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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62917</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Iran&#039;s the problem, not Iraq. But, as far as fighting for Israel is concerned, there is no problem.&quot; - Myra Kraft&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ever since someone pointed out the curious ubiquity of Jewish neocons in the Bush administration, pushing war with Iraq, this has been the singsong refrain in the Jewish press:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Iran&#039;s the problem, not Iraq.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So if we finally attack Iran, THEN we can legitimately call it a &quot;War for the Jews.&quot; But I think it&#039;s not worth it, just to score a rhetorical point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although not always enforced, fighting for a foreign military can be a basis for forfeiting American citizenship. Mrs. Kraft ought to read the fine print on her passport. The U.S. one, not the Israeli one.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Iran&#39;s the problem, not Iraq. But, as far as fighting for Israel is concerned, there is no problem.&quot; &#8211; Myra Kraft</p>
<p>Ever since someone pointed out the curious ubiquity of Jewish neocons in the Bush administration, pushing war with Iraq, this has been the singsong refrain in the Jewish press:</p>
<p>&quot;Iran&#39;s the problem, not Iraq.&quot;</p>
<p>So if we finally attack Iran, THEN we can legitimately call it a &quot;War for the Jews.&quot; But I think it&#39;s not worth it, just to score a rhetorical point.</p>
<p>Although not always enforced, fighting for a foreign military can be a basis for forfeiting American citizenship. Mrs. Kraft ought to read the fine print on her passport. The U.S. one, not the Israeli one.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62918</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;If her sons were in the IDF, they would be serving an occupation.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is FALSE. If they were serving in the West Bank or Gaza this statement might be true and in cases, but here you GENERALIZE, and negligently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
She is a private citizen. My cousins (the ones you don&#039;t know) grew up with the Krafts&#039; in Worcester. I don&#039;t know them at all, never met them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As, you said, a private citizen that contributes generously without controlling what her contributions are used for, and responds positively to divisions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If she ignores the effects on Palestinians, perhaps non-judgement non-polemic education would be possible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So quick to judge.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If her sons were in the IDF, they would be serving an occupation.&quot;</p>
<p>This is FALSE. If they were serving in the West Bank or Gaza this statement might be true and in cases, but here you GENERALIZE, and negligently.</p>
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She is a private citizen. My cousins (the ones you don&#39;t know) grew up with the Krafts&#39; in Worcester. I don&#39;t know them at all, never met them.</p>
<p>As, you said, a private citizen that contributes generously without controlling what her contributions are used for, and responds positively to divisions.</p>
<p>If she ignores the effects on Palestinians, perhaps non-judgement non-polemic education would be possible.</p>
<p>So quick to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62919</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The approach of condemnation does NOT change them. If anything, it makes them more recalcitrant. Rather than a dinner guest of Netanyahu (he lived in the states for 15 years after all, educated here), they would become an unequivocal ideological supporter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe they are already.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Their money isn&#039;t going to disappear. They are going to continue to CHOOSE how that money is used.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You want to change their actions, respectfully inform.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The approach of condemnation does NOT change them. If anything, it makes them more recalcitrant. Rather than a dinner guest of Netanyahu (he lived in the states for 15 years after all, educated here), they would become an unequivocal ideological supporter.</p>
<p>Maybe they are already.</p>
<p>Their money isn&#39;t going to disappear. They are going to continue to CHOOSE how that money is used.</p>
<p>You want to change their actions, respectfully inform.</p>
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		<title>By: liberal white boy</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62920</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal white boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder why this anti-Americanism isn&#039;t being discussed on every news channel like a certain preacher. No one should get exemption from their peoples suffering in their commentary should they? Franchise opportunities now available. Ellie Wiesels Drive Through Holocaust Museums and Amusement Parks http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/03/ellie-wiesels-drive-through-holocaust.