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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hat happened to Jewish Holy Sites and places of worship in lands controlled by the Arabs?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On May 28, 1948 the Arab Legion completed the capture of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem, the site of numerous ancient synagogues and the Western Wall of the Temple, destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. These were and remain the holiest sites in the Jewish religion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem was captured, the destruction, desecration and systematic looting of Jewish sites began and continued. 57 ancient synagogues (the oldest dated to the 13th century), libraries and centers of religious study were ransacked and 12 were totally and deliberately destroyed. Those that remained standing were defaced, used for housing of both people and animals. The city&#039;s foremost Jewish shrine, the Western Wall, became a slum. Appeals were made to the United Nations and in the international community to declare the Old City to be an &#039;open city&#039; and stop this destruction, but there was no response. This condition continued until Jordan lost control of Jerusalem in June 1967.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the Mount of Olives, the Jordanian Arabs removed 38,000 tombstones from the ancient cemetery and used them as paving stones for roads and as construction material in Jordanian Army camps, including use as latrines. When the area was recaptured by Israel in 1967, graves were found open with the bones scattered. Parts of the cemetery were converted into parking lots, a filling station, and an asphalt road was built to cut through it. The Intercontinental Hotel was built at the top of the cemetery. Sadar Khalil, appointed by the Jordanian government as the official caretaker of the cemetery, built his home on the grounds using the stones robbed from graves. In 1967, the press published extensive photos documenting that Jewish gravestones were found in Jordanian Army camps, such as El Azariya, as well as in Palestinian walkways, steps, bathrooms, and pavement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Hurva Synagogue, attributed to Rabbi Moses Ben Nahman (Ramban), was the main synagogue in Jerusalem in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries (and possibly much earlier), until the Ottomans closed it in 1589 because of Muslim incitement. It was burned by Arabs in 1721 (Hurva = destruction in Hebrew), but again rebuilt by Zionists in the 19th century, becoming the most prominent synagogue on the Jerusalem skyline. For that reason, when it was captured by the Arab Legion during the battle for Old Jerusalem in 1948, they dynamited it to show that they controlled the Jewish Quarter. When the Jews in New Jerusalem saw the Hurva burning, they knew that Jewish life in the Quarter had ended (again).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Access to the Holy Sites&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When the 1948 war ended, and negotiations began, the Israeli representatives emphasized regaining access to Jewish Jerusalem. Article VIII of the Israel-Jordan Armistice Agreement, signed on April 3, 1949, called for the establishment of a Special Committee:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;... composed of two representatives of each Party for the purpose of formulating agreed plans&quot; including &quot;free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives.&lt;br /&gt;
Hopes were high that Jews might visit the Western Wall for Passover 1949, but the Jordanians violated the Armistice Agreement. These clauses were never honored. Promises continued to be made, and Glubb Pasha, the British commander of the Arab Legion, pledged that:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jerusalem&#039;s Arab and Jewish populations would be two separate cities with free trade and exchange between each other. The Arabs would be perfectly willing to allow the Jews to have access to their shrines, notably the Wailing Wall, now inside the Arab-held Old City.&lt;br /&gt;
The Jordanian &quot;occupation&quot; of the West Bank was very abusive of the rights of Jews and Christians, or any resident of Israel. Jewish and muslim residents of Israel were not permitted to visit their Holy Places in East Jerusalem. Christians, too, were discriminated against. In 1958, Jordanian legislation required all members of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre to adopt Jordanian citizenship. In 1965, Christian institutions were forbidden to acquire any land or rights in or near Jerusalem. In 1966, Christian schools were compelled to close on Fridays instead of Sundays, customs privileges of Christian religious institutions were abolished. Jerusalem was bisected by barbed wire, concrete barriers and walls. On a number of occasions Jordanian soldiers opened fire on Jewish Jerusalem. In May 1967, the Temple Mount became a military base for the Jordanian National Guard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hat happened to Jewish Holy Sites and places of worship in lands controlled by the Arabs?</p>
<p>On May 28, 1948 the Arab Legion completed the capture of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem, the site of numerous ancient synagogues and the Western Wall of the Temple, destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. These were and remain the holiest sites in the Jewish religion.</p>
<p>After the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem was captured, the destruction, desecration and systematic looting of Jewish sites began and continued. 57 ancient synagogues (the oldest dated to the 13th century), libraries and centers of religious study were ransacked and 12 were totally and deliberately destroyed. Those that remained standing were defaced, used for housing of both people and animals. The city&#39;s foremost Jewish shrine, the Western Wall, became a slum. Appeals were made to the United Nations and in the international community to declare the Old City to be an &#39;open city&#39; and stop this destruction, but there was no response. This condition continued until Jordan lost control of Jerusalem in June 1967.</p>
