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	<title>Comments on: General Election Will Feature Rev. Wright vs. Rev. Hagee on Palestinian Rights. Hallelujah!</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Ochs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ochs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems like, as is usually the case, it&#039;s going to take a few hours for Phil&#039;s raging hard-on to let up. Later today he&#039;ll say &quot;I may have been too passionate&quot; or, &quot;perhaps I exaggerated.&quot; Anytime he gets the sense that Jews are fighting (or better yet, being murdered by Arabs) he goes into an unhinged &quot;I told you so&quot; mode. His belief in redemption through in-fighting is paralleled only by those on the Christian Right. In a strange way, that Phil is--a first century Christian convinced that he shouldn&#039;t bother having sex anymore become the Messiah is coming TOMORROW!&lt;br /&gt;
Phil has very little tangible connection to Jews in America, or non-Jews in America, or elsewhere for that matter, save the trust-fund elite of area code 914. Yet Jews, average American and Israeli Jews, are his obsession. Perhaps if he talked to Jews, Israelis,or Americans, he&#039;d find that all groups overwhelmingly support Israel. The latest Pew poll shows that trend among Americans INCREASING! &lt;br /&gt;
And maybe Phil&#039;s right--this will be THE issue in the Fall election. I seriously doubt it--but if so then by all means let&#039;s go to it Phil, the fat&#039;s in the fire as you would have it. I hope you&#039;ll join me in hoping that the winner have mercy on the loser. That is, after all, the American way.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like, as is usually the case, it&#39;s going to take a few hours for Phil&#39;s raging hard-on to let up. Later today he&#39;ll say &quot;I may have been too passionate&quot; or, &quot;perhaps I exaggerated.&quot; Anytime he gets the sense that Jews are fighting (or better yet, being murdered by Arabs) he goes into an unhinged &quot;I told you so&quot; mode. His belief in redemption through in-fighting is paralleled only by those on the Christian Right. In a strange way, that Phil is&#8211;a first century Christian convinced that he shouldn&#39;t bother having sex anymore become the Messiah is coming TOMORROW!<br />
Phil has very little tangible connection to Jews in America, or non-Jews in America, or elsewhere for that matter, save the trust-fund elite of area code 914. Yet Jews, average American and Israeli Jews, are his obsession. Perhaps if he talked to Jews, Israelis,or Americans, he&#39;d find that all groups overwhelmingly support Israel. The latest Pew poll shows that trend among Americans INCREASING! <br />
And maybe Phil&#39;s right&#8211;this will be THE issue in the Fall election. I seriously doubt it&#8211;but if so then by all means let&#39;s go to it Phil, the fat&#39;s in the fire as you would have it. I hope you&#39;ll join me in hoping that the winner have mercy on the loser. That is, after all, the American way.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we&#039;ll see if i retract this one; though i&#039;d insist even in my state of morning arousal that i predict that it will be a BIG issue of the campaign or an EXPLICIT issue, not THE issue of the campaign (except for me, of course; and yes Michael, I&#039;m the only one who thinks about this)  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we&#39;ll see if i retract this one; though i&#39;d insist even in my state of morning arousal that i predict that it will be a BIG issue of the campaign or an EXPLICIT issue, not THE issue of the campaign (except for me, of course; and yes Michael, I&#39;m the only one who thinks about this)  </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Today&#039;s Times prints a letter supporting Hagee from several leaders of the Daughters of the American Revolution -- sorry, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations --&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;AH HA HA HA ... the rapier wit draws blood! No wonder Ochs is ranting about the &quot;trust fund elite of area code 914&quot; (which is pretty damned funny too, as is the delusion that more and more Americans support Israel).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A majority of Americans support Israel because they pay income taxes at gunpoint. Change Israel aid to an optional checkoff -- like the presidential election public funding checkoff -- and you&#039;d get an overwhelming participation of about, ohhh, 2 percent. LOL!&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;Today&#39;s Times prints a letter supporting Hagee from several leaders of the Daughters of the American Revolution &#8212; sorry, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations &#8211;&quot;</p>
<p>AH HA HA HA &#8230; the rapier wit draws blood! No wonder Ochs is ranting about the &quot;trust fund elite of area code 914&quot; (which is pretty damned funny too, as is the delusion that more and more Americans support Israel).</p>
<p>A majority of Americans support Israel because they pay income taxes at gunpoint. Change Israel aid to an optional checkoff &#8212; like the presidential election public funding checkoff &#8212; and you&#39;d get an overwhelming participation of about, ohhh, 2 percent. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who gets asked these poll questions? I&#039;ve never known a single soul who received such a poll. Imagine a poll result from Goebbels&#039;s Germany. Or Stalin&#039;s Russia. It&#039;s hardly different here in the USA. The difference is, Americans could actually find out&lt;br /&gt;
more than Paul Newman acting in the old Exodus flick, but they simply don&#039;t care. They are just economic and cannon fodder, and I&#039;d be annoyed except I got to go shop at the mall.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who gets asked these poll questions? I&#39;ve never known a single soul who received such a poll. Imagine a poll result from Goebbels&#39;s Germany. Or Stalin&#39;s Russia. It&#39;s hardly different here in the USA. The difference is, Americans could actually find out<br />
more than Paul Newman acting in the old Exodus flick, but they simply don&#39;t care. They are just economic and cannon fodder, and I&#39;d be annoyed except I got to go shop at the mall.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan ekman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan ekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Will most Americans be aware that (if Richard Silverstein&#039;s Guardian blog is correct) Israel is buying oil from the hated&lt;br /&gt;
Iranians (via Europe), while almost all the&lt;br /&gt;
most bellicose voices in this country for&lt;br /&gt;
confrontation with Iran are Jewish?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will most Americans be aware that (if Richard Silverstein&#39;s Guardian blog is correct) Israel is buying oil from the hated<br />
Iranians (via Europe), while almost all the<br />
most bellicose voices in this country for<br />
