israel -- they were savaged as either incompetent or antisemitic, despite their solidly mainstream credentials.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Observing the heavy-handed enforcement of the taboo on candid discussion of Jewish political influence,  African American political figures such as Condi Rice and Barack Obama decline to explore the parallels between past U.S. segregation and present-day Israeli segregation, though they surely recognize them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Years ago, I recall reading an account by a Jewish author in Israel who impersonated an Arab, much as white author John Howard Griffin did when he had his skin pigmented in &quot;Black Like Me&quot; (1961). The Jewish author was shocked not so much by outright hatred, as by being ignored. Once he &quot;went Arab,&quot; other Jews treated him as if he were invisible, sometimes having disrespectful conversations in front of him as if he weren&#039;t there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someday, someone is going to write the English-language book, maybe even in fictional form, that blows the subject of Israeli segregation wide open. South African apartheid created a huge and vivid literature from authors all across the political spectrum, exploring that piquant, highly abnormal society. So did the American South. It&#039;s surprising that Israel&#039;s equally idiosyncratic society has not produced a similar dramatic literature, especially from Israeli Arabs in their &quot;separate but equal&quot; schools. But I&#039;m guessing that breakthrough young author is pecking away on a keyboard even now. Look out ... the pen is mightier than the sword, or the suicide bomber.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;Oh&#8211;but let us talk about Obama&#39;s &quot;very radical&quot; (I think those were Lizza&#39;s words) black preacher all day and night. Qua qua qua. Quack quack quack.&quot;</p>
<p>The U.S. civil rights revolution blew the issue of race relations wide open. Discussion of the issue is relatively untrammeled. One can blast Rev. Wright for his ideas, without being suspected or accused of anti-black racism. And that&#39;s as it should be.</p>
<p>An equivalent glasnost has never applied to Israel. From the day in 1948 when President Harry Truman recognized Israel within minutes of its founding, up until now, the major decisions on Israel have been taken without democratic debate. When Walt and Mearsheimer attempted to supply the missing side of the story &#8212; the factual case against aid to Israel &#8212; they were savaged as either incompetent or antisemitic, despite their solidly mainstream credentials.</p>
<p>Observing the heavy-handed enforcement of the taboo on candid discussion of Jewish political influence,  African American political figures such as Condi Rice and Barack Obama decline to explore the parallels between past U.S. segregation and present-day Israeli segregation, though they surely recognize them.</p>
<p>Years ago, I recall reading an account by a Jewish author in Israel who impersonated an Arab, much as white author John Howard Griffin did when he had his skin pigmented in &quot;Black Like Me&quot; (1961). The Jewish author was shocked not so much by outright hatred, as by being ignored. Once he &quot;went Arab,&quot; other Jews treated him as if he were invisible, sometimes having disrespectful conversations in front of him as if he weren&#39;t there.</p>
<p>Someday, someone is going to write the English-language book, maybe even in fictional form, that blows the subject of Israeli segregation wide open. South African apartheid created a huge and vivid literature from authors all across the political spectrum, exploring that piquant, highly abnormal society. So did the American South. It&#39;s surprising that Israel&#39;s equally idiosyncratic society has not produced a similar dramatic literature, especially from Israeli Arabs in their &quot;separate but equal&quot; schools. But I&#39;m guessing that breakthrough young author is pecking away on a keyboard even now. Look out &#8230; the pen is mightier than the sword, or the suicide bomber.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your journalist friend has a concept of what does or doesn&#039;t count as &quot;acting as Jews&quot; that is so narrow and legalistic as to be pathetic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google-casting for the book Jim H. mentioned above (I vaguely remember it, as well), I came across a review of a book I never heard of, and never even imagined might exist:  Elliot Horowitz&#039;s &quot;Reckless Rites:  Purim and the Legacy of Jewish Violence.&quot;  Published by Princeton University Press, no less.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;While the Megillah’s account of the rivers of blood in which Purim was conceived may have no actual historical basis, its continued recitation has brought many ugly repercussions.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interesting read.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.forward.com/articles/6694/&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google-casting for the book Jim H. mentioned above (I vaguely remember it, as well), I came across a review of a book I never heard of, and never even imagined might exist:  Elliot Horowitz&#39;s &quot;Reckless Rites:  Purim and the Legacy of Jewish Violence.&quot;  Published by Princeton University Press, no less.</p>
<p>&quot;While the Megillah’s account of the rivers of blood in which Purim was conceived may have no actual historical basis, its continued recitation has brought many ugly repercussions.&quot;</p>
<p>Interesting read.</p>
<p>http://www.forward.com/articles/6694/</p>
