God bless Al-Jazeera for airing a debate between two Americans that would never take place on American television: John J. Mearsheimer and Norman G. Finkelstein dispute the question, Was Israel’s security a motivator of the Iraq war?
Nay, said Finkelstein. "Look at the mechanics of decision-making… Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld are… firmly entrenched in the U.S. ruling elite." Those guys would never knowingly serve the interests of a foreign power. Furthermore, Cheney and Rumsfeld had known many of the Jewish neoconservatives for many years, and no one would say that C & R are "gullible" men. If the neocons had the interests of a foreign power in mind, Cheney and Rummy would see through them. Good point.
The explanation for the war, said Finkelstein, was imperial hubris. After 9/11, our leaders grieved for two minutes, and then thought, What are we going to do with this opportunity? "The ruling elites thought it would be an easy victory."
Mearsheimer answered that the decision was more complex in character. The
neocons "basically see Israeli and U.S. foreign policy as having the
same set of interests." These men surrounded Cheney. Then 9/11 happened; and a guy who had always been against nation-building and had prudently opposed going into
Baghdad in ’91 "flipped his thinking."
I find Mearsheimer far more persuasive. His explanation is
psychologically plausible. It is grotesque or cartoonish for Finkelstein to say that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld grieved for 2 minutes. They may be monsters, but they were staggered and scared–and responsible. It is interesting to me that Finkelstein’s ruling elite are grotesques, but the neocons must be excused of any corrupt motive. Mearsheimer’s understanding of the neocons is more historically and ideologically astute. The conflation of Israel’s interests with U.S. interests is deeply
engrained in neoconservative thinking. Neocons became neocons in some large measure over Israel’s security, and they genuinely don’t see a
difference of interest between our countries. They have gotten away with this confusion for a long time, without anyone calling them on it.
Finkelstein’s good point about Why did anyone drink the neocon koolaid cannot be answered without talking about Jewish inclusion in the Establishment. Finkelstein offers a nostalgic view of American society as controlled by ruling elites that in any case are not Jewish. Mearsheimer doesn’t take him on because to do so would be to raise an "antisemitic canard," and he is already in enough trouble.
But Finkelstein is wrong. No understanding of the Iraq war decision is complete without looking at the composition of the American establishment–and indeed of the religious character of the thinkers who gave us the war. Or to frame it as Tom Friedman did in this wonderful Haaretz piece, the war was planned by 25 guys within a stone’s throw of his office in Washington. Many of those planners were Jews. Jews are now such equal partners in Finkelstein’s ruling elite that a religious concern for Israel has become enmeshed in our policy-making. Too enmeshed; it has hurt the American interest, and hurt Jewish identity, too.
Look at the House Foreign Affairs Committee’s announcement of a hearing next week on policy toward Iran, titled "Between Feckless and Reckless: U.S. Policy Options to Prevent a Nuclear Iran." Sounds pretty hawkish. The hearing is being held by Gary Ackerman and Brad Sherman, both of whom my Almanac of American Politics identifies as Jewish. The two men testifying are Daniel Glaser, a deputy assistant secretary of Treasury, and Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman, a deputy assistant sec’y of State. I’m guessing one or both of those witnesses are Jewish. Yesterday I blogged about the fact that the State Department has now adopted as policy the rightwing Jewish claim that anti-Zionism is antisemitism; and Howard Berman, the formerly liberal chairman of House Foreign Afairs, who has said that Israel was a big reason he went on the committee and who voted for the Iraq debacle, applauds that new order.
As for Cheney, his world is the establishment, and his world before he was v.p. included many empowered Jews. He and his wife both were fellows at the American Enterprise Institute, chaired by the secretive neocon hedge king Bruce Kovner and peopled by the likes of Dore Gold, Richard Perle, David Frum, Michael Rubin–men who completely ignored the Israeli occupation of Arab land as they called for war against the Arab world. When Cheney got in, he hired neocon Jews, including David Wurmser and Scooter Libby. He lavishly toasted neocon Bernard Lewis on his 90th birthday, and in the shock after 9/11, brought Lewis in to explain the Arab world to him.