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why this anti-Americanism isn&#39;t being discussed on every news channel like a certain preacher. No one should get exemption from their peoples suffering in their commentary should they? Franchise opportunities now available. Ellie Wiesels Drive Through Holocaust Museums and Amusement Parks <a href="http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/03/ellie-wiesels-drive-through-holocaust.html</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Krafts&#039; preference for their son to serve in the IDF and not the American military is no different from what Witty expressed on this blog a few months back, after he commented on the moral inferiority of the American military relative to the IDF.  A couple of months back, the Republican Jewish Coalition in Arizona chose to honor a war veteran.  Of course they chose to honor an America soldier who likewise chose to serve in the IDF, not the American military.  How much more unAmerican can you get?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s be candid, these people don&#039;t deserve American citizenship and shouldn&#039;t be voting in American elections.  Israel is their home; they should be required to make Israel their residence.  That might not be happenning in the near future but someday the chickens will come home to roost. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Krafts&#39; preference for their son to serve in the IDF and not the American military is no different from what Witty expressed on this blog a few months back, after he commented on the moral inferiority of the American military relative to the IDF.  A couple of months back, the Republican Jewish Coalition in Arizona chose to honor a war veteran.  Of course they chose to honor an America soldier who likewise chose to serve in the IDF, not the American military.  How much more unAmerican can you get?</p>
<p>Let&#39;s be candid, these people don&#39;t deserve American citizenship and shouldn&#39;t be voting in American elections.  Israel is their home; they should be required to make Israel their residence.  That might not be happenning in the near future but someday the chickens will come home to roost. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do agree with them on that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The current US military involvement in the world is largely offensive in both meanings of the term.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The majority of current Israeli military involvement is genuinely defensive. Not always the way it is carried out, but the origination certainly is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lebanon from Hezbollah shelling and abduction. (That&#039;s how it started, with shelling of civilian town.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hamas shelling civilians in Sderot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It is time to end the occupation, so that roadblocks are someone else&#039;s business, and the borders are borders, not jurisdictions of occupation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, when that occurs, when a border is violated by the action of a militia, and accepted by the Palestinian government, that then becomes a potential act of war.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not a good outcome.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with them on that.</p>
<p>The current US military involvement in the world is largely offensive in both meanings of the term.</p>
<p>The majority of current Israeli military involvement is genuinely defensive. Not always the way it is carried out, but the origination certainly is.</p>
<p>Lebanon from Hezbollah shelling and abduction. (That&#39;s how it started, with shelling of civilian town.)</p>
<p>Hamas shelling civilians in Sderot.</p>
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It is time to end the occupation, so that roadblocks are someone else&#39;s business, and the borders are borders, not jurisdictions of occupation.</p>
<p>But, when that occurs, when a border is violated by the action of a militia, and accepted by the Palestinian government, that then becomes a potential act of war.</p>
<p>Not a good outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Now Ashkelon is in the line of fire, too. It&#039;s coming to a point where something has to be done. But I understand the problem of Gaza&#039;s being so tightly packed that going in there with soldiers will have to be done very carefully, because of world opinion.&quot; - Myra Kraft&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t there something about la-di-da Myra Kraft which reminds us of Leona Helmsley, the &quot;Queen of Mean&quot;? I&#039;m talking about the way Myra flits back and forth from New York to Tel Aviv on her husband&#039;s private jet (bought partly with public subsidies for his Patriots stadium), hobnobs with the elite, and cavalierly suggests that &quot;something has to be done&quot; about those deplorable Gazans, packed like vermin into their cramped little nest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It recalls a dinner party I attended in the swanky Johannesburg suburb of Sandton, &quot;Africa&#039;s richest square mile.&quot; The house was protected by armed- response security, as all of them are. Guests lamented the violent criminal tendencies of the Africans, &quot;packed&quot; into the teaming black suburb of Alexandra nearby. Something would have to be done, they reckoned. Israelis, like apartheid-era South Africans, prefer to keep their central cities pure, and park the second-class citizens in distant outposts from which they must commute in to work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Myra Kraft seems intellectually incapable of drawing an analogy between the Gazan ghetto and the Warsaw ghetto, even if only to reject it. The ideology of zionism has blinded her.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s the ultimate irony: despite the supposed 15-point Jewish IQ advantage, the tribal meme of zionism has interfered with the objective application of this intelligence to the subject of Israel. All of the reasoning toward Israel is subjective, emotional, irrational. Evidently, the tribal gene has trumped the intelligence gene, and not for the first time. Zionism is a social disease which spreads by intellectual contagion. The old IBM slogan supplies the antidote: THINK!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The majority of current Israeli military involvement is genuinely defensive.&quot; Oh gawd, Richard, you made me spit coffee onto the computer screen. Thanks for the laugh, bro! ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;Now Ashkelon is in the line of fire, too. It&#39;s coming to a point where something has to be done. But I understand the problem of Gaza&#39;s being so tightly packed that going in there with soldiers will have to be done very carefully, because of world opinion.&quot; &#8211; Myra Kraft</p>
