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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/daniel-kurtzer.html/comment-page-1#comment-62000</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just a heads up : next week Israel and the US admin. will put out a coordinated dossier full of lies about syria&#039;s supposed nuclear installation. You will not find reputable specialists like david Albright endorsing these claims, in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a heads up : next week Israel and the US admin. will put out a coordinated dossier full of lies about syria&#39;s supposed nuclear installation. You will not find reputable specialists like david Albright endorsing these claims, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/daniel-kurtzer.html/comment-page-1#comment-62001</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is an interesting development of the old pre-internet method of planting stories in the foreign press and then re-importing them : the  people behind world war three have realised that post-internet this is not good enough, and are orchestrating something much more elaborate, involving semi-official spokesmen, which will combine a sort of deniability with a sort of officiality.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting development of the old pre-internet method of planting stories in the foreign press and then re-importing them : the  people behind world war three have realised that post-internet this is not good enough, and are orchestrating something much more elaborate, involving semi-official spokesmen, which will combine a sort of deniability with a sort of officiality.</p>
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		<title>By: neocognitism</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/daniel-kurtzer.html/comment-page-1#comment-62002</link>
		<dc:creator>neocognitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I came across a blog entry today that is almost unique in my experience, in how it openly discusses the dual loyalties question, while being part of a very mainstream blog, Talking Points Memo.  I thought you might be interested.  It&#039;s short.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/israeli-or-american-its-anyone.php&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I came across a blog entry today that is almost unique in my experience, in how it openly discusses the dual loyalties question, while being part of a very mainstream blog, Talking Points Memo.  I thought you might be interested.  It&#39;s short.</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/israeli-or-american-its-anyone.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/israeli-or-american-its-anyone.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: hlmeankin</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/daniel-kurtzer.html/comment-page-1#comment-62003</link>
		<dc:creator>hlmeankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that a propsal for a new course in American policy in the Mideast has to be &quot;coded&quot;,speaks volumes about the power of the Jewish Lobby. Could it possibly be that the obvious fact that Jewish billionires wield enormous power over the workings of both the Dem and the Repubs has anything to do with this? I think it does. And the facts concerning political donations to the candidates as well as the party infrastructures confirm this. Suppose Obama is elected and wants to make changes in our policy towards Israel. If it goes counter to what Saban and other rich Jewish donors want,does he risk the  witholding of monies for democratic candidates in 2010? Isn&#039;t this what the infamous letter sent to Nancy Pelosi suggests? And if these donors switch to the Republican Party, what happens to possibility of executing a new Mideast Policy,one more just for the Palestinians?&lt;br /&gt;
Does someone want to argue that the sum of all the &quot;little people&#039;s&quot; contributions can offset this threat? As the old saying goes, &quot;facts are stubborn things&quot;,and at the end of the day much more important than pious wishes.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that a propsal for a new course in American policy in the Mideast has to be &quot;coded&quot;,speaks volumes about the power of the Jewish Lobby. Could it possibly be that the obvious fact that Jewish billionires wield enormous power over the workings of both the Dem and the Repubs has anything to do with this? I think it does. And the facts concerning political donations to the candidates as well as the party infrastructures confirm this. Suppose Obama is elected and wants to make changes in our policy towards Israel. If it goes counter to what Saban and other rich Jewish donors want,does he risk the  witholding of monies for democratic candidates in 2010? Isn&#39;t this what the infamous letter sent to Nancy Pelosi suggests? And if these donors switch to the Republican Party, what happens to possibility of executing a new Mideast Policy,one more just for the Palestinians?<br />
