Comments on: My Jewish Problem: We’re Not Superior http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60672 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60672 <p>.</p> <p>' "But what is the Jewish century?" his Jewish dinner partner asked. He and I said in unison, "The last one." I truly think it's over. '</p> <p>Touché! And the corollary: "But what is the American century?" -- "The last one."</p> <p>I truly think it's over.</p> .

' "But what is the Jewish century?" his Jewish dinner partner asked. He and I said in unison, "The last one." I truly think it's over. '

Touché! And the corollary: "But what is the American century?" — "The last one."

I truly think it's over.

]]> By: peters http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60673 peters Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60673 <p>Yes, I think the philosemitism was more rampant two or more years ago. My experience now is the opposite. More people are aware of the feelings of superiority that Weiss is admitting to. Jews have been more outspoken about their superiority and cultural dominance. And there is a general tone of Jewish humor, Jewish issues, Jewish angst, that permeates the media and general culture. Gentiles are resenting it. NYTimes has no pretense of being other than a Jewish newspaper. The New Yorker profiles are mostly Jews and frequently billionaire Jews. <br /> I am afraid that when Jews get wind of this they will cry 'anti-semitism'. They shouldn't. It's a wake-up call to join humanity in general, to moderate their ethic of victimhood and specialness and apartness. <br /> Blacks I feel are joining in with multicultural America, there is much less awkardness and normalness. The thing is, I think people always thought Jews were joining in, so the invitation was extended, but alas we find out it isn't true. They were only pretending, they're really holding back from our society, their loyalty only for themselves, their generosity reserved for their own group ,</p> Yes, I think the philosemitism was more rampant two or more years ago. My experience now is the opposite. More people are aware of the feelings of superiority that Weiss is admitting to. Jews have been more outspoken about their superiority and cultural dominance. And there is a general tone of Jewish humor, Jewish issues, Jewish angst, that permeates the media and general culture. Gentiles are resenting it. NYTimes has no pretense of being other than a Jewish newspaper. The New Yorker profiles are mostly Jews and frequently billionaire Jews.
I am afraid that when Jews get wind of this they will cry 'anti-semitism'. They shouldn't. It's a wake-up call to join humanity in general, to moderate their ethic of victimhood and specialness and apartness.
Blacks I feel are joining in with multicultural America, there is much less awkardness and normalness. The thing is, I think people always thought Jews were joining in, so the invitation was extended, but alas we find out it isn't true. They were only pretending, they're really holding back from our society, their loyalty only for themselves, their generosity reserved for their own group ,

]]> By: peters http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60674 peters Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60674 <p>Yes, I think the philosemitism was more rampant two or more years ago. My experience now is the opposite. More people are aware of the feelings of superiority that Weiss is admitting to. Jews have been more outspoken about their superiority and cultural dominance. And there is a general tone of Jewish humor, Jewish issues, Jewish angst, that permeates the media and general culture. Gentiles are resenting it. NYTimes has no pretense of being other than a Jewish newspaper. The New Yorker profiles are mostly Jews and frequently billionaire Jews. <br /> I am afraid that when Jews get wind of this they will cry 'anti-semitism'. They shouldn't. It's a wake-up call to join humanity in general, to moderate their ethic of victimhood and specialness and apartness. <br /> Blacks I feel are joining in with multicultural America, there is much less awkardness and normalness. The thing is, I think people always thought Jews were joining in, so the invitation was extended, but alas we find out it isn't true. They were only pretending, they're really holding back from our society, their loyalty only for themselves, their generosity reserved for their own group ,</p> Yes, I think the philosemitism was more rampant two or more years ago. My experience now is the opposite. More people are aware of the feelings of superiority that Weiss is admitting to. Jews have been more outspoken about their superiority and cultural dominance. And there is a general tone of Jewish humor, Jewish issues, Jewish angst, that permeates the media and general culture. Gentiles are resenting it. NYTimes has no pretense of being other than a Jewish newspaper. The New Yorker profiles are mostly Jews and frequently billionaire Jews.
I am afraid that when Jews get wind of this they will cry 'anti-semitism'. They shouldn't. It's a wake-up call to join humanity in general, to moderate their ethic of victimhood and specialness and apartness.
Blacks I feel are joining in with multicultural America, there is much less awkardness and normalness. The thing is, I think people always thought Jews were joining in, so the invitation was extended, but alas we find out it isn't true. They were only pretending, they're really holding back from our society, their loyalty only for themselves, their generosity reserved for their own group ,