<p>Isn&#39;t there something about la-di-da Myra Kraft which reminds us of Leona Helmsley, the &quot;Queen of Mean&quot;? I&#39;m talking about the way Myra flits back and forth from New York to Tel Aviv on her husband&#39;s private jet (bought partly with public subsidies for his Patriots stadium), hobnobs with the elite, and cavalierly suggests that &quot;something has to be done&quot; about those deplorable Gazans, packed like vermin into their cramped little nest.</p>
<p>It recalls a dinner party I attended in the swanky Johannesburg suburb of Sandton, &quot;Africa&#39;s richest square mile.&quot; The house was protected by armed- response security, as all of them are. Guests lamented the violent criminal tendencies of the Africans, &quot;packed&quot; into the teaming black suburb of Alexandra nearby. Something would have to be done, they reckoned. Israelis, like apartheid-era South Africans, prefer to keep their central cities pure, and park the second-class citizens in distant outposts from which they must commute in to work.</p>
<p>Myra Kraft seems intellectually incapable of drawing an analogy between the Gazan ghetto and the Warsaw ghetto, even if only to reject it. The ideology of zionism has blinded her.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s the ultimate irony: despite the supposed 15-point Jewish IQ advantage, the tribal meme of zionism has interfered with the objective application of this intelligence to the subject of Israel. All of the reasoning toward Israel is subjective, emotional, irrational. Evidently, the tribal gene has trumped the intelligence gene, and not for the first time. Zionism is a social disease which spreads by intellectual contagion. The old IBM slogan supplies the antidote: THINK!</p>
<p>&quot;The majority of current Israeli military involvement is genuinely defensive.&quot; Oh gawd, Richard, you made me spit coffee onto the computer screen. Thanks for the laugh, bro! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The internationally recognized border is the Green Line which is violated by the IDF and &quot;settlers&quot; every day for the last 41 years - not the least bit defensive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Witty is ridiculous.  He chatters about context while ignoring the Israeli version of Lebensraum, the essence of which is a mode of terror imposed upon Palestineans.  Shouldn&#039;t a more balanced point of view be that the perpetrators get what they deserve?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internationally recognized border is the Green Line which is violated by the IDF and &quot;settlers&quot; every day for the last 41 years &#8211; not the least bit defensive.</p>
<p>Witty is ridiculous.  He chatters about context while ignoring the Israeli version of Lebensraum, the essence of which is a mode of terror imposed upon Palestineans.  Shouldn&#39;t a more balanced point of view be that the perpetrators get what they deserve?</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked.html/comment-page-1#comment-62925</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the standards that make the IRG a terrorist organization, the IDF is even more a terrorist organization.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the law were enforced the same for Jews as it is for non-Jews, the Krafts would be under arrest for giving material aid to terrorism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They would be subjected to interrogation according to Dershowitzian principles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And all their assets would be seized.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the standards that make the IRG a terrorist organization, the IDF is even more a terrorist organization.</p>
<p>If the law were enforced the same for Jews as it is for non-Jews, the Krafts would be under arrest for giving material aid to terrorism.</p>
<p>They would be subjected to interrogation according to Dershowitzian principles.</p>
<p>And all their assets would be seized.</p>
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		<title>By: Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just appalling-- this country is in such a pickle. And for Richard Witty, you should be ashamed of yourself for not seeing how the rest of us plebes feel about such comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not to mention the irony that she and her husband own a football team called the Patriots.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With a ruling elite like this, who needs enemies?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just appalling&#8211; this country is in such a pickle. And for Richard Witty, you should be ashamed of yourself for not seeing how the rest of us plebes feel about such comments.</p>
<p>Not to mention the irony that she and her husband own a football team called the Patriots.</p>
<p>With a ruling elite like this, who needs enemies?</p>
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