Finkelstein’s image of the American elite as a whitebread bastion is bunk. The elite includes tons of Jews, many of whom are producing a great deal of wealth that is vital to our economy and institutions. It’s no wonder that Cheney was surrounded by conservative Jews.
The next question is whether these Jews are Jews qua Jews. Aren’t they just public service professionals? Why aren’t they all like Ambassador Kurtzer, Obama’s excellent adviser, who in his new book, on Middle East policy firmly invokes an American interest and says that our Middle East policy should be made in the U.S., not Israel! The answer is that Kurtzer is the exception, and an orthodoxy has governed Jewish opinion and idea-formation. Thanks to Zionism as the crux of Jewish identity, thanks to neoconservatism’s conflation of Israeli and U.S. interests, thanks to the Iraq war and its Jewish advocates repeatedly citing Palestinian suicide attacks as a reason for the U.S. to topple Saddam, thanks to largely-Jewish censorship of those who would speak about Palestinian human rights, thanks in short to good old fashioned religion, Americans have a right to be as skeptical of neocon/neoliberal Jewish engagement with our Middle East policy as they are of evangelical Christians monkeying with gay-rights policy.

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"Look at the House Foreign Affairs Committee's announcement of a hearing next week on policy toward Iran, being held by Gary Ackerman and Brad Sherman, both of whom my Almanac of American Politics identifies as Jewish. The two men testifying are Daniel Glaser, a deputy assistant secretary of Treasury, and Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman, a deputy assistant sec'y of State."
Jews testifying to Jews, in the well-worn ruts of a closed circuit. Which Lobby group sponsored this one — AIPAC; The Israel Project? Meets any reasonable definition of a circle jerk. Same way the "Saddam's WMDs" "intelligence" was produced by Douglas Feith.
This exact same question ["Iraq: A War For The Jews?"] recently came up on Real Jew News in a debate between Mark Weber and Stephen Zunes.
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In the comment section, I made the following point: Sure, Cheney (and perhaps Bush) knew Feith and Wurmser were cooking the books [to frame Iraq for WMD and 9/11] and probably brought them in to do so, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t independently motivated by their Jewish Zionism, as were the thousands of Jewish Zionists in media and government who also helped pave the way for the invasion out of fealty to Israel. It’s not an either/or situation: Some of the liars were motivated by greed and a Pax Americana Empire, others were motivated by their Jewish Zionism, others were motivated by their Christian Zionism. But at least a theoretical argument can be made that Pax Americana is in the American interest; no such argument can be made that Israel is in the American interest, which is absurd on its face (”[the government] of foreign country X is an American interest”— contradiction in terms)…
Haygood and Ed. I really do love you guys because you make no bones about the fact that your out and out anti-semites. In a strange sort of way it's actually refreshing. "Real Jew News", who among the little storm troopers thought that one up?
Does the term anti-Semite mean anything? The average Jew doesn't seem so fond of non-Jews, does that make him an anti-Gentile? Is an anti-Semite worse than an anti-Gentile?
Every effort is being made to subvert the history, demographics, culture and traditions of the United States, but nothing changes the fact that founders of the nation were Protestants from the British Isles. Who knows what will be left when our little Jewish Golden Age is over, but I wouldn't want to be Jewish when that time arrives-that's if Phil is right about the Jewish influence on the nation.
Well Todd it's like this, I would call the IHR and real jew news anti-semitic sites. But hey it's just an opinion. And i have no problem with gentiles, just assholes named Todd
I have no clue what IHR or Real Jew News are. Either way, the terms asshole and anti-Semite really hold no weight.
RE: "…nothing changes the fact that founders of the nation were Protestants from the British Isles."
Yep. Warts and all, who has done more for the human race as a practical matter? "Just some old racist white men." Now, that's some affirmative action by those yet to be held to account. But that's the next century, no?
I absolutely refuse to believe that you found Mearsheimer on that tape "psychologically convincing," Phil. You are supposed to be a JOURNALIST, not just a NY Jewish echo box.