<p>On the Mount of Olives, the Jordanian Arabs removed 38,000 tombstones from the ancient cemetery and used them as paving stones for roads and as construction material in Jordanian Army camps, including use as latrines. When the area was recaptured by Israel in 1967, graves were found open with the bones scattered. Parts of the cemetery were converted into parking lots, a filling station, and an asphalt road was built to cut through it. The Intercontinental Hotel was built at the top of the cemetery. Sadar Khalil, appointed by the Jordanian government as the official caretaker of the cemetery, built his home on the grounds using the stones robbed from graves. In 1967, the press published extensive photos documenting that Jewish gravestones were found in Jordanian Army camps, such as El Azariya, as well as in Palestinian walkways, steps, bathrooms, and pavement.</p>
<p>The Hurva Synagogue, attributed to Rabbi Moses Ben Nahman (Ramban), was the main synagogue in Jerusalem in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries (and possibly much earlier), until the Ottomans closed it in 1589 because of Muslim incitement. It was burned by Arabs in 1721 (Hurva = destruction in Hebrew), but again rebuilt by Zionists in the 19th century, becoming the most prominent synagogue on the Jerusalem skyline. For that reason, when it was captured by the Arab Legion during the battle for Old Jerusalem in 1948, they dynamited it to show that they controlled the Jewish Quarter. When the Jews in New Jerusalem saw the Hurva burning, they knew that Jewish life in the Quarter had ended (again).</p>
<p>Access to the Holy Sites</p>
<p>When the 1948 war ended, and negotiations began, the Israeli representatives emphasized regaining access to Jewish Jerusalem. Article VIII of the Israel-Jordan Armistice Agreement, signed on April 3, 1949, called for the establishment of a Special Committee:</p>
<p>&#8230; composed of two representatives of each Party for the purpose of formulating agreed plans&quot; including &quot;free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives.<br />
Hopes were high that Jews might visit the Western Wall for Passover 1949, but the Jordanians violated the Armistice Agreement. These clauses were never honored. Promises continued to be made, and Glubb Pasha, the British commander of the Arab Legion, pledged that:</p>
<p>Jerusalem&#39;s Arab and Jewish populations would be two separate cities with free trade and exchange between each other. The Arabs would be perfectly willing to allow the Jews to have access to their shrines, notably the Wailing Wall, now inside the Arab-held Old City.<br />
The Jordanian &quot;occupation&quot; of the West Bank was very abusive of the rights of Jews and Christians, or any resident of Israel. Jewish and muslim residents of Israel were not permitted to visit their Holy Places in East Jerusalem. Christians, too, were discriminated against. In 1958, Jordanian legislation required all members of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre to adopt Jordanian citizenship. In 1965, Christian institutions were forbidden to acquire any land or rights in or near Jerusalem. In 1966, Christian schools were compelled to close on Fridays instead of Sundays, customs privileges of Christian religious institutions were abolished. Jerusalem was bisected by barbed wire, concrete barriers and walls. On a number of occasions Jordanian soldiers opened fire on Jewish Jerusalem. In May 1967, the Temple Mount became a military base for the Jordanian National Guard.</p>
<p>During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor &#8212; despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement &#8212; to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue</p>
<p>Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My Jewish mama done tole me,&lt;br /&gt;
2 wrongs dont make a right. &lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;47 partition plan said Jerusalem, holy to 3 religions, should be an international city...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Jewish mama done tole me,<br />
2 wrongs dont make a right. <br />
The &#39;47 partition plan said Jerusalem, holy to 3 religions, should be an international city&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/in-his-great-ne.html/comment-page-1#comment-61608</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arab holy places used for chicken coops and Jewish tombstones used for common road pavement. Why is the USA supporting either shaky side of this depression? American leaders need to get out from between these Hatfields and McCoys. The more information I get, the more Ron Paul looks like a very wise man. Of course that means I&#039;m useless. No wonder Socrates drank that &lt;br /&gt;
hemlock. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arab holy places used for chicken coops and Jewish tombstones used for common road pavement. Why is the USA supporting either shaky side of this depression? American leaders need to get out from between these Hatfields and McCoys. The more information I get, the more Ron Paul looks like a very wise man. Of course that means I&#39;m useless. No wonder Socrates drank that <br />
hemlock. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not always a case of malicious intent when religious buildings get &#039;adaptively resused.&#039; There&#039;s a former Methodist church on the main street of Warwick, NY which is now a small retail mall. Probably the former members feel queasy about it being turned into a place of commerce. But what else were they going to do with it, when the religious use ceased?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe it comes down to whether you think God lives in a building. Refreshingly, the Church of Christ (the protestant denomination to which Obama belongs) typically uses the formula, &quot;The Church of Christ meets here&quot; on its signs. The underlying philosophy is that the church is the people, not the building.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On a larger scale, obsessing over property leads to the designation of holy cities such as Mecca, Jerusalem and Vatican City, and to the marching of Christian soldiers and Zionist settlers. God ought to break his public silence and declare, &quot;I don&#039;t grant allodial title to NOBODY.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It&#39;s not always a case of malicious intent when religious buildings get &#39;adaptively resused.&#39; There&#39;s a former Methodist church on the main street of Warwick, NY which is now a small retail mall. Probably the former members feel queasy about it being turned into a place of commerce. But what else were they going to do with it, when the religious use ceased?</p>
