In other class environments, I usually see a blend of your approach and your wife's, usually depending on the character of the individual in question. When it comes to I-P conflict, most ignore it. Earnest folks on this issue are not welcome.

Organized Judaism made a huge philosophical, moral and strategic error by demonizing Christians. Christianity is really the only force that is ever going to unite a multi-racial, multi-cultural, polarized society. Left-liberals dream that the State can accomplish this by buying everybody off and coercing them into behaving with the threat of force, but, as the Soviet Union demonstrated, this ends at the gulag, and bankruptcy.

Organized Jewry has tried to address this by promoting and allying with Christianity’s evil twin, “Christian” Zionism,” but this is only making matters worse, as Christian Zionism is a freak amalgamation that attracts the worst elements of Christianity.

Again, the worst of both religions are rallying around Zionism, and Zionism is trying to pass this off as "Western civilization."

Zionism shouldn’t be confused with a gasp of Western civilization, which will be stronger than it has been in decades once the truly nasty Zionists have bled away.

“Birthright Israel” for gentiles indeed — send the “Christian” Zionists there as well — just don’t bring them back.

An analogy may be the debate strict constructionist versus living law constitutionalists. The former is said to not bend with needed change, and at times there's some truth to that, and the latter is said to have no brakes except as applied at the whim of the ruling class and always mainly in its own best interest.

Immigration, multiple ethnicities and multiculturlism haven't done much positive for the average American in blue or red states. All of the above may make ethnic-types and immigrants feel more comfortable, but each has done little more than erode the interests of the majority.

I find talk of an Obama effect being postracial or positive for all as naive or dishonest. Just look at Obama's own words and the words of his associates. If talk of punishing noecons and Israel-firsters sticks out to Jews, the words of Obama and his associates should raise eyebrows to the majority of americans.

So the left, Marxist and neocon Jews have all advocated a merry interracial union; and the only ones not invited into this happy-together were white males?

But the problem is that this left-to-extreme-left-to-neocon-Jewish-union never realized that this happy multi-racial multi-cultural happiness can only be accomplished under the cross, has in fact always been a purely Christian meme that cannot be cloned?

And now organized Jewry aware that only Christianity can bring about this multi-racial happy utopia manipulated a couple of Christians into a Christian Zionist Armageddon cult and together with the left-extreme-left-&-neocon-ex-Trotzkist-Jews they are trying to get the "toothpaste back into the tube"?

While the white males are still lonely sitting on the fence waiting for them all to leave so the ultimate Christian nation can rise to its final Christian purity and glory …

In case I misunderstood something: I am only here English to learn, tomorrow I start Kentucky Steak house.

Charles, I interpret this as: “We have no time to sort out right from wrong; in the modern world, we have to act — and act fast — or we’re dust!!!!”

This is hysterical, woman-like nonsense. Panic. This is the stuff of Jewish/Neocon hysteria. The “call at 3 A.M.,” or the “ticking time bomb” scenario. “The sky is falling!!!”

People, calm down.

The same laws of common sense and that applied 2,000 years ago apply today: treat decent people decently, and they will respond in kind.

Those indecent people who treat decent people indecently are the ones trying to whip up hysteria — for fear of suffering the consequences of their malevolence. If we are hysterical about the 'other,' we have no time or desire to study the malevolent within. How convenient for the malign.

Why thank you, LeaNder. I couldn't have put it better myself. But it's more than "a couple" of Christian Zionists, and no, they are not permanently allied with the Left, which despises all religions, but Christianity most, and Judaism and Islam less than Christianity. But indeed, Judaized “Christians,” Leftists, and organized Jewry are perfectly capable of conspiring to annihilate Christianity. Haven’t you ever heard of the Soviet Union? Didn’t the Communists murder millions of Christians? Wasn’t Stalin, a convert to Jewish Bolshevism, educated in a Christian seminary? Substitute Communism for Zionism, and you will understand what Judaized “Christian” Zionists and Leftists are capable of doing to Christians.

It sure was a pleasure, Ed. ;)

I am still wondering though, if our dear Pearlman/sword does really like to push "the toothpaste back into the tube" together with Phil, of all human beings out there? Methinks he may protest??? But strictly I would locate Phil in the first group and Pearlman somehow in the last:

"left-liberal Jews, Marxist Jews and Neocon Jews"

But then, what do I know.

This is hysterical, woman-like nonsense. Panic. This is the stuff of Jewish/Neocon hysteria. The “call at 3 A.M.,” or the “ticking time bomb” scenario. “The sky is falling!!!”–Ed

"Exactly. I could not agree more. This implemented view is why we are in the pickle we are in.

Allow me to repeat myself:

The problem with preemption as currently practiced is nobody's home to effectively monitor the special interests cherry picking
and stove-piping pretextual justification for whatever action they
wish to do "in the best interest of the people."

I guess I was not clear enough. Sorry. Christian just law theory does speak to preemption. When it originated, it was easier to see attack troops mustering on the horizon. Although info transmission was slower, the eye could see those troops clearly.
Today, despite fast transmission of data, who saw those 9/11 hijackers? They wore no uniforms.

BushCo & the neocons rely on the fact of asymetric warfare not easily traced to any uniformed state enabler. They rely on this reality to instill fear into the American masses. Bush-McCain-Hillary-AIPAC count on this.

How to pragmatically keep alive just war theory in this context is very difficult. For starters, it requires talking to our perceived enemies, not just to chat, and not just behind the back door, but in public and to directly feel them out, something that has not been on the table with, e.g., Iran.

Is it appeasement and giving unwarranted and dangerous prestige to talk in public to Iran, for example, or is it better to just rattle sabers, require as a precondition to talking so at all, that Iran, or Hamas or Hezbollah concede that they have no right to any moral indignation at all?

I know you agree. Again, sorry if I am not being clear. I was trying to get at the smoke and mirrors going on by our politicians–not in long term American interests, or even Israel's.

And by even talking to, for example, Hamas, they reduce the likelihood of a "terrorist" attack, or of terrorist saber rattling, which is not in their cynical interests. When the politicians operate only on behalf of a narrow elite and against the best interests of the majority, that is called an oligarchy, which is what I believe we are now living in.