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		<title>By: Daveg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daveg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, as you point out, Phil is a little imprecise with the term &quot;Jew,&quot; but I guess he feels as a Jew he can be that way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is not &quot;Jews&quot; per se, but actually pro-Israel Jews/Zionists/Likud however you want to label. There are also non-Jewish supporters of Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;W&amp;M called in the Lobby.  Seems to work for me.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It is not &quot;Jews&quot; per se, but actually pro-Israel Jews/Zionists/Likud however you want to label. There are also non-Jewish supporters of Israel.</p>
<p>W&amp;M called in the Lobby.  Seems to work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From the Allan Nadler article in the Forward, linked by Oarwell above:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;When I was a young child in Montreal, my grandfather explained that the mitzvah of &#039;wiping out&#039; Haman’s descendants was best fulfilled by writing the word &#039;Amalek&#039; in Hebrew on the soles of newly purchased shoes and then taking a stroll among our good French neighbors, whom, he assured me, certainly were not Amalekites.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, that certainly beats setting fire to hanging effigies of Haman, in a kind of kosher Klan rally. Nadler notes, pace Horowitz, that &quot;American Jews, repulsed by their country’s deep racism, made manifest most cruelly in the Deep South’s lynching of blacks, had no stomach for the Megillah’s hanging images.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But still ... what would one say about someone who wrote &quot;JEWS&quot; on the soles of their new shoes, just to have the pleasure of treading on them all day?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I rather prefer the legend of Phil&#039;s hetairai. Some wore special shoes with soles that imprinted the message &quot;follow me&quot; (akolouthei) in the sand. Make love, not war.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>From the Allan Nadler article in the Forward, linked by Oarwell above:</p>
<p>&quot;When I was a young child in Montreal, my grandfather explained that the mitzvah of &#39;wiping out&#39; Haman’s descendants was best fulfilled by writing the word &#39;Amalek&#39; in Hebrew on the soles of newly purchased shoes and then taking a stroll among our good French neighbors, whom, he assured me, certainly were not Amalekites.&quot;</p>
<p>Well, that certainly beats setting fire to hanging effigies of Haman, in a kind of kosher Klan rally. Nadler notes, pace Horowitz, that &quot;American Jews, repulsed by their country’s deep racism, made manifest most cruelly in the Deep South’s lynching of blacks, had no stomach for the Megillah’s hanging images.&quot;</p>
<p>But still &#8230; what would one say about someone who wrote &quot;JEWS&quot; on the soles of their new shoes, just to have the pleasure of treading on them all day?</p>
<p>I rather prefer the legend of Phil&#39;s hetairai. Some wore special shoes with soles that imprinted the message &quot;follow me&quot; (akolouthei) in the sand. Make love, not war.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an old (1986) article by Daniel Pipes, of all people, about Israeli segregation. He&#039;s all for it. Excerpt:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Separation in Israel extends to all aspects of life. Jews and Arabs not only live apart; they also worship, work, socialize, and play separately. The same American movie might show simultaneously in two theaters in Jerusalem, playing to a wholly Arab audience in one and to an all-Jewish audience in the other. Arabs tend to vote for Arab politicians, Jews for Jewish ones. This pattern is learned young; with the lone exception of Neveh Shalom, * nowhere in Israel do Arab and Jewish children sit in the same classroom. *&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Arabic-language telephone directory for Jerusalem highlights another aspect of this segregation. Israel&#039;s telephone company does not publish a directory in Arabic, so Arab entrepreneurs have published their own directory for Jerusalem. They omitted all Jewish names and published only Arab names. The assumption behind the omission - that Arabs do not call Jews - implies a great deal about daily life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bus lines are equally revealing. Arabs travel on buses owned and driven by fellow Arabs; Jews use buses owned and staffed by Jews. The two people travel apart whenever possible, even when their routes overlap. Two separate companies, for example, serve the route between Jerusalem and Bethlehem; the one Arabs patronize leaves from a station in East Jerusalem; Jews patronize one that leaves from West Jerusalem. An Arab encounters no difficulties traveling on the Jewish line, nor a Jew on the Arab line, but the two peoples prefer to avoid contact with each other.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As these many examples suggest, the paths of Arabs and Jews cross only when a specific purpose takes one of them to the alien side of the city. When Arab and Jew do encounter each other, they usually pass wordlessly. Physically, they must share a street; mentally, each lives in his own world. At best, each acts as though the other were invisible or nonexistent. At worst, they respond with fear or aggression. When a Jew put on an Arab headdress, carried an Arabic newspaper, and walked in the Jewish part of Jerusalem, he found that &quot;the passers-by stare at me like at a walking bomb.