]]> By: the Sword of Gideon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60675 the Sword of Gideon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60675 <p>For an avowed assimilationist, married out, Christmas celebrating, avowed opponent of the existence of Israel kind of guy, Phil Weiss always seems to know exactly what the Jewish-gentile ratio is of any situation he is in. Who is Jewish, who isn't. </p> For an avowed assimilationist, married out, Christmas celebrating, avowed opponent of the existence of Israel kind of guy, Phil Weiss always seems to know exactly what the Jewish-gentile ratio is of any situation he is in. Who is Jewish, who isn't.

]]> By: Ed http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60676 Ed Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60676 <p>Interesting you should mention the Slezkine book in conjunction with notions of Jewish supremacy. That book is helpful in documenting the decisive Jewish role in Bolshevik Communism and its murder of millions of Russian Christians and Soviet dissidents. From a Kevin Macdonald review:</p> <p>‘During the 1930s, Slezkine reports, the secret police, now known as the NKVD, “was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions”, with 42 of the 111 top officials being Jewish. At this time 12 of the 20 NKVD directorates were headed by ethnic Jews, including those in charge of State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement (deportation). The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror. They were, in Slezkine’s remarkable phrase, “Stalin’s willing executioners”. Slezkine appears to take a certain pride in the drama of the role of the Jews in Russia during these years.’<br /> http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm<br /> In fact, although they won’t admit it, many Jewish ideologues are proud of the role they played in Communism’s murder of millions of Christians to this day, just as many were proud of the role they played in Neoconservatism’s murder of a million or so Muslims -- until the Iraq war went bad and gave Judaism a PR black eye. Now they are running for the exits, saying the claim that Neoconservatism is a Jewish movement is an anti-Semitic trope. They said the same thing about claims of Jewish Marxism. </p> <p>I’m not really sure why Jewish ideologues are so self-satisfied and consider themselves superior when, in the end, their murderous schemes are always uncovered and disclosed, and the Jewish collective is punished as a result. They apparently view the mass of average Jews with the same disdain they view the goy.</p> Interesting you should mention the Slezkine book in conjunction with notions of Jewish supremacy. That book is helpful in documenting the decisive Jewish role in Bolshevik Communism and its murder of millions of Russian Christians and Soviet dissidents. From a Kevin Macdonald review:

‘During the 1930s, Slezkine reports, the secret police, now known as the NKVD, “was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions”, with 42 of the 111 top officials being Jewish. At this time 12 of the 20 NKVD directorates were headed by ethnic Jews, including those in charge of State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement (deportation). The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror. They were, in Slezkine’s remarkable phrase, “Stalin’s willing executioners”. Slezkine appears to take a certain pride in the drama of the role of the Jews in Russia during these years.’
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In fact, although they won’t admit it, many Jewish ideologues are proud of the role they played in Communism’s murder of millions of Christians to this day, just as many were proud of the role they played in Neoconservatism’s murder of a million or so Muslims — until the Iraq war went bad and gave Judaism a PR black eye. Now they are running for the exits, saying the claim that Neoconservatism is a Jewish movement is an anti-Semitic trope. They said the same thing about claims of Jewish Marxism.

I’m not really sure why Jewish ideologues are so self-satisfied and consider themselves superior when, in the end, their murderous schemes are always uncovered and disclosed, and the Jewish collective is punished as a result. They apparently view the mass of average Jews with the same disdain they view the goy.

