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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we are going to have a rational realist foreign policy, shouldn&#039;t we try to reach out to the Iranians as they seem to have tried to reach out to us in Afghanistan and with personal mail to the President.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The realist Nixon-Kissinger policy dumped the ROC for better relations with the PRC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From strictly strategic interests dumping Israel for better relations with Iran and perhaps eventually an alliance makes a lot of sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, geostrategically the USA often worked with the Shah of Iran because of common interests in the Gulf region.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those common interests have not changed even if Khamenei is the head of the state.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to have a rational realist foreign policy, shouldn&#39;t we try to reach out to the Iranians as they seem to have tried to reach out to us in Afghanistan and with personal mail to the President.</p>
<p>The realist Nixon-Kissinger policy dumped the ROC for better relations with the PRC.</p>
<p>From strictly strategic interests dumping Israel for better relations with Iran and perhaps eventually an alliance makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>In fact, geostrategically the USA often worked with the Shah of Iran because of common interests in the Gulf region.</p>
<p>Those common interests have not changed even if Khamenei is the head of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dunkin Donuts Pulls Ad Featuring Rachael Ray In A Scarf That Looks Too Arab&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/dunkin-donuts-pulls-ad-fe_n_103859.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This kind of pressure isn&#039;t the work of the Italian-American community. I for one am tired of it.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/dunkin-donuts-pulls-ad-fe_n_103859.html</p>
<p>This kind of pressure isn&#39;t the work of the Italian-American community. I for one am tired of it.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;can we live with a nuclear Iran?&lt;br /&gt;
i&#039;d say, what the hell! why not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;we already live with many nuclear powers and as long as the nuclear powersource is used for generating power for constructive purposes, i&#039;d once again say, what the hell! why not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;now using nuclear power as a means to intimidate really ought to be frowned upon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the world needs to look forward and define peace in the present.&lt;br /&gt;
utopias are for dreamers with a control fixation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can we live with a nuclear Iran?<br />
i&#39;d say, what the hell! why not?</p>
<p>we already live with many nuclear powers and as long as the nuclear powersource is used for generating power for constructive purposes, i&#39;d once again say, what the hell! why not?</p>
<p>now using nuclear power as a means to intimidate really ought to be frowned upon.</p>
<p>the world needs to look forward and define peace in the present.<br />
utopias are for dreamers with a control fixation.</p></p>
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		<title>By: sword of gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sword of gideon</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Minor problem with that little scenario. The middle east is about to embark on a nuclear arms race. You have the region with most of the worlds oil reserves on a hair trigger nuclear alert. But wait I forgot, Obama will gather all the leaders around the camp fire and sing kumbaya, and all wil lbe well.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor problem with that little scenario. The middle east is about to embark on a nuclear arms race. You have the region with most of the worlds oil reserves on a hair trigger nuclear alert. But wait I forgot, Obama will gather all the leaders around the camp fire and sing kumbaya, and all wil lbe well.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wouldnt it be the worlds sickest joke to get Barack Obama elected president and attack the rest of the middle east under his presidency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the wilsonian candidate.&lt;br /&gt;
the sequel to the manchurian candidate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;these guys seem to do just the opposite of what they promise as a rule not an exception.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldnt it be the worlds sickest joke to get Barack Obama elected president and attack the rest of the middle east under his presidency.</p>
<p>the wilsonian candidate.<br />
the sequel to the manchurian candidate.</p>
<p>these guys seem to do just the opposite of what they promise as a rule not an exception.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as long as you see your brother as your enemy there will be war.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;shalom aleichem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;some problems are worth solving.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as you see your brother as your enemy there will be war.</p>
<p>shalom aleichem.</p>
<p>some problems are worth solving.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest II</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We forget that the Russian people hated Stalin.&lt;br /&gt;
There is no doubt that ordinary Iranian hates the fascist Iranian Junta.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This fact does not bother Phil.&lt;br /&gt;
The Junta was elected fairly in Phil&#039;s journalistic view.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where are all the human shields to defend the suffering Iranian from the Junta and economical thieves of Tehran?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We forget that the Russian people hated Stalin.<br />
There is no doubt that ordinary Iranian hates the fascist Iranian Junta.</p>
<p>This fact does not bother Phil.<br />
The Junta was elected fairly in Phil&#39;s journalistic view.</p>
<p>Where are all the human shields to defend the suffering Iranian from the Junta and economical thieves of Tehran?</p>
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		<title>By: Sagredo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagredo</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Etzioni&#039;s case would be stronger if he discussed instances of Iranian foreign policy that were &quot;profoundly irrational&quot; in not following Iran&#039;s self-interest.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etzioni&#39;s case would be stronger if he discussed instances of Iranian foreign policy that were &quot;profoundly irrational&quot; in not following Iran&#39;s self-interest.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The nuclear bomb horse has left the barn.  When 3rd world countries like India and Pakistan have nukes, then any nation can have nukes.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People still poop in the streets in India and Pakistan  ... it&#039;s a global economy, gotta take the good with the bad. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nuclear bomb horse has left the barn.  When 3rd world countries like India and Pakistan have nukes, then any nation can have nukes.  </p>
<p>People still poop in the streets in India and Pakistan  &#8230; it&#39;s a global economy, gotta take the good with the bad. </p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From Amitai Etzioni:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I am one of those who holds that the opposite is true; that many states--Iran, among others--have leaders who are very capable of acting in ways that are profoundly irrational, hence posing a serious threat both to other countries as well as to their own. We now have a new report that says volumes on the limits of rationality of heads of state.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;George Piro, the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam Hussein over several months, has just revealed what he learned about the Iraqi dictator&#039;s mindset leading up to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq. It turns out that Saddam did not expect that the U.S. would respond to his WMD posturing with a full-scale ground invasion. Saddam &quot;told me&quot; Piro says, that &quot;he initially miscalculated ... President Bush&#039;s intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 ... a four-day aerial attack...He survived that one and he was willing to accept that type of attack.&quot; This was not merely some minor tactical &quot;misunderstanding&quot; or &quot;miscalculation&quot; on Saddam&#039;s part; it turned Iraq into an occupied land, caused hundreds of thousands of casualties, a regime change, and, ultimately, his execution. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;(One reason Saddam opened up to this rather low-ranking agent was that he believed that the agent was a direct emissary from President Bush. This suggests how gullible even heads of state can be -- not exactly what we&#039;d consider rational.)&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who are Americans (or in this case a Zionist academic) to call Iranian leaders irrational?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The USA maintains a racist Jewish state in the ME despite US best interests.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what if Saddam opened up to Piro? That was Piro&#039;s job. If I interrogated Etzioni for a few months under the same conditions Saddam experienced, Etzioni would be convinced by the later sessions that I was a direct emissary from God.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Amitai Etzioni:</p>
<p>&quot;I am one of those who holds that the opposite is true; that many states&#8211;Iran, among others&#8211;have leaders who are very capable of acting in ways that are profoundly irrational, hence posing a serious threat both to other countries as well as to their own. We now have a new report that says volumes on the limits of rationality of heads of state.</p>
<p>&quot;George Piro, the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam Hussein over several months, has just revealed what he learned about the Iraqi dictator&#39;s mindset leading up to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq. It turns out that Saddam did not expect that the U.S. would respond to his WMD posturing with a full-scale ground invasion. Saddam &quot;told me&quot; Piro says, that &quot;he initially miscalculated &#8230; President Bush&#39;s intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 &#8230; a four-day aerial attack&#8230;He survived that one and he was willing to accept that type of attack.&quot; This was not merely some minor tactical &quot;misunderstanding&quot; or &quot;miscalculation&quot; on Saddam&#39;s part; it turned Iraq into an occupied land, caused hundreds of thousands of casualties, a regime change, and, ultimately, his execution. </p>
<p>&quot;(One reason Saddam opened up to this rather low-ranking agent was that he believed that the agent was a direct emissary from President Bush. This suggests how gullible even heads of state can be &#8212; not exactly what we&#39;d consider rational.)&quot;</p>
<p>Who are Americans (or in this case a Zionist academic) to call Iranian leaders irrational?</p>
<p>The USA maintains a racist Jewish state in the ME despite US best interests.</p>
<p>So what if Saddam opened up to Piro? That was Piro&#39;s job. If I interrogated Etzioni for a few months under the same conditions Saddam experienced, Etzioni would be convinced by the later sessions that I was a direct emissary from God.</p>
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