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Separation is a proven way of dealing with an historic challenge. Though not the solution we in the West would prefer, nor by any means an ideal solution, it does work. It offers an authentic, indigenous answer to a characteristic Middle Eastern problem; how two peoples can coexist at close quarters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.danielpipes.org/article/176&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All well and good, Mr. Pipes. So please don&#039;t patronize me by calling Israel -- with its completely segregated schools -- a model democracy, made in the image of the U.S., and represented by entwined U.S. and Israeli flags as in AIPAC&#039;s logo. &quot;Since the inception of Zionism in the 1860s, Jewish-Arab segregation has been the rule,&quot; Pipes says. American Jews were heroes in the civil rights movement. But their activism ends at the water&#039;s edge, when it comes to Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Here&#39;s an old (1986) article by Daniel Pipes, of all people, about Israeli segregation. He&#39;s all for it. Excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Separation in Israel extends to all aspects of life. Jews and Arabs not only live apart; they also worship, work, socialize, and play separately. The same American movie might show simultaneously in two theaters in Jerusalem, playing to a wholly Arab audience in one and to an all-Jewish audience in the other. Arabs tend to vote for Arab politicians, Jews for Jewish ones. This pattern is learned young; with the lone exception of Neveh Shalom, * nowhere in Israel do Arab and Jewish children sit in the same classroom. *</p>
<p>The Arabic-language telephone directory for Jerusalem highlights another aspect of this segregation. Israel&#39;s telephone company does not publish a directory in Arabic, so Arab entrepreneurs have published their own directory for Jerusalem. They omitted all Jewish names and published only Arab names. The assumption behind the omission &#8211; that Arabs do not call Jews &#8211; implies a great deal about daily life.</p>
<p>Bus lines are equally revealing. Arabs travel on buses owned and driven by fellow Arabs; Jews use buses owned and staffed by Jews. The two people travel apart whenever possible, even when their routes overlap. Two separate companies, for example, serve the route between Jerusalem and Bethlehem; the one Arabs patronize leaves from a station in East Jerusalem; Jews patronize one that leaves from West Jerusalem. An Arab encounters no difficulties traveling on the Jewish line, nor a Jew on the Arab line, but the two peoples prefer to avoid contact with each other.</p>
<p>As these many examples suggest, the paths of Arabs and Jews cross only when a specific purpose takes one of them to the alien side of the city. When Arab and Jew do encounter each other, they usually pass wordlessly. Physically, they must share a street; mentally, each lives in his own world. At best, each acts as though the other were invisible or nonexistent. At worst, they respond with fear or aggression. When a Jew put on an Arab headdress, carried an Arabic newspaper, and walked in the Jewish part of Jerusalem, he found that &quot;the passers-by stare at me like at a walking bomb.&quot;</p>
<p>Separation is a proven way of dealing with an historic challenge. Though not the solution we in the West would prefer, nor by any means an ideal solution, it does work. It offers an authentic, indigenous answer to a characteristic Middle Eastern problem; how two peoples can coexist at close quarters.</p>
<p>http://www.danielpipes.org/article/176</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>All well and good, Mr. Pipes. So please don&#39;t patronize me by calling Israel &#8212; with its completely segregated schools &#8212; a model democracy, made in the image of the U.S., and represented by entwined U.S. and Israeli flags as in AIPAC&#39;s logo. &quot;Since the inception of Zionism in the 1860s, Jewish-Arab segregation has been the rule,&quot; Pipes says. American Jews were heroes in the civil rights movement. But their activism ends at the water&#39;s edge, when it comes to Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#039;Phil - I tried posting this in the previous discussion, but it didn&#039;t seem to show up, so I&#039;m posting it here.&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have lost count of the number of times that&#039;s happened to me here. I&#039;m trying not to take it personally.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I have lost count of the number of times that&#39;s happened to me here. I&#39;m trying not to take it personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andy Sommers, hi, I&#039;m an African American woman. I would prefer big jewish donors were not giving to Obama as I want him to deliver on his promises. Bring our guys home from Iraq, stop the Israel-firster foreign policy. I would like to see it made illegal for any individual to give more than $100 to any political campaign or representative. I would like to make it illegal for corporations but more importantly, groups like AIPAC who represent foreign governments from donating money into the political process. There is no reason for jews to be the biggest donors of both parties this in itself is undemocratic because they&#039;re just 2% of the whole population. I do not want a ruling elite and sure not one so aligned to another country. I believe most White Americans agree with me too, that&#039;s why Obama has working and middle class votes.&lt;br /&gt;
We want our country back.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Sommers, hi, I&#39;m an African American woman. I would prefer big jewish donors were not giving to Obama as I want him to deliver on his promises. Bring our guys home from Iraq, stop the Israel-firster foreign policy. I would like to see it made illegal for any individual to give more than $100 to any political campaign or representative. I would like to make it illegal for corporations but more importantly, groups like AIPAC who represent foreign governments from donating money into the political process. There is no reason for jews to be the biggest donors of both parties this in itself is undemocratic because they&#39;re just 2% of the whole population. I do not want a ruling elite and sure not one so aligned to another country. I believe most White Americans agree with me too, that&#39;s why Obama has working and middle class votes.<br />
We want our country back.</p>
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