Does someone want to argue that the sum of all the &quot;little people&#39;s&quot; contributions can offset this threat? As the old saying goes, &quot;facts are stubborn things&quot;,and at the end of the day much more important than pious wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Arie Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arie Brand</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot; ... before the Middle East goes up in flames again.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Paul Craig Roberts wrote yesterday:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;April 5, 2008. Today the London Telegraph reported that &quot;British officials gave warning yesterday that America&#039;s commander in Iraq will declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government. A strong statement from General David Petraeus about Iran&#039;s intervention in Iraq could set the stage for a US attack on Iranian militiary facilities, according to a Whitehall assessment.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The neocon lacky Petraeus has had his script written for him by Cheney, and Petraeus together with neocon warmonger Ryan Crocker, the US governor of the Green Zone in Baghdad, will present Congress next Tuesday and Wednesday with the lies, for which the road has been well paved by neocon propagandists such as Kimberly Kagan, that &quot;the US must recognize that Iran is engaged in a full-up proxy war against it in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t expect Congress to do anything except to egg on the attack. On April 3 the International Herald Tribune reported that senators and representatives have made millions of dollars from their investments in defense companies totaling $196 million. Rep. Ike Skelton, the Democrat chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is already on board with the attack on Iran. The London Telegraph quotes Skelton: &quot;Iran is the bull in the china shop. In all of this, they seem to have links to all of the Shi&#039;ite groups, whether they be political or military.&quot; Etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts04052008.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; &#8230; before the Middle East goes up in flames again.&quot; </p>
<p>
Paul Craig Roberts wrote yesterday:</p>
<p>&quot;April 5, 2008. Today the London Telegraph reported that &quot;British officials gave warning yesterday that America&#39;s commander in Iraq will declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government. A strong statement from General David Petraeus about Iran&#39;s intervention in Iraq could set the stage for a US attack on Iranian militiary facilities, according to a Whitehall assessment.&quot; </p>
<p>The neocon lacky Petraeus has had his script written for him by Cheney, and Petraeus together with neocon warmonger Ryan Crocker, the US governor of the Green Zone in Baghdad, will present Congress next Tuesday and Wednesday with the lies, for which the road has been well paved by neocon propagandists such as Kimberly Kagan, that &quot;the US must recognize that Iran is engaged in a full-up proxy war against it in Iraq.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t expect Congress to do anything except to egg on the attack. On April 3 the International Herald Tribune reported that senators and representatives have made millions of dollars from their investments in defense companies totaling $196 million. Rep. Ike Skelton, the Democrat chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is already on board with the attack on Iran. The London Telegraph quotes Skelton: &quot;Iran is the bull in the china shop. In all of this, they seem to have links to all of the Shi&#39;ite groups, whether they be political or military.&quot; Etc.</p>
<p>See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts04052008.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts04052008.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: murgh masala tikka</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/daniel-kurtzer.html/comment-page-1#comment-62005</link>
		<dc:creator>murgh masala tikka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why &quot;in dulcet tones, and a little Arabism&quot; ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and let these pukes, who after all have connived and conspired to organize genocide against the Palestinians for decades, get away scot-free ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the best medicine is ones own, thinks me, but that would perhaps be a bit too harsh, just as &quot;dolcetto tones&quot; are way too lenient. a middle way, like disenfranchising them wholesale, would be better suited to put an end to the horror in the ME once and for all times.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why &quot;in dulcet tones, and a little Arabism&quot; ?</p>
<p>and let these pukes, who after all have connived and conspired to organize genocide against the Palestinians for decades, get away scot-free ?</p>
<p>the best medicine is ones own, thinks me, but that would perhaps be a bit too harsh, just as &quot;dolcetto tones&quot; are way too lenient. a middle way, like disenfranchising them wholesale, would be better suited to put an end to the horror in the ME once and for all times.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;br /&gt;
Why all the war metaphors? &quot;Coded ASSAULT&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
Why all the war metaphors? &quot;Coded ASSAULT&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I liked the end of your post &quot;I&#039;ll take it&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think its better to promote an alternative means to promote alternative policy, than to remain loyal to a flawed message.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the end of your post &quot;I&#39;ll take it&quot;.</p>
