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	<title>Comments on: Jeffrey Goldberg Says American Politicians Can Say &#8216;Whatever They Want About Israel&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59453</link>
		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;So long as you say you love Israel,  you can say whatever you want about Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So as long as you say you love Israel, you can say every single Jewish settler must be immediately removed from in and around East Jerusalem?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;So long as you say you love Israel,  you can say whatever you want about Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>So as long as you say you love Israel, you can say every single Jewish settler must be immediately removed from in and around East Jerusalem?</p>
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		<title>By: hlmeankin</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59454</link>
		<dc:creator>hlmeankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And they call it a Democracy?&lt;br /&gt;
Putting aside just who speaks for the Jews,&lt;br /&gt;
why does an ethnic group that represents 2+%&lt;br /&gt;
of the population set policies for the other 97+%? Especially when said policies can mean war for the nation, and very possibly for the world with all the death and destruction that will follow?&lt;br /&gt;
Why is a conflict between Iran and Israel,and even between Israel and the Palestinians determine the fate of the American people...&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me that Bush and all those who support his embrace of this disgusting situation are going down the road of treason,if they aren&#039;t already there.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they call it a Democracy?<br />
Putting aside just who speaks for the Jews,<br />
why does an ethnic group that represents 2+%<br />
of the population set policies for the other 97+%? Especially when said policies can mean war for the nation, and very possibly for the world with all the death and destruction that will follow?<br />
Why is a conflict between Iran and Israel,and even between Israel and the Palestinians determine the fate of the American people&#8230;<br />
It seems to me that Bush and all those who support his embrace of this disgusting situation are going down the road of treason,if they aren&#39;t already there.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as long as they say the right thing as approved by israel/aipac.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;here&#039;s John J. Mearsheimer, co-author, with Stephen Walt, of The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, interviewed by Macclean&#039;s magazine:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Imagine a situation with a Palestinian state where there&#039;s now the state of Israel. Instead of Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories, you have Jews living in the Occupied Territories, with the Palestinian state taking land away from the Jews, treating them in brutal ways and denying them a state of their own. There would be a huge outcry in the West, especially in the United States and Canada. We would go to enormous lengths to put pressure on the Palestinian state to stop exploiting and brutalizing the Jews, and to allow them to have a state of their own. But here we have a situation where the roles are reversed, and the United States and Canada support Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When it comes to the subject of Israel, a strange double-standard is applied by policymakers and pundits alike. Another example: If the citizens of any other country harassed and assaulted an American envoy – as happened in Hebron, Israel, the other day – you can bet we&#039;d all have heard about it by now, from irate American officials and the news media. In this case, not a word.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as they say the right thing as approved by israel/aipac.</p>
<p>here&#39;s John J. Mearsheimer, co-author, with Stephen Walt, of The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, interviewed by Macclean&#39;s magazine:</p>
<p>&quot;Imagine a situation with a Palestinian state where there&#39;s now the state of Israel. Instead of Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories, you have Jews living in the Occupied Territories, with the Palestinian state taking land away from the Jews, treating them in brutal ways and denying them a state of their own. There would be a huge outcry in the West, especially in the United States and Canada. We would go to enormous lengths to put pressure on the Palestinian state to stop exploiting and brutalizing the Jews, and to allow them to have a state of their own. But here we have a situation where the roles are reversed, and the United States and Canada support Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>When it comes to the subject of Israel, a strange double-standard is applied by policymakers and pundits alike. Another example: If the citizens of any other country harassed and assaulted an American envoy – as happened in Hebron, Israel, the other day – you can bet we&#39;d all have heard about it by now, from irate American officials and the news media. In this case, not a word.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59456</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i hate the fact that these bastards are here in america living as americans and intimidating our elected politicians into obeisance to israel over the united states constitution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jewsagainstzionism.com&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rabbi Klaussner&lt;br /&gt;
After the war, a Zionist “religious” leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 :&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine...For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word &quot;force&quot;, I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the Jews in Poland, and in the history of the &#039;Exodus&#039;... To apply this programme we must, instead of providing &#039;displaced persons&#039; with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them...At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the Jews.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate the fact that these bastards are here in america living as americans and intimidating our elected politicians into obeisance to israel over the united states constitution.</p>
<p>jewsagainstzionism.com</p>
<p>Rabbi Klaussner<br />
After the war, a Zionist “religious” leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 :<br />
