Comments on: Dennis Ross Says American Jews Must Be Obedient to Israeli Politics http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:31:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: jonathan ekman http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61502 jonathan ekman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61502 <p>If this new lobby does indeed provide an<br /> alternative to the position of AIPAC (and<br /> I must confess to being skeptical), what is<br /> the likelihood that its message will be<br /> promulgated in the MSM or given an<br /> audience in the corridors of power?</p> If this new lobby does indeed provide an
alternative to the position of AIPAC (and
I must confess to being skeptical), what is
the likelihood that its message will be
promulgated in the MSM or given an
audience in the corridors of power?

]]> By: The Other Alan http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61503 The Other Alan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61503 <p>Let's not forget that Dennis Ross is also the chairman of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute. It mission statement says "JPPPI's work is based on deep commitment to the future of the Jewish people with Israel as its core state." I find it the height of distortion when Ross is rolled out as some sort of mediating figure and US ambassador, when in fact he is so far in the Zionist camp.</p> <p>http://www.jpppi.org.il/</p> Let's not forget that Dennis Ross is also the chairman of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute. It mission statement says "JPPPI's work is based on deep commitment to the future of the Jewish people with Israel as its core state." I find it the height of distortion when Ross is rolled out as some sort of mediating figure and US ambassador, when in fact he is so far in the Zionist camp.

http://www.jpppi.org.il/

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61504 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61504 <p>"Ross is saying that American Jewish activists must reflect the politics of the Israeli status quo."</p> <p>Is he saying that in fact, or are you reading into it?</p> <p>Or, is he saying that in order to actually make change, rather than just talk change, it takes coalition building enough to constitute a majority, and that in order to do that, it takes learning of the multiple concerns that are relevant, including issues of security.</p> <p>Security issues are not far from Israelis minds, even as we imagine that they should be.</p> <p>But, there are alternative approaches that can map out improved security AND improved relations at the same time.</p> <p>J Street.</p> "Ross is saying that American Jewish activists must reflect the politics of the Israeli status quo."

Is he saying that in fact, or are you reading into it?

Or, is he saying that in order to actually make change, rather than just talk change, it takes coalition building enough to constitute a majority, and that in order to do that, it takes learning of the multiple concerns that are relevant, including issues of security.

Security issues are not far from Israelis minds, even as we imagine that they should be.

But, there are alternative approaches that can map out improved security AND improved relations at the same time.

J Street.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61505 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61505 <p>.</p> <p>Hmmm, NPR and the WaPo covering J Street on the same day? It's either good PR by J St., or else the MSM has decided to grant them their 15 minutes of fame, then bury them.</p> <p>Not to rain on their parade, but the premise of J Street -- making campaign contributions as a carrot for more balanced behavior from Congress -- is preposterous. No original thinking comes from Congress. The sole pertinent question is whether J Street is willing to advocate for a reduction of U.S. funding as a lever over Israel. Everything they've said to date hints that they aren't.</p> <p>J Street and AIPAC will end up being like the Democratic and Republican parties -- two different flavors of the same core policies. </p> <p>*sigh*</p> <p>Might as well roll another J ... </p> .

Hmmm, NPR and the WaPo covering J Street on the same day? It's either good PR by J St., or else the MSM has decided to grant them their 15 minutes of fame, then bury them.

Not to rain on their parade, but the premise of J Street — making campaign contributions as a carrot for more balanced behavior from Congress — is preposterous. No original thinking comes from Congress. The sole pertinent question is whether J Street is willing to advocate for a reduction of U.S. funding as a lever over Israel. Everything they've said to date hints that they aren't.

J Street and AIPAC will end up being like the Democratic and Republican parties — two different flavors of the same core policies.

*sigh*

Might as well roll another J …

]]> By: bondo http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61506 bondo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61506 <p>dennis ross is dennis ross as dennis ross has always been - israel first. no dual loyalty for him and his sort. one loyalty - israel. usa is to be controlled to serve jewry/israel.</p> dennis ross is dennis ross as dennis ross has always been – israel first. no dual loyalty for him and his sort. one loyalty – israel. usa is to be controlled to serve jewry/israel.

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61507 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61507 <p>I will send money to J Street if I see them display some balls vis-a-vis AIPAC and reflect AMERICAN Jewish values. In fact, I will set up my credit card for monthly support. But I have to see that they dont get hijacked by the likes of the Dennis Rosses of the world first. I want to make sure that they aren't cowered.</p> <p>So if anyone from J Street is reading this, let's see you flex your independent muscles, and I wish you great good luck.</p> I will send money to J Street if I see them display some balls vis-a-vis AIPAC and reflect AMERICAN Jewish values. In fact, I will set up my credit card for monthly support. But I have to see that they dont get hijacked by the likes of the Dennis Rosses of the world first. I want to make sure that they aren't cowered.

So if anyone from J Street is reading this, let's see you flex your independent muscles, and I wish you great good luck.

]]> By: bondo http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61508 bondo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61508 <p>"reflect AMERICAN Jewish values"</p> <p>what are those values?</p> <p>those from meyer lansky and his mafia?<br /> brandeis and his israel?<br /> boesky, milkin, heir, sarnoff, paley, "exodus" creators, the rostoe bros of vietnam fame, kissinger,goldi meir?</p> <p>the money laundering rabbis of nyc?</p> <p>which jews, what values?</p> "reflect AMERICAN Jewish values"

what are those values?

those from meyer lansky and his mafia?
brandeis and his israel?
boesky, milkin, heir, sarnoff, paley, "exodus" creators, the rostoe bros of vietnam fame, kissinger,goldi meir?

the money laundering rabbis of nyc?

which jews, what values?

]]> By: bondo http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61509 bondo Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61509 <p>J street scam. these deceivers are moral unlike those deceivers.</p> J street scam. these deceivers are moral unlike those deceivers.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61510 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61510 <p>The J Street web pages stresses that continued foreign aid to Israel is their anchor. No tough love there. Gonna fight AIPAC as to which carrot to offer the brat? </p> The J Street web pages stresses that continued foreign aid to Israel is their anchor. No tough love there. Gonna fight AIPAC as to which carrot to offer the brat?

]]> By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/dennis-ross-say.html/comment-page-1#comment-61511 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/15/dennis-ross-say.html#comment-61511 <p>Sounds like a BS shell game to me. Israel and Jews are still the main focus, so the interests of the majority of Americans will still take the backseat. I guess we should still feel grateful for the alternative.</p> Sounds like a BS shell game to me. Israel and Jews are still the main focus, so the interests of the majority of Americans will still take the backseat. I guess we should still feel grateful for the alternative.

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