]]> By: Scott http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60677 Scott Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60677 <p>I played golf with some Koreans yesterday, assimilated immigrants. One was active in the Democratic Party. At lunch, after the golf talk was done, we talked politics. Within fifteen minutes, they steered the conversation to Iraq, neocons, the role or Jews in guiding American foreign policy. You would never have this conversation with a white American you didn't know very well. But it comes up after one round of golf with educated professional Asian immigrants, who were strangers to me until yesterday. </p> I played golf with some Koreans yesterday, assimilated immigrants. One was active in the Democratic Party. At lunch, after the golf talk was done, we talked politics. Within fifteen minutes, they steered the conversation to Iraq, neocons, the role or Jews in guiding American foreign policy. You would never have this conversation with a white American you didn't know very well. But it comes up after one round of golf with educated professional Asian immigrants, who were strangers to me until yesterday.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60678 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60678 <p>SOG, why do you say Phil is an avowed opponent of Israel? Because he chooses to live with a Gentile? Is this your automatic reduction? I'd like to think you know there is more than just talking to yourself and your amen blood corner. </p> <p>There's been a lot of harm done the Jewish people through the ages; and, perhaps, as often as not, simply becaue they were born Jews. Your apparent version of all history is that it has never worked the other way.</p> <p>The test of historical virtue is power. Do you really think it's such a one-way street? It never has been. </p> <p>Look at the ethnic, religious, and socio-economic makeup of those dying and maimed in the Middle East, from all current pertinent national government players. </p> <p>How can you ignore what you see? </p> SOG, why do you say Phil is an avowed opponent of Israel? Because he chooses to live with a Gentile? Is this your automatic reduction? I'd like to think you know there is more than just talking to yourself and your amen blood corner.

There's been a lot of harm done the Jewish people through the ages; and, perhaps, as often as not, simply becaue they were born Jews. Your apparent version of all history is that it has never worked the other way.

The test of historical virtue is power. Do you really think it's such a one-way street? It never has been.

Look at the ethnic, religious, and socio-economic makeup of those dying and maimed in the Middle East, from all current pertinent national government players.

How can you ignore what you see?

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60679 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60679 <p>"As Penn said, this transformation of the Jewish place in society is utterly new in Jewish history. "</p> <p>Penn is wrong. The overuse of the invocation "unprecedented" is unprecedented. </p> <p>Even the Passover story is the story of rising within a meritocracy, changing to suspicion on the part of the powers that be, and ultimately persecution.</p> <p>Its happened in many European courts, middle eastern courts, etc.</p> <p>Did you read the reports of US administration and state department's censure of Gillerman's comments?</p> <p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978126.html</p> "As Penn said, this transformation of the Jewish place in society is utterly new in Jewish history. "

Penn is wrong. The overuse of the invocation "unprecedented" is unprecedented.

Even the Passover story is the story of rising within a meritocracy, changing to suspicion on the part of the powers that be, and ultimately persecution.

Its happened in many European courts, middle eastern courts, etc.

Did you read the reports of US administration and state department's censure of Gillerman's comments?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978126.html

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60680 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60680 <p>.</p> <p>While the U.S. mass media shun Mearsheimer and Walt, a columnist in Haaretz accuses AIPAC not merely of "dual loyalty," but of "institutionalizing near treason." Toast 'em, Avraham Burg!</p> <p>------------</p> <p>[Jonathan Pollard] and his handlers lived and plotted in the twilight zone of the complex loyalty of the Jews of the United States. Their basic premise was and still is that all Jews everywhere have dual loyalty - the loyalty of an American citizen to his homeland, and a much deeper, national-spiritual loyalty to the Jewish people and the State of Israel. </p> <p>For years, Israel officially fostered this snarled loyalty. It entangled and became entangled, plotted and spied. AIPAC -- the Jewish lobby in Washington -- is the bluntest conceptualization of institutionalizing near treason."</p> <p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978118.html</p> <p>------------</p> <p>Man ... all I got to say is "WOOHOO."</p> <p>http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~kyl210/graphics/woohoo.gif</p> .

While the U.S. mass media shun Mearsheimer and Walt, a columnist in Haaretz accuses AIPAC not merely of "dual loyalty," but of "institutionalizing near treason." Toast 'em, Avraham Burg!

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[Jonathan Pollard] and his handlers lived and plotted in the twilight zone of the complex loyalty of the Jews of the United States. Their basic premise was and still is that all Jews everywhere have dual loyalty – the loyalty of an American citizen to his homeland, and a much deeper, national-spiritual loyalty to the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

For years, Israel officially fostered this snarled loyalty. It entangled and became entangled, plotted and spied. AIPAC — the Jewish lobby in Washington — is the bluntest conceptualization of institutionalizing near treason."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978118.html

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Man … all I got to say is "WOOHOO."

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~kyl210/graphics/woohoo.gif

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/my-jewish-probl.html/comment-page-1#comment-60681 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/27/my-jewish-probl.html#comment-60681 <p>Sorry about the repitition of the Haaretz reference. </p> <p>I see that Phil also referred to it, and I had earlier as well.</p> Sorry about the repitition of the Haaretz reference.

I see that Phil also referred to it, and I had earlier as well.

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