confrontation with Iran are Jewish?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, they won&#039;t. A boycott is easily circumvented, especially when&lt;br /&gt;
most Americans  don&#039;t care. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to Wright (Obama) or Hagee (McCain), given Obama&#039;s far lefty credentials and physical features (he does live in his own body after all), and Hagee&#039;s extreme right wing Israel credentials, this is certainly a litmus test for every American Jew. What&#039;s good for the Jews? Obama since in diversity we conquer, prevent any future Nazi America, a program on-going since the 1965 Immigration Act, or McCain, with Lieberman at his side--yet McCain is an American Firster, a nationalist--he just might rebel against AIPAC vision at some point before he has a heart attack...  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.ariarmstrong.com/2008/03/wright-vs-hagee-pick-your-crazy.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And for goy America? Gee, that&#039;s a toughie too. Let&#039;s see, most of goy America never even thinks about the I-P conflict, so will they, parting from their shopping at the mall on what&#039;s left of their credit, vote for Obama just to show they aren&#039;t racists, or will they vote for McCain, just to show the r/w/b flag is real to them? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Could go either way, white guilt is embedded almost as much as it is in Germany. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t believe most Americans have connected the dots between&lt;br /&gt;
the cost of the Iraq War and our economy. Yet the economy is something that directly affects all Americans. Since most Americans are poor, this is a negative for McCain, a feeder at the trough from day one. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So the tip goes to Obama. The affirmative action model par excellence. (Oops, will too many see this?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they won&#39;t. A boycott is easily circumvented, especially when<br />
most Americans  don&#39;t care. </p>
<p>As to Wright (Obama) or Hagee (McCain), given Obama&#39;s far lefty credentials and physical features (he does live in his own body after all), and Hagee&#39;s extreme right wing Israel credentials, this is certainly a litmus test for every American Jew. What&#39;s good for the Jews? Obama since in diversity we conquer, prevent any future Nazi America, a program on-going since the 1965 Immigration Act, or McCain, with Lieberman at his side&#8211;yet McCain is an American Firster, a nationalist&#8211;he just might rebel against AIPAC vision at some point before he has a heart attack&#8230;  </p>
<p>http://www.ariarmstrong.com/2008/03/wright-vs-hagee-pick-your-crazy.html</p>
<p>And for goy America? Gee, that&#39;s a toughie too. Let&#39;s see, most of goy America never even thinks about the I-P conflict, so will they, parting from their shopping at the mall on what&#39;s left of their credit, vote for Obama just to show they aren&#39;t racists, or will they vote for McCain, just to show the r/w/b flag is real to them? </p>
<p>Could go either way, white guilt is embedded almost as much as it is in Germany. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t believe most Americans have connected the dots between<br />
the cost of the Iraq War and our economy. Yet the economy is something that directly affects all Americans. Since most Americans are poor, this is a negative for McCain, a feeder at the trough from day one. </p>
<p>So the tip goes to Obama. The affirmative action model par excellence. (Oops, will too many see this?&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are these wealthy Jewish Zionists merely endorsing Hagee&#039;s Zionism, or are they also endorsing his anti-Catholicism and his statist Bush-Christian warmongering? I say the latter. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A political, social and religious war is coming to America. I wouldn&#039;t want to be on the side of the Zionists.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these wealthy Jewish Zionists merely endorsing Hagee&#39;s Zionism, or are they also endorsing his anti-Catholicism and his statist Bush-Christian warmongering? I say the latter. </p>
<p>A political, social and religious war is coming to America. I wouldn&#39;t want to be on the side of the Zionists.</p>
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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is real polling data that shows majority support for Israel in the US.  It is not strong support though.  This is not the basis of Israeli support in the US as we all know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But in the last 5 years support for Israel has weakened considerably among one very important group.  These are academics, writers, business leaders and many others in the professional classes.  I know this not from polling but from stirrings that are becoming visible among many who in the past would never discuss Israel in public.  Phil is correct -- there is a change occurring. He is being overly optimistic to think that we will see that change in the coming presidential campaign but we will probably see this change in the kinds of articles that the MSM is willing to publish.  Perhaps someone like Amira Hess in the NYT in a few years!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is real polling data that shows majority support for Israel in the US.  It is not strong support though.  This is not the basis of Israeli support in the US as we all know.</p>
<p>But in the last 5 years support for Israel has weakened considerably among one very important group.  These are academics, writers, business leaders and many others in the professional classes.  I know this not from polling but from stirrings that are becoming visible among many who in the past would never discuss Israel in public.  Phil is correct &#8212; there is a change occurring. He is being overly optimistic to think that we will see that change in the coming presidential campaign but we will probably see this change in the kinds of articles that the MSM is willing to publish.  Perhaps someone like Amira Hess in the NYT in a few years!</p>
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		<title>By: benjoya</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i guess ochs, who knows all, hasn&#039;t spoken to the &gt; 60% of israelis who want to negotiate with hamas. putz.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess ochs, who knows all, hasn&#39;t spoken to the &gt; 60% of israelis who want to negotiate with hamas. putz.</p>
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		<title>By: benjoya</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/general-electio.html/comment-page-1#comment-61774</link>
		<dc:creator>benjoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;here&#039;s a link:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/958473.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#39;s a link:<br />
<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/958473.html</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to haaretz.com</a></p>
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