Comments on: ‘The Nation’ Is Afraid People Will Find Out Obama’s a Progressive http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:08:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: the Sword of Gideon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61707 the Sword of Gideon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61707 <p>Hell hath frozen over. I actually agree with this one. But let me bounce this one off the pig Weiss fan base. An example of the honest thing to do with the whole Wright-church story would have been to say that this is my church, this is the minister that I love and I like his sermons, I like his outlook, and that's why I've been there 20 yrs. But he didn't do that did he. It's possible, just possible, that he's just another politician, not the messiah.</p> Hell hath frozen over. I actually agree with this one. But let me bounce this one off the pig Weiss fan base. An example of the honest thing to do with the whole Wright-church story would have been to say that this is my church, this is the minister that I love and I like his sermons, I like his outlook, and that's why I've been there 20 yrs. But he didn't do that did he. It's possible, just possible, that he's just another politician, not the messiah.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61708 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61708 <p>One consequence of describing Obama as primarily a progressive and on Israel/Palestine/Iraq/Iran in particular, rather than as a mediator, is that those that are attracted to Obama AS a mediator, might renounce their support.</p> <p>Which ends are you pursuing, and why?</p> <p>I know a number of former Edwards' supporters, that at the time of my state's primary, described Clinton as "OBVIOUSLY" more progressive than Obama. That his position of "bringing us together, making a place for all at the table" was a position that likely would result in corporate dominance and more of the same, resulting from his naivete.</p> One consequence of describing Obama as primarily a progressive and on Israel/Palestine/Iraq/Iran in particular, rather than as a mediator, is that those that are attracted to Obama AS a mediator, might renounce their support.

Which ends are you pursuing, and why?

I know a number of former Edwards' supporters, that at the time of my state's primary, described Clinton as "OBVIOUSLY" more progressive than Obama. That his position of "bringing us together, making a place for all at the table" was a position that likely would result in corporate dominance and more of the same, resulting from his naivete.

]]> By: Dingleberry of Gideon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61709 Dingleberry of Gideon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61709 <p>Thas right SOG. He's just another pol. He is already surrounded by the remoras and leeches representing a country that didn't have people but now do and the name of which now escapes me.</p> Thas right SOG. He's just another pol. He is already surrounded by the remoras and leeches representing a country that didn't have people but now do and the name of which now escapes me.

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61710 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61710 <p>Sword of Gideon: Interesting comment. So you are a fan of the American Thinker line of thought? What do you think about their occasional lapse into racism?</p> <p>Is there any chance to convince you to stop insulting Philip? But the pig is a interesting choice, historically. What made you choose it?</p> <p>********************************************</p> <p>Philip, I agree with Richard on this issue.</p> <p>The topic has to be handled with utter care.</p> <p>I don't see the left having the resources to counter the rights propaganda machine that could be raised by a careless handling of the subject. It could be the most dirty campaign, you have ever witnessed. The mindset is shaped by centuries of media treatment ...</p> <p>But hmmm? It would be interesting to see the results of a study of the reactions of average Joe to the arguments of Lasky vs. Mondoweiss and Magnes Zionist or Richard's Tikun Olam.</p> <p>shabbat shalom</p> Sword of Gideon: Interesting comment. So you are a fan of the American Thinker line of thought? What do you think about their occasional lapse into racism?

Is there any chance to convince you to stop insulting Philip? But the pig is a interesting choice, historically. What made you choose it?

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Philip, I agree with Richard on this issue.

The topic has to be handled with utter care.

I don't see the left having the resources to counter the rights propaganda machine that could be raised by a careless handling of the subject. It could be the most dirty campaign, you have ever witnessed. The mindset is shaped by centuries of media treatment …

But hmmm? It would be interesting to see the results of a study of the reactions of average Joe to the arguments of Lasky vs. Mondoweiss and Magnes Zionist or Richard's Tikun Olam.

shabbat shalom

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61711 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61711 <p>Sword of Gideon: Interesting comment. So you are a fan of the American Thinker line of thought? What do you think about their occasional lapse into racism?</p> <p>Is there any chance to convince you to stop insulting Philip? But the pig is a interesting choice, historically. What made you choose it?</p> <p>********************************************</p> <p>Philip, I agree with Richard on this issue.</p> <p>The topic has to be handled with utter care.</p> <p>I don't see the left having the resources to counter the rights propaganda machine that could be raised by a careless handling of the subject. It could be the most dirty campaign, you have ever witnessed. The mindset is shaped by centuries of media treatment ...</p> <p>But hmmm? It would be interesting to see the results of a study of the reactions of average Joe to the arguments of Lasky vs. Mondoweiss and Magnes Zionist or Richard's Tikun Olam.</p> <p>shabbat shalom</p> Sword of Gideon: Interesting comment. So you are a fan of the American Thinker line of thought? What do you think about their occasional lapse into racism?

Is there any chance to convince you to stop insulting Philip? But the pig is a interesting choice, historically. What made you choose it?

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Philip, I agree with Richard on this issue.

The topic has to be handled with utter care.

I don't see the left having the resources to counter the rights propaganda machine that could be raised by a careless handling of the subject. It could be the most dirty campaign, you have ever witnessed. The mindset is shaped by centuries of media treatment …

But hmmm? It would be interesting to see the results of a study of the reactions of average Joe to the arguments of Lasky vs. Mondoweiss and Magnes Zionist or Richard's Tikun Olam.

shabbat shalom

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61712 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61712 <p>Leander,<br /> Richard Silverstein is the blogger of Tikkun Olam. A different person, though with many similar views.</p> <p>Just to clarify. </p> <p>It would be a mistake for me to take his credibility and use it for my own embellishment.<br /> </p> Leander,
Richard Silverstein is the blogger of Tikkun Olam. A different person, though with many similar views.

Just to clarify.

It would be a mistake for me to take his credibility and use it for my own embellishment.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61713 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61713 <p>All good questions raised above in this thread. Obama has his nuanced and stylish eyes on the prize. If he gets it, I doubt he knows at the moment what he will do with it. He's left enough little red flags to go around. Which to look at? If his campaign<br /> approach morphs into his actual governing approach, he might actually be a real mediator. Seems at the very least, a gamble on him instead of Hillary or McCain will change the ruts, among the three. </p> All good questions raised above in this thread. Obama has his nuanced and stylish eyes on the prize. If he gets it, I doubt he knows at the moment what he will do with it. He's left enough little red flags to go around. Which to look at? If his campaign
approach morphs into his actual governing approach, he might actually be a real mediator. Seems at the very least, a gamble on him instead of Hillary or McCain will change the ruts, among the three.

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61714 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61714 <p>But his wife worries me. Yet not as much as Hillary or McCain, so there you go.</p> But his wife worries me. Yet not as much as Hillary or McCain, so there you go.

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61715 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61715 <p>"Leander,<br /> Richard Silverstein is the blogger of Tikkun Olam." </p> <p>Yes, Richard,<br /> I should have used Richard Witty first and Richard Silverstein second. I know Richard S.'s blog. I might even read his blog slightly longer than Phil's.</p> "Leander,
Richard Silverstein is the blogger of Tikkun Olam."

Yes, Richard,
I should have used Richard Witty first and Richard Silverstein second. I know Richard S.'s blog. I might even read his blog slightly longer than Phil's.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/04/once-again-a-na.html/comment-page-1#comment-61716 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/11/once-again-a-na.html#comment-61716 <p>The mediation path usually results in more change than the ruts, and with consent rather than animosity, and therefore more permanent.</p> The mediation path usually results in more change than the ruts, and with consent rather than animosity, and therefore more permanent.

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