<p>I think its better to promote an alternative means to promote alternative policy, than to remain loyal to a flawed message.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Addressing asymmetries in the peace process--as this book has advocated--does not mean tilting away from Israel.&quot; Well actually, it does. - Phil&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OMG, how can one be an honest broker, while remaining openly tilted toward one of the parties? It&#039;s like the mediator in a divorce case announcing, &quot;I&#039;m a lifelong friend of your wife&#039;s, but I&#039;m gonna be fair to you too, little buddy.&quot; Yeah, right; can I keep my left testicle?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Haven&#039;t read the book, but the &quot;Ten Lessons to Guide Arab-Israeli Peacemaking&quot; posted there gives a good flavor of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.usip.org/newsmedia/lasensky_kurtzer_press/top_ten.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This ethereal little ukase should be titled &quot;Mirage of the Technocrats&quot; -- every single point concerns U.S. domestic policy. In their pre-Copernican cosmography, America is the center of the universe. Exempli gratia: &quot;Use the diplomatic toolbox judiciously and pay close attention to developments on the ground.&quot; Kurtzer and Lasensky sound like feckless yob trainspotters, skulking round the marshalling yard in greasy anoraks, poor sods, clutching spanners and oilcans to minister to dragging brakes and squeaky bearings. Let&#039;s get this peace train back on the tracks, they plead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What would Kurtzer and Lasensky do, confronted with a cunning foot-dragger such as Dov Weisglas, who&#039;s proclaimed that peace will be made &quot;when Palestine becomes Finland&quot;? Scrappy little Israel would run rings around them; this is not tiddly-winks at a State Department tea party.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Bush-Baker skirmish of 1991 probably was the sole instance in forty years when the U.S. actually, briefly, withheld funding from Israel (of supplemental loan guarantees, not its guaranteed $3 billion a year spoiled-child allowance). This is the ONLY mechanism which will show Israel that the U.S. means business about stopping those settlements. Saying that &quot;some domestic advocates for Israel were unnecessarily alienated&quot; is a rose-tinted rationalization: it WAS, and IS, necessary to alienate them, because their stance on funding is &quot;Israel, right or wrong.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Only when Kurtzer&#039;s dulcet tones are met with Six Gun Richard Witty summoning his inner rage to call him a &quot;puke&quot; will Kurtzer understand that in this armed bun fight, the Lobby will take no prisoners.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;Addressing asymmetries in the peace process&#8211;as this book has advocated&#8211;does not mean tilting away from Israel.&quot; Well actually, it does. &#8211; Phil</p>
<p>OMG, how can one be an honest broker, while remaining openly tilted toward one of the parties? It&#39;s like the mediator in a divorce case announcing, &quot;I&#39;m a lifelong friend of your wife&#39;s, but I&#39;m gonna be fair to you too, little buddy.&quot; Yeah, right; can I keep my left testicle?</p>
<p>Haven&#39;t read the book, but the &quot;Ten Lessons to Guide Arab-Israeli Peacemaking&quot; posted there gives a good flavor of it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usip.org/newsmedia/lasensky_kurtzer_press/top_ten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usip.org/newsmedia/lasensky_kurtzer_press/top_ten.html</a></p>
<p>This ethereal little ukase should be titled &quot;Mirage of the Technocrats&quot; &#8212; every single point concerns U.S. domestic policy. In their pre-Copernican cosmography, America is the center of the universe. Exempli gratia: &quot;Use the diplomatic toolbox judiciously and pay close attention to developments on the ground.&quot; Kurtzer and Lasensky sound like feckless yob trainspotters, skulking round the marshalling yard in greasy anoraks, poor sods, clutching spanners and oilcans to minister to dragging brakes and squeaky bearings. Let&#39;s get this peace train back on the tracks, they plead.</p>
<p>What would Kurtzer and Lasensky do, confronted with a cunning foot-dragger such as Dov Weisglas, who&#39;s proclaimed that peace will be made &quot;when Palestine becomes Finland&quot;? Scrappy little Israel would run rings around them; this is not tiddly-winks at a State Department tea party.</p>
<p>The Bush-Baker skirmish of 1991 probably was the sole instance in forty years when the U.S. actually, briefly, withheld funding from Israel (of supplemental loan guarantees, not its guaranteed $3 billion a year spoiled-child allowance). This is the ONLY mechanism which will show Israel that the U.S. means business about stopping those settlements. Saying that &quot;some domestic advocates for Israel were unnecessarily alienated&quot; is a rose-tinted rationalization: it WAS, and IS, necessary to alienate them, because their stance on funding is &quot;Israel, right or wrong.&quot;</p>
<p>Only when Kurtzer&#39;s dulcet tones are met with Six Gun Richard Witty summoning his inner rage to call him a &quot;puke&quot; will Kurtzer understand that in this armed bun fight, the Lobby will take no prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Raw Story have the video of the creepy crawly evangelical fascists behind the white house :&lt;br /&gt;
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NBC_Secretive_DC_prayer_group_has_0405.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raw Story have the video of the creepy crawly evangelical fascists behind the white house :<br />
<a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NBC_Secretive_DC_prayer_group_has_0405.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NBC_Secretive_DC_prayer_group_has_0405.html</a></p>
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