<p>Maybe it comes down to whether you think God lives in a building. Refreshingly, the Church of Christ (the protestant denomination to which Obama belongs) typically uses the formula, &quot;The Church of Christ meets here&quot; on its signs. The underlying philosophy is that the church is the people, not the building.</p>
<p>On a larger scale, obsessing over property leads to the designation of holy cities such as Mecca, Jerusalem and Vatican City, and to the marching of Christian soldiers and Zionist settlers. God ought to break his public silence and declare, &quot;I don&#39;t grant allodial title to NOBODY.&quot;</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/in-his-great-ne.html/comment-page-1#comment-61610</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does G-D live in a building or the street? What a joke, and sure sign of human failure of imagination. At least the lack of O showed some humility. Zionists have none. Nor Hitler. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re: the title of this post&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bubba was out back sawing and hammering some lumber one morning when the preacher come around. His wife, in bed with a cold, could be heard sniffling and hawking through an open window.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Is that your wife&#039;s coughin&#039;?&quot; the parson asked. &quot;Naw, it&#039;s a chicken coop,&quot; replied Bubba.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Re: the title of this post</p>
<p>Bubba was out back sawing and hammering some lumber one morning when the preacher come around. His wife, in bed with a cold, could be heard sniffling and hawking through an open window.</p>
<p>&quot;Is that your wife&#39;s coughin&#39;?&quot; the parson asked. &quot;Naw, it&#39;s a chicken coop,&quot; replied Bubba.</p>
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		<title>By: scorpio</title>
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		<dc:creator>scorpio</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;have to agree. all conquering countries/religions/ethnicities repurpose the dispossessed. early christians (once in power) always built their cathedrals on the site of Roman religious sites, particularly those dedicated to Mars, the god of war. i think they should all keep it up, until the last religious nut has nowhere to go.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have to agree. all conquering countries/religions/ethnicities repurpose the dispossessed. early christians (once in power) always built their cathedrals on the site of Roman religious sites, particularly those dedicated to Mars, the god of war. i think they should all keep it up, until the last religious nut has nowhere to go.</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Considering that Judaism is rooted in the Middle East, and is much more ancient than Christianity and Islam, the Jewish claim to Jerusalem is clearly strongest.  Christianity and Islam have no real claim to Jerusalem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From Daniel Pipes, PhD, Harvard:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Jerusalem has a unique importance to Jews. It has a unique place in Jewish law and a pervasive presence in the Jewish religion. Jews pray toward Jerusalem, mourn the destruction of their Temple there, and wishfully repeat the phrase &quot;Next year in Jerusalem.&quot; It is the only capital of the Jewish state, ancient or modern.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In contrast, Jerusalem has a distinctly secondary place for Moslems. It is not once mentioned in the Koran or in the liturgy. The Prophet Mohammed never went to the city, nor did he have ties to it. Jerusalem never has served as the capital of any polity, and has never been an Islamic cultural center.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There has never been a state named Palestine or a Palestinian people.  They are Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here&#039;s what he said:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    &quot;The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct &quot;Palestinian people&quot; to oppose Zionism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that Judaism is rooted in the Middle East, and is much more ancient than Christianity and Islam, the Jewish claim to Jerusalem is clearly strongest.  Christianity and Islam have no real claim to Jerusalem.</p>
<p>From Daniel Pipes, PhD, Harvard:</p>
<p>&quot;Jerusalem has a unique importance to Jews. It has a unique place in Jewish law and a pervasive presence in the Jewish religion. Jews pray toward Jerusalem, mourn the destruction of their Temple there, and wishfully repeat the phrase &quot;Next year in Jerusalem.&quot; It is the only capital of the Jewish state, ancient or modern.</p>
<p>In contrast, Jerusalem has a distinctly secondary place for Moslems. It is not once mentioned in the Koran or in the liturgy. The Prophet Mohammed never went to the city, nor did he have ties to it. Jerusalem never has served as the capital of any polity, and has never been an Islamic cultural center.&quot;</p>
<p>There has never been a state named Palestine or a Palestinian people.  They are Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, etc.<br />
Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here&#39;s what he said:</p>
<p>    &quot;The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct &quot;Palestinian people&quot; to oppose Zionism.</p>
<p>    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.&quot;</p>
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