&quot;I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine&#8230;For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word &quot;force&quot;, I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the Jews in Poland, and in the history of the &#39;Exodus&#39;&#8230; To apply this programme we must, instead of providing &#39;displaced persons&#39; with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them&#8230;At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the Jews.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: liberal white boy</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59457</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal white boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Call an American President a bigot? I challenge the boil on the UN&#039;s ass, the Israeli Ambassodor to a dual.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Liberal White Boy Challenges Apartheid Israeli U.N. Ambassador To Dual &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/05/liberal-white-boy-challenges-apartheid.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call an American President a bigot? I challenge the boil on the UN&#39;s ass, the Israeli Ambassodor to a dual.</p>
<p>Liberal White Boy Challenges Apartheid Israeli U.N. Ambassador To Dual </p>
<p>http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/05/liberal-white-boy-challenges-apartheid.html</p>
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		<title>By: sword of gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sword of gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well liberal white boy, in regards to Carter. Like the saying goes, &quot;if the kaffiyeh fits...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well liberal white boy, in regards to Carter. Like the saying goes, &quot;if the kaffiyeh fits&#8230;&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59459</link>
		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(from Digby)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chris Matthews&#039; brutal takedown of some robotic wingnut yesterday was notable simply for how easy it was. Apparently asking a conservative to define the words (&quot;appeaser&quot;) coming out of their mouth is a question on par with the final round of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, what the wingnut is referring to above is the President&#039;s comments yesterday in Israel, trying to stick it to the Democrats by calling them Nazi-appeasers. He used the artful phrase &quot;an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ in discussing the times in 1939, aware but unwilling to admit that he was alluding to Republican isolationist Senator William Borah of Idaho. What he appeared blissfully unaware of was the collaboration of his own grandfather, Prescott Bush, who reaped financial reward for him and his family (including his son Bush 41 and grandson Bush 43) through sitting on boards of companies who did business with the Nazis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(By the way, this is the biggest gift George Bush could have given the Obama campaign, so much so that I almost believe it had to have been staged.)&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
---&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That last comment certainly struck me as odd, and the writer did not elaborate.  Anyone else think this was a &quot;gift&quot; to Obama, unintentional or no?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(from Digby)</p>
<p>Chris Matthews&#39; brutal takedown of some robotic wingnut yesterday was notable simply for how easy it was. Apparently asking a conservative to define the words (&quot;appeaser&quot;) coming out of their mouth is a question on par with the final round of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.</p>
<p>Of course, what the wingnut is referring to above is the President&#39;s comments yesterday in Israel, trying to stick it to the Democrats by calling them Nazi-appeasers. He used the artful phrase &quot;an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ in discussing the times in 1939, aware but unwilling to admit that he was alluding to Republican isolationist Senator William Borah of Idaho. What he appeared blissfully unaware of was the collaboration of his own grandfather, Prescott Bush, who reaped financial reward for him and his family (including his son Bush 41 and grandson Bush 43) through sitting on boards of companies who did business with the Nazis.</p>
<p>(By the way, this is the biggest gift George Bush could have given the Obama campaign, so much so that I almost believe it had to have been staged.)&quot;<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>That last comment certainly struck me as odd, and the writer did not elaborate.  Anyone else think this was a &quot;gift&quot; to Obama, unintentional or no?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/jeffrey-goldber.html/comment-page-1#comment-59460</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Krauthammer was on tv yesterday saying it will hurt Obama to the extent people think Obama&#039;s foreign policy is to ASAP sit down with terrorists unconditionally, thereby pumping up the terrorist&#039;s prestige and giving him cred; but it will hurt McCain if the incident is taken as revealing McCain as a Bush clone, advocating no-talk policy, which has been an utter failure with Iran, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At one point they showed a recent clip of McCain talking exactly like Bush, but then showed a clip some years old, showing McCain saying we do have to talk with Hamas--the latter was &lt;br /&gt;
part of an original which had been cut out when inititally broadcast...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krauthammer was on tv yesterday saying it will hurt Obama to the extent people think Obama&#39;s foreign policy is to ASAP sit down with terrorists unconditionally, thereby pumping up the terrorist&#39;s prestige and giving him cred; but it will hurt McCain if the incident is taken as revealing McCain as a Bush clone, advocating no-talk policy, which has been an utter failure with Iran, etc.</p>
<p>At one point they showed a recent clip of McCain talking exactly like Bush, but then showed a clip some years old, showing McCain saying we do have to talk with Hamas&#8211;the latter was <br />
part of an original which had been cut out when inititally broadcast&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bill payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s hope brzezinski is in a bit of trouble.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In July 1980, Zbigniew Brzezinski LINK of the United States met Jordan&#039;s King Hussein [LINK] in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini. King Hussein was Saddam&#039;s closest confidant in the Arab world, and served as an intermediary during the planning.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=nojeh+nsa+lawsuit&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;cheers&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/fbifoia/fbifoia.htm#towayne&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#39;s hope brzezinski is in a bit of trouble.</p>
<p>&quot;In July 1980, Zbigniew Brzezinski LINK of the United States met Jordan&#39;s King Hussein [LINK] in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini. King Hussein was Saddam&#39;s closest confidant in the Arab world, and served as an intermediary during the planning.&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=nojeh+nsa+lawsuit</p>
<p>cheers</p>
<p>http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/fbifoia/fbifoia.